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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

William Park wrote: > On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 11:26:38PM -0500, DanG wrote: > >>Somehow when a company owns 98% of the desktop OS market and leverages >>that to distribute "free" software as a bundle with their OSes to take >>out competition, I hardly call that a level playing field. Do you >>remember the browser wars with Netscape and the numerous other >>companies who formed technology partnerships and got swallowed up? > > > Netscape never had intention of going retail or competing with > Microsoft. Their goal was stock price. Years ago, Netscape was giving away the browser and selling servers. Sort of like a certain razor company. > > >>I think these antitrust suits looks good on Microsoft and it's >>monopoly practices. What they did to all those competitors is either >>buy them out > > > Microsoft bought, because the other side was selling. > > >>or bundle them out or hide programming interfaces to >>competitors because they had the financial resources and monopoly to >>do so. > > > Windows is owned Microsoft, not Microsoft's competitors. > > >>I hope Real and the numerous states that are still filing >>anti-trust suits in the US get a good whack of cash. We all know Bill >>has enough for everyone, if he can give SCO cash then I say everyone >>hold your hands out. :-) > > > RealNetwork is like after-market car radio company that is suing GM > because GM has the arrogance to put radio in all GM cars, thereby > shutting out after-market radio companies. Actually, that matter did go to court and the auto makers lost. > > When will these commie diarrhoea end? > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

William Park wrote: > > Cry babies... RealNetworks lost out in competition. > Suppose you were in the trailer hitch business and GM decided to put their own hitch on every car, whether the customer wanted one or not. Would you have lost out to competion? Several years ago, there was a similar situation regarding car radios. The car makers were sued & lost. MS has also run into similar problems in the big court case, a few years ago. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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anti-spam spam...
by joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

Oh this is rich, this one made it through and I'm glad it did. Maybe it's just me but it had me nearly wetting myself: "Hi, We have noticed your email inbox has been getting more junk email lately, You have been chosen to check out this new windows compatiable software solution we have been working on that clears out 99% of the spam email in your inbox." 1. You *would* notice that, being a spammer, no? 2. Would the remaining 1% be...you? 3. I'd be much more confident in your product if your sales team knew how to spell "compatible". 4. I could clear 100% of the spam in my mailbox if I had a list of known spammers, a steady-cam-mounted minigun, and 8 million rounds of ammo. -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "In this possibly terminal phase of human existence, democracy and freedom are more than just ideals to be valued - they may be essential to survival...."-- Noam Chomsky -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:03:02 -0500 Austin Acton <aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org> wrote: > Word up! Yo, I thought we werent' supposed to use street lingo, G, aight? -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Every now and then when your life gets complicated and the weasels start closing in, the only real cure is to load up on heinous chemicals and then drive like a bastard from Hollywood to Las Vegas."-- Hunter S. Thompson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:53:19 -0500 William Park <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> wrote: > - over-estimating market potential to sell stocks. what the hell does this have to do with whether people choose to use Realplayer? > - inability to generate revenue from actual sales. ...because some company convicted of being an illegal monopoly is pulling the rug out from under you. > - buying too many BMWs and having too much tan. WTF? > - reckless disregard for proper management practice. > - hiring too many MBAs. > - hiring too few programmers. If you put that in print, they'd sue you for libel, and win. > - failure to merchandize RealPlayer to manufacturers and content > providers/creators. see #2 > - failure to bring about a buyout offer from Microsoft. see Austin's response... Man, you are some piece o' work, there William. And I should know, I'm a shit-disturber from waaaaaaay back. *plonk* -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "In our civilization, and under our republican form of government, intelligence is so highly honored that it is rewarded by exemption from the cares of office."-- Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Hello Every One
by joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

On 19 Dec 2003 01:11:53 -0500 Stephen Oulton <roulton623-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org> wrote: > It runs very slow. When I click to start an application it takes about > 30 seconds before the application starts to boot up. > > I have found that most of the applications that came with it will work. > The ones that I would like to work don't. GT Catalog for one. I can read > a CD with Konqueror and it reads it fine. When I go to scan the CD with > GT Catalog it freezes the whole operating system. I can't even log out. > The only thing that works is the reset button. > > My system is a Pentium III, 733 megahertz, with 2 10 gigabyte drives. I > don't think that is should run so slow. Austin makes some good points re the speed factor. I have 9.1 running my webserver on a P166, and while it won't win any contests, it certainly doesn't take 30 seconds to open an app. If you open a terminal and type "top", is there anything (at the top of the list) using a lot of your CPU time or memory? -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold..." -- William Butler Yeats -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Hello Every One
by aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y＠public.gmane.org 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

