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Where to buy CDs for linux distributions?
by lists-jiQtrEI3vUxWk0Htik3J/w＠public.gmane.org 30 Dec '03

30 Dec '03

Hi! Do you know where I can buy CDs created from downloadable linux distributions? Yes, I know I can just download and write it myself, but if the CDs can be cheap enough, the convenience may worth the difference. Thanks! -- Stephan Paul Arif Sahari Wibowo _____ _____ _____ _____ /____ /____/ /____/ /____ _____/ / / / _____/ http://www.arifsaha.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Iptables logging under Debian
by mike-DlQxw/23Tq2aMJb+Lgu22Q＠public.gmane.org 30 Dec '03

30 Dec '03

Walter Dnes wrote: > I do want to log them, but only to file, not to > console. I'm using log-level 6, like so... > > [0:0] -A UNSOLICITED -j LOG --log-prefix "UNSOLICITED:" --log-level 6 > [0:0] -A UNSOLICITED -j DROP > > The manpage is totally useless. I presume I have to use a different > log-level, but which one ? > You need to turn down the kernel's logging to the console. This is done by the kernel.printk sysctl or by writing to the four values to /proc/sys/kernel/printk : echo "5 4 1 5" > /proc/sys/kernel/printk Where the numbers signify: (first) - The current minimum loglevel to actually show on the console (minimum really meaning maximum in that it will print loglevels 1-5 in the example above). (second) - the default level of kernel printks that don't specify a loglevel (third) - the minimum level to log to the console when syslog disables console logging. (fourth) - the minimum level to log to the console when syslog reenables console logging If you still wanted some other 'info' messages to show up on the console, then you could manually configure them via /etc/syslog.conf (or however your next-gen logger is configured). hth, Mike Waychison

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Debian installation
by amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w＠public.gmane.org 30 Dec '03

30 Dec '03

On Tue, Dec 30, 2003 at 12:18:00PM -0500, Anton Markov wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > Hello guys, > I want to try out Debian (while I am on break from school), but I am > running into one problem after another. > First of all, what's happening with the Debian servers? I know they shut > down after the breakin, but it seems like they are not back up yet. The > servers for the Net Install CDs are down. I was able to find an older > copy (sometime from early October), but when I install it, it complains > about not being able to load "aclib" during the "install the base > system" part of setup. people.debian.org has been up for some time now, and this link certainly works: http://people.debian.org/~dwhedon/boot-floppies/ That's the third net install link from http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ . Just grab one of the mini-cd's and you're halfway installed right there. Did you check all the links on the net install page? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Debian installation
by pjc-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 30 Dec '03

30 Dec '03

Sorry to double post but you could also download the floppies, rescue,root,drivers (I think) and then do a net install by picking a server of choice and update to sid or sarge....just a thought.... On Tue, 2003-12-30 at 13:32, Paul Croft wrote: > Have you tried one of the other servers? (secondary mirrors) you may > have some luck http://www.debian.org/mirror/list.....I noticed a sunsite > server at U of alberta, have had pretty good luck with that in the past. > > On Tue, 2003-12-30 at 12:18, Anton Markov wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hello guys, > > > > I want to try out Debian (while I am on break from school), but I am > > running into one problem after another. > > > > First of all, what's happening with the Debian servers? I know they shut > > down after the breakin, but it seems like they are not back up yet. The > > servers for the Net Install CDs are down. I was able to find an older > > copy (sometime from early October), but when I install it, it complains > > about not being able to load "aclib" during the "install the base > > system" part of setup. > > > > Next I wanted to try downloading the full images with Jigdo (thinking it > > may fix the problem), but the Jigdo homepage is down. I really don't > > want to download the full CD images directly (I want to try out the > > latest unstable or testing system), so any suggestions on how I can get > > net install or Jigdo to work would be most helpful. > > > > Thanks. > > > > - -- > > Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> > > > > GnuPG Key fingerprint = > > 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 > > > > "The difference between insanity and genius is measured only by success." > > - Some bad guy from 007 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > > > iD8DBQE/8bNRRreNkzrRRLQRAqXkAKCPHTNZPmYerUkLAgysksriTp0GTACePDMk > > H5vA9jpRefj+79qUadHQz+k= > > =dCGJ > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Debian installation
by pjc-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 30 Dec '03

30 Dec '03

Have you tried one of the other servers? (secondary mirrors) you may have some luck http://www.debian.org/mirror/list.....I noticed a sunsite server at U of alberta, have had pretty good luck with that in the past. On Tue, 2003-12-30 at 12:18, Anton Markov wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello guys, > > I want to try out Debian (while I am on break from school), but I am > running into one problem after another. > > First of all, what's happening with the Debian servers? I know they shut > down after the breakin, but it seems like they are not back up yet. The > servers for the Net Install CDs are down. I was able to find an older > copy (sometime from early October), but when I install it, it complains > about not being able to load "aclib" during the "install the base > system" part of setup. > > Next I wanted to try downloading the full images with Jigdo (thinking it > may fix the problem), but the Jigdo homepage is down. I really don't > want to download the full CD images directly (I want to try out the > latest unstable or testing system), so any suggestions on how I can get > net install or Jigdo to work would be most helpful. > > Thanks. > > - -- > Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> > > GnuPG Key fingerprint = > 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 > > "The difference between insanity and genius is measured only by success." > - Some bad guy from 007 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQE/8bNRRreNkzrRRLQRAqXkAKCPHTNZPmYerUkLAgysksriTp0GTACePDMk > H5vA9jpRefj+79qUadHQz+k= > =dCGJ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Debian installation
by anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 30 Dec '03

