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M$ to license FAT
by hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ＠public.gmane.org 07 Dec '03

07 Dec '03

On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 18:38:42 -0500 aacton <aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Fri, 2003-12-05 at 18:21, James Knott wrote: > > The only place I use FAT, is on systems that also run Windows. > > I don't think it's hard drives that will be the problem, it's that most > digital cameras, USB key drives, and MP3 players use FAT, so it will > just inflate the prices of these items. I'm sure there are free > alternatives that are just as good, but do you think the maker of a $600 > camera will care? > > Austin Austin, I care. The flash cards for my digital camera and my USB keychain device are readable by all the computers I have access to. This is achieved by the FAT filesystem they use. I am not aware of any other file system that has this kind of portabilty. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howard-42qnO8ePF9cV+D8aMU/kSg at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Hard drive recovery
by robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy＠public.gmane.org 07 Dec '03

07 Dec '03

On Sat, 6 Dec 2003, Peter Pieczora wrote: > I've got a problem with one of the hard drives, which unfortunately is not > under warranty anymore. It was RMA'ed at Hitachi and worked fine for last 4 > months. It was used on G4 workstation with OS X loaded. > Yeasterday, drive started to give strange noise which would indicate actuator > arm problem (drive is spinning on power up). I've tried to run dft fitness > test but motherboard is not able to detect drive. > I'm wonderring if any of you could help me find best way to recover, (if > possible) all of the data. Sounds like you got a couple of good suggestions for recovery. At this point I really want to remind everyone to backup. If the data is important enough that you are worried about whether recovery will be possible when the drive fails, then it is important enough to backup. Of course when & how to backup are decisions specific to the situation. If you can stand to lose a week's data then weekly backups might be fine, but if you need to be able to recover as much as possible then nightly backups becomes a must[1]. Some important points on backing up: - Filesystem mirroring won't replace a good backup scheme. It won't even come close. - A backup that isn't off site isn't a backup at all. [1] You can even go further of course. Some companies run continuous backups of databases and the like. Our company (http://www.opentrend.net) takes backups of our job/client and accounting databases every few hours and shifts them offsite using a secure encrypted channel. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, zzbrock at uqconnect.net Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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MandrakeMove bootable CD
by jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/＠public.gmane.org 07 Dec '03

07 Dec '03

Jason Shein wrote: > Has anyone on the list succesfully run the MandrakeMove cd? I have tried > on a dozen different PC's with no success. > > Kernel panic every time. > Found out the the initial release of the rc was broken. The new md5sum is 111682eae2c454b4ca780119f63f8ad4 MandrakeMove-rc-i586.iso the broken one is c8167916ecc6bc72a2191a5db122c124 MandrakeMove-rc-i586.iso -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/(a)public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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M$ to license FAT
by cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg＠public.gmane.org 07 Dec '03

07 Dec '03

> Le 5 D??cembre 2003 18:21, James Knott a ??crit : > > cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > >>As the title says. Impact on Linux ? > > > > > > If the claims are true, that there are "live" patents still in place on > > > FAT, then it is conceivable that there might be patent infringments, or > > > at least places where MSFT could _claim_ that there are. > > > > > > Of course, FAT is pretty much derivative of CP/M filesystems, so it is > > > more than likely that any conceivable patents would have to have been > > > filed in the '80s, and thus would have, at most, 3 more years to run. > > > > The only place I use FAT, is on systems that also run Windows. So, if > > those partitions are created by Windows and just happen to be accessed > > by Linux, would that be a patent violation? > > I heard that the swap filesystem is build from FAT. Is that true? No, certainly not. Whomever said that was speaking ignorant nonsense. A swap partition has a much more minimal structure than FAT offers. -- let name="cbbrowne" and tld="ntlug.org" in name ^ "@" ^ tld;; http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/x.html "Utter masochists can inspect the handbook in the main Computer Laboratory library and admire its collection of references to the primary literature and for its price (last seen as comfortably over #100)." -- Arthur Norman -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Hard drive recovery
by dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 07 Dec '03

07 Dec '03

You can also try using g4u http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/ for Linux or Mondo http://www.mondorescue.org/ which are open source and work well. Dan -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of Sidney Shapiro Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 6:57 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: RE: [TLUG]: Hard drive recovery > Thanks, but I'd like to point out that bios doesn't detect hardrive on the > boot whatsoever, so copying data over cannot happen. Further more Im not > sure about current linux support for HFS+ file system. > > Peter Peter, try using the demo copy of Active Disk Image, and see if it works. I had a similar situation, where I could not get the drive to detect, and this program got it working, and allowed me to copy the entire HD off, sector by sector over a couple of days. This program really saved my bacon. http://www.lsoft.net/products.html Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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MandrakeMove bootable CD
by jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/＠public.gmane.org 07 Dec '03

07 Dec '03

Has anyone on the list succesfully run the MandrakeMove cd? I have tried on a dozen different PC's with no success. Kernel panic every time. -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/(a)public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SCO, MPAA, RIAA jointly sue entire world
by dougish-MwcKTmeKVNQ＠public.gmane.org 07 Dec '03

07 Dec '03

On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 08:26:38 -0500, Joe wrote: > >Just a bit 'o humour for your Sunday mornin' > >http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/12/04/1419246 > >-- >JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 >Registered Linux user #282046 >Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >He who controls others may be powerful, but he who has mastered himself is >mightier still.-- Lao Tsu In a semi-related vein, try this link for a little spam/scam humour: http://j-walk.com/other/conf/index.htm Doug -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SCO, MPAA, RIAA jointly sue entire world
by joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 07 Dec '03

07 Dec '03

On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 09:07:03 -0500 dougish-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org wrote: > In a semi-related vein, try this link for a little spam/scam humour: > > http://j-walk.com/other/conf/index.htm "Workshop: Grammatical errors: What's the optimal number?" ROTFLMAO! Thanks...I needed that. -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Behind every great fortune is a crime." -- Balzac -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SOT: shitfs in spam trends and topics
by tenger-ew0EfhANLmVEfu+5ix1nRw＠public.gmane.org 07 Dec '03

07 Dec '03

At 00:58 2003-12-02 -0500, Byron Sonne <blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org> wrote: > Is there anyone out there that has paid attention to the trends in spam, > in particular topics? Uh-oh. In the continuing battle against spam, I just lost a point by actually opening one. Here is how I go sucked in: the spam arrived on a mailing list for an open-source software project, and the subject carried the word "bug-automake". Did the spammer just figure that a lot of people on the internet are programmers? Or, did a program pick this term out of previous messages on the list? If the latter technique becomes widespread, it could almost destroy the value of unmoderated lists. Horrible thought! Terry. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SCO, MPAA, RIAA jointly sue entire world
by joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 07 Dec '03

07 Dec '03

Just a bit 'o humour for your Sunday mornin' http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/12/04/1419246 -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ He who controls others may be powerful, but he who has mastered himself is mightier still.-- Lao Tsu -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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