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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA＠public.gmane.org 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 12:14:38AM -0500, JoeHill wrote: > On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:07:00 -0500 William Park > <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > Nobody forced Real to go into business. Who knows, maybe, Real is > > under pressure to justify their failure, and are trying to deflect > > attention away from their own incompetence and inadequacy. > > What incompetence? What inadequacy? Do you have any actual evidence, > or is this just more fascist diarrhea? LOL! - over-estimating market potential to sell stocks. - inability to generate revenue from actual sales. - buying too many BMWs and having too much tan. - reckless disregard for proper management practice. - hiring too many MBAs. - hiring too few programmers. - failure to merchandize RealPlayer to manufacturers and content providers/creators. - failure to bring about a buyout offer from Microsoft. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:07:00 -0500 William Park <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> wrote: > Nobody forced Real to go into business. Who knows, maybe, Real is under > pressure to justify their failure, and are trying to deflect attention > away from their own incompetence and inadequacy. What incompetence? What inadequacy? Do you have any actual evidence, or is this just more fascist diarrhea? LOL! -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up."-- Rush Limbaugh, drug abuser -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:49:23 -0500 William Park <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> wrote: > RealNetwork is like after-market car radio company that is suing GM > because GM has the arrogance to put radio in all GM cars, thereby > shutting out after-market radio companies. Not quite. One can choose to buy any number of other models of car, with or without a radio. This comparison is not valid. > When will these commie diarrhoea end? Well, it ain't exactly "commie", there, Willy, it's Capitalism but following certain rules of fair play; it won't end 'til Microsoft starts playing by those rules; and calling someone's argument "commie diarrhoea" just makes you sound like some throwback to Joseph McArthy. Grow up. -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding." -- John Kenneth Galbraith -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA＠public.gmane.org 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 11:42:45PM -0500, JoeHill wrote: > Seriously, though, when did Real have a *chance* to compete? They > don't have the opportunity to bundle their software with an OS, as MS > does (despite the fact they've been told *not* to do this for several > years now). Nobody forced Real to go into business. Who knows, maybe, Real is under pressure to justify their failure, and are trying to deflect attention away from their own incompetence and inadequacy. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA＠public.gmane.org 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 11:26:38PM -0500, DanG wrote: > Somehow when a company owns 98% of the desktop OS market and leverages > that to distribute "free" software as a bundle with their OSes to take > out competition, I hardly call that a level playing field. Do you > remember the browser wars with Netscape and the numerous other > companies who formed technology partnerships and got swallowed up? Netscape never had intention of going retail or competing with Microsoft. Their goal was stock price. > I think these antitrust suits looks good on Microsoft and it's > monopoly practices. What they did to all those competitors is either > buy them out Microsoft bought, because the other side was selling. > or bundle them out or hide programming interfaces to > competitors because they had the financial resources and monopoly to > do so. Windows is owned Microsoft, not Microsoft's competitors. > I hope Real and the numerous states that are still filing > anti-trust suits in the US get a good whack of cash. We all know Bill > has enough for everyone, if he can give SCO cash then I say everyone > hold your hands out. :-) RealNetwork is like after-market car radio company that is suing GM because GM has the arrogance to put radio in all GM cars, thereby shutting out after-market radio companies. When will these commie diarrhoea end? -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:26:38 -0500 "DanG" <dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org> wrote: > to distribute "free" software as a bundle with their OSes Oh, but see, it's not called "software" anymore, it's called "features" or "enhancements" ;-) It's like, a total "XPerience", d00d. -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "If the Americans go in and overthrow Saddam Hussein and it's clean, he has nothing, I will apologize to the nation, and I will not trust the Bush Administration again, all right?"-- Bill O'Reilly, March 18, 2003 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:10:45 -0500 William Park <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> wrote: > Cry babies... RealNetworks lost out in competition. Oh, William, yer so cute. >From all the available evidence, "Microsoft" and "competition" have never met, though, strangely enough, MS likes to proclaim its dedication to this concept whenever someone threatens its monopoly ;-) Seriously, though, when did Real have a *chance* to compete? They don't have the opportunity to bundle their software with an OS, as MS does (despite the fact they've been told *not* to do this for several years now). IANAL, but the legal precedent is certainly there. The EU, the US DOJ, and several US states have all declared MS an illegal monopoly. Real is losing because it was impossible to compete, not because they were ineffective at doing so. -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone."-- John Maynard Keynes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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High-Availability