30 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello guys, I want to try out Debian (while I am on break from school), but I am running into one problem after another. First of all, what's happening with the Debian servers? I know they shut down after the breakin, but it seems like they are not back up yet. The servers for the Net Install CDs are down. I was able to find an older copy (sometime from early October), but when I install it, it complains about not being able to load "aclib" during the "install the base system" part of setup. Next I wanted to try downloading the full images with Jigdo (thinking it may fix the problem), but the Jigdo homepage is down. I really don't want to download the full CD images directly (I want to try out the latest unstable or testing system), so any suggestions on how I can get net install or Jigdo to work would be most helpful. Thanks. - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 "The difference between insanity and genius is measured only by success." - Some bad guy from 007 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/8bNRRreNkzrRRLQRAqXkAKCPHTNZPmYerUkLAgysksriTp0GTACePDMk H5vA9jpRefj+79qUadHQz+k= =dCGJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Formatting in C++ (fwd)
by jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg＠public.gmane.org 30 Dec '03

30 Dec '03

> > learning a language like Perl, Python, Ruby, Lisp, or Scheme will be a lot > > more fun. > > Depends on your definition of fun :) Many people swear by ObjectiveC, calling it "object oriented C done right". I know the syntax, but haven't used it enough to be familiar with it's ups and downs. But if you're looking into learning an object oriented style language with a C background, ObjC might be the thing to look into. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Formatting in C++ (fwd)
by jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE＠public.gmane.org 30 Dec '03

30 Dec '03

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003, Tim Writer wrote: > learning a language like Perl, Python, Ruby, Lisp, or Scheme will be a lot > more fun. Depends on your definition of fun :) Decide what style of programming you prefer, and what types of applications you prefer to write, and pick a language based on that. For pure fun, with no real-world usefulness whatsoever, try learning intercal or brainfuck (I did not come up with that name). JV -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Formatting in C++ (fwd)
by tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 30 Dec '03

30 Dec '03

John Wildberger <wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org> writes: > On December 29, 2003 01:37 pm, Tim Writer wrote: > > > By now, you should be convinced that porting the original program from C to > > C++ yielded no benefits whatsoever at the cost of additional complexity, > > portability problems, and clumsiness. Note, I'm not saying that's true for > > every program but this particular program was not a good candidate. > > I think you are missing a point here. I t was never my intention to port the > program from c to c++ for the purpose of improving the program. It was solely > a learning experience and as such it served its purpose very well. I learned > how to apply C99 standards and after some struggling I even managed to use > the proper formatting tools in C++. And hopefully you learned that this type of program isn't a good candidate for translation to C++. :-) > The program itself is rather useless and can now be discarded. Yep. > C++ is not the preferred programming language for most Linux aficionados. Agreed, although it's an important one for Linux as KDE is written in C++. > They prefere standard C instead. The kernel does not have a single part > written in C++. However, there is a lot of potential in C++, and anyone > interested to write programs for his/hers use will find it very useful and > powerful. To reap the full benefit it is necessary to get familiar with its > syntax and structure. Yes, but it's important to choose examples that benefit from C++; otherwise, you'll just get frustrated. Afterall, the syntax is mostly compatible with C and you only break new ground when you get into features like classes and templates. You won't learn a lot from a more or less mechanical translation of a procedural C program to C++. Of course, as a new C++ user, you might not yet be aware of the kinds of programs which benefit from C++. > Extra complexity is introduced for portability reason. Unfortunately, C++ has not lived up to its promise of portability. The language is so complex that few environments implement the same subset and its often difficult to move a C++ program from one compiler to another on the same platform, let alone from one platform to another. > If you should not care for portability you can make things a lot > simpler. e.g use the simple types like int, char, float etc instead of the > C99 types. The C99 types exist to assist with portability. Clearly, programmers should avoid dealing with exact size types but some programs, such as your example, require them. Using "int16_t" when you need a 16 bit quantity is much more portable than using "short" and assuming its 16 bits. If you're worried a given platform won't have the C99 headers, you can always include a copy with your source code (with appropriate #ifdefs etc. to handle different platforms). > But as always, it is good to know the later forms, so that you can at least > read programs written by other people. Agreed. Unfortunately, C++ is so large and has changed so much since its inception many people use more or less disjoint subsets. If you're learning C++ for fun, consider another language instead, unless perhaps you're planning to do some KDE development. C++ can be incredibly frustrating; I know from bitter experience. If you don't already know them, learning a language like Perl, Python, Ruby, Lisp, or Scheme will be a lot more fun. -- tim writer <tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org> starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Where to buy CDs for linux distributions?
by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 30 Dec '03

30 Dec '03

Clive DaSilva wrote: > Try www.cheapbytes.com > > Clive > If you order from there, get a bunch of Linux stickers! ;-) http://cart.cheapbytes.com/cgi-bin/cart/1000010108.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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