On Fri, 2003-12-19 at 01:11, Stephen Oulton wrote: > It runs very slow. When I click to start an application it takes about > 30 seconds before the application starts to boot up. That's just bizarre. Linux should run as fast as, if not faster than Windows. Especially Mandrake, which is i586 optimized, which neither RedHat nor Windows are. > I have found that most of the applications that came with it will work. > The ones that I would like to work don't. GT Catalog for one. I can read > a CD with Konqueror and it reads it fine. When I go to scan the CD with > GT Catalog it freezes the whole operating system. I can't even log out. > The only thing that works is the reset button. If you post a bug report to http://qa.mandrakesoft.com it may get fixed. Keep in mind that this is not uncommon with Linux. The flip-side of the coin is that there are usually 2 or 3 apps available that do the same thing, and one of them is bound to work. > My system is a Pentium III, 733 megahertz, with 2 10 gigabyte drives. I > don't think that is should run so slow. Neither do I. My 500 MHz PIII runs great. > I would like to completely get away from windows but I can't seem to > find a version of linux that will run all the peripherals. Even Mandrake > won't run my fax modem. If it's a winmoden, it's unlikely that any distro will run it out-of-the-box. The Powerpack edition of Mandrake comes with some Winmodem drivers, but it is not free (as in beer). Otherwise see: http://www.linmodems.org/ http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html http://www.danielrees.me.uk/ltmodem.html > So far the only way I can use all of the functions on my computer is to > use windows. That's okay. That's not uncommon. If you contribute really helpful bug reports back to the community, maybe Linux will meet all of your needs soon. Austin -- Austin Acton Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant, Ph.D. Candidate Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeLinux Volunteer Developer, homepage: www.groundstate.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Hello Every One
by roulton623-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

Hi I'm Stephen Oulton I have been using Mandrake 9.1 for about 6 months now. When I first started to try linux I used Lycoris it was fast and it didn't take much hard drive space. It wouldn't operate my scanner, and half of the programs that came with it didn't work. They crashed frequently. When I installed Mandrake I had lots of problems. It would crash while I was installing it and I had to keep trying over and over again. I finally got it working and it even runs my scanjet which Red Hat, Conectiva, Lycoris Build 46, and 75 wouldn't do. It runs very slow. When I click to start an application it takes about 30 seconds before the application starts to boot up. I have found that most of the applications that came with it will work. The ones that I would like to work don't. GT Catalog for one. I can read a CD with Konqueror and it reads it fine. When I go to scan the CD with GT Catalog it freezes the whole operating system. I can't even log out. The only thing that works is the reset button. My system is a Pentium III, 733 megahertz, with 2 10 gigabyte drives. I don't think that is should run so slow. I would like to completely get away from windows but I can't seem to find a version of linux that will run all the peripherals. Even Mandrake won't run my fax modem. So far the only way I can use all of the functions on my computer is to use windows. Can anyone help me out. Thanks Stephen Oulton <roulton623-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org> -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y＠public.gmane.org 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

On Fri, 2003-12-19 at 00:53, William Park wrote: > - failure to bring about a buyout offer from Microsoft. You have to be kidding. If this is what qualifies a business as 'successful' these days, there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with America, and digital consumers. Oh wait, that is in fact the case, isn't it? Austin -- Austin Acton Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant, Ph.D. Candidate Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeLinux Volunteer Developer, homepage: www.groundstate.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y＠public.gmane.org 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

Word up! And no, I don't mean MS Word(tm) up. Austin On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 23:26, DanG wrote: > Somehow when a company owns 98% of the desktop OS market and leverages that > to distribute "free" software as a bundle with their OSes to take out > competition, I hardly call that a level playing field. Do you remember the > browser wars with Netscape and the numerous other companies who formed > technology partnerships and got swallowed up? I think these antitrust suits > looks good on Microsoft and it's monopoly practices. What they did to all > those competitors is either buy them out or bundle them out or hide > programming interfaces to competitors because they had the financial > resources and monopoly to do so. I hope Real and the numerous states that > are still filing anti-trust suits in the US get a good whack of cash. We all > know Bill has enough for everyone, if he can give SCO cash then I say > everyone hold your hands out. :-) -- Austin Acton Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant, Ph.D. Candidate Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeLinux Volunteer Developer, homepage: www.groundstate.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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