by drew-vnkfHpbZfesgsBAKwltoeQ＠public.gmane.org 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

LVS + keepalived will solve the problem you described below. What are your scalability needs / availability needs that you require such a heavy duty solution? What I would suggest is that unless you really do need very high performance and scalability, simply go with a pair of servers and use VRRP (supported under keepalived) to provide a redundant IP. Then mirror data between master and slave filesystems using either CODA or whatever other approach suits you. This is not true HA, but should be sufficient for most needs. Drew 86% of respondents agree: Reply-to munging is ignorant and rude. Madison Kelly wrote: > Thank you for the leads! > > Madison > > DanG wrote: > >> LVS is a very good software package that is constantly under >> development and >> use. linux-ha.org works with LVS collaboratively. >> http://oscar.openclustergroup.org/tiki-index.php OSCAR is another open >> source project for cluster builds you should look at. If you want an >> easy >> cluster to setup and administer I would look at ClusterKnoppix which is >> based on the Knoppix liveCD with OpenMosix clustering integrated. This >> should make for a pretty easy install/setup >> http://bofh.be/clusterknoppix/ >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of Madison >> Kelly >> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 1:56 PM >> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >> Subject: [TLUG]: High-Availability >> >> Hi all, >> >> I am working on developing a small cluster of servers and I was (am) >> looking at LVS (Linux Virtual Server) and it -seems-- to be able to do >> exactly what I want. That is; create a server cluster transparent to the >> user for hosting mail, web, file serving and LAN authentication. >> >> Why I am posting though is that most of the pages off of >> http://linux-ha.org seem to be a few years out. Am I missing any more >> modern >> options, by chance? Does anyone have any general comments or >> suggestions for >> what I am trying to do? >> >> Thanks!! >> >> Madison > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

Somehow when a company owns 98% of the desktop OS market and leverages that to distribute "free" software as a bundle with their OSes to take out competition, I hardly call that a level playing field. Do you remember the browser wars with Netscape and the numerous other companies who formed technology partnerships and got swallowed up? I think these antitrust suits looks good on Microsoft and it's monopoly practices. What they did to all those competitors is either buy them out or bundle them out or hide programming interfaces to competitors because they had the financial resources and monopoly to do so. I hope Real and the numerous states that are still filing anti-trust suits in the US get a good whack of cash. We all know Bill has enough for everyone, if he can give SCO cash then I say everyone hold your hands out. :-) -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of William Park Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:11 PM To: TLUG Subject: Re: [TLUG]: When will the persecution of MS *end*?! On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 08:22:23PM -0500, JoeHill wrote: > > "Microsoft Corp. was hit Thursday with yet another antitrust lawsuit, > this one accusing the software giant of illegally monopolizing the > growing field of digital music and video. > > RealNetworks Inc. said Microsoft illegally tied its Windows Media > Player software with copies of the ubiquitous Windows operating > system, whether Windows users want Microsoft's player or not." > > Link: > > http://www.salon.com/tech/wire/2003/12/18/microsoft/index.html Cry babies... RealNetworks lost out in competition. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA＠public.gmane.org 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 08:22:23PM -0500, JoeHill wrote: > > "Microsoft Corp. was hit Thursday with yet another antitrust lawsuit, > this one accusing the software giant of illegally monopolizing the > growing field of digital music and video. > > RealNetworks Inc. said Microsoft illegally tied its Windows Media > Player software with copies of the ubiquitous Windows operating > system, whether Windows users want Microsoft's player or not." > > Link: > > http://www.salon.com/tech/wire/2003/12/18/microsoft/index.html Cry babies... RealNetworks lost out in competition. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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