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SCO has valid case
by jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 23 Aug '03

23 Aug '03

On August 23, 2003 05:52 pm, John Myshrall wrote: > On August 22, 2003 05:16 pm, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > > You are attempting to remove my voice even though I have the same > > right to speak as you do. I think I have valid information to post. > > What is your last name....Emir? I think I hear your mom calling... > > RickT > > Emir is stating what most people in the open source community *know*. The > said code is BSD and the other released by Caldera. I'm not a hacker > however I've been following this daily. Check Torvald's and Raymond's > response to the smoking gun. > > PO 'd at SCO John > oops forgot the links. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1227128,00.asp http://www.perens.com/SCO/SCOSlideShow.html http://www.opensource.org/sco-vs-ibm.html l8r J -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SCO has valid case
by jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 23 Aug '03

23 Aug '03

On August 22, 2003 05:16 pm, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > You are attempting to remove my voice even though I have the same > right to speak as you do. I think I have valid information to post. > What is your last name....Emir? I think I hear your mom calling... > RickT > Emir is stating what most people in the open source community *know*. The said code is BSD and the other released by Caldera. I'm not a hacker however I've been following this daily. Check Torvald's and Raymond's response to the smoking gun. PO 'd at SCO John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SCO has valid case
by jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 23 Aug '03

23 Aug '03

On August 22, 2003 05:14 pm, E K wrote: Top post WTF ? > <html><div style='background-color:'><DIV> > <P>"The rancorous Supreme Court pronouncement on the 2000 Presidential > election <BR>~ ought to remind everyone that the US' legal system is at > best a lottery, <BR>~ and at worst, deeply swayed by human > vices."           &n >bsp; -- Andrew Orlowski </P> <P><BR>By the virtue this sco has a valid > case.</P> > <P>EK<BR><BR></P></DIV> > <DIV></DIV>>From: Emir <EMIR-+0Uepm4v0EJuNKkiiyPfRg at public.gmane.org> > <DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > <DIV></DIV>>To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > <DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [TLUG]: SCO has valid case > <DIV></DIV>>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:44:48 -0400 > <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > <DIV></DIV>>Hash: SHA1 > <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>>On 22/08/2003 16:10, rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org wrote: > <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>>| I was at SCO Forum this week and viewed some of the > disputed code <DIV></DIV>>and > <DIV></DIV>>| SCO's explanations both without and with NDA. They have a > valid <DIV></DIV>>case. > <DIV></DIV>>| Linux kernel 2.4 to 2.6 contains AIX code which allows > scalability <DIV></DIV>>| beyond that which would have been available in > a "regular <DIV></DIV>>development > <DIV></DIV>>| timeframe". Anyone interested in a copy of the non-nda PPT > let me <DIV></DIV>>know > <DIV></DIV>>| and I'll email you a copy. I've tried several postings to > the list <DIV></DIV>>| server but it does'nt seem to be working. > <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>>Couple of points here, Rick: > <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>>1. Unless you're a judge in a US Court of Law with > jurisdiction over <DIV></DIV>>this > <DIV></DIV>>case, I'd strongly recommend you *never* state it as a fact > that SCO <DIV></DIV>>does or > <DIV></DIV>>does not have a valid case. Signing SCO's NDA and sitting > through <DIV></DIV>>their > <DIV></DIV>>PowerPoint presentation doesn't make you qualified to make > such <DIV></DIV>>judgments, at > <DIV></DIV>>least not in a public forum such as this one. Nobody's gonna > stop <DIV></DIV>>you, but it > <DIV></DIV>>can't be considered anything but FUD and thus your > credibility takes <DIV></DIV>>the > <DIV></DIV>>one-way trip down the sewers of our fine City. > <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>>2. Assuming it's the same presentation everyone else saw, > it's <DIV></DIV>>already been > <DIV></DIV>>taken apart by many UNIX experts, and Bruce Perens himself > wrote an <DIV></DIV>>analysis > <DIV></DIV>>of the presentation > (http://www.perens.com/SCO/SCOSlideShow.html) <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>>3. Let's talk logic for a moment here: IBM is at risk to > lose $3bn, <DIV></DIV>>maybe > <DIV></DIV>>more, from a company they can buy for $25M. Do you honestly > think <DIV></DIV>>IBM's army > <DIV></DIV>>of IP lawyers (and IBM is rumoured to have the largest > collection of <DIV></DIV>>those in > <DIV></DIV>>history of human kind) overlooked that and it took *you* to > figure <DIV></DIV>>the case is > <DIV></DIV>>in SCO's favour? > <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>>At the end, I'm gonna tell you something you should've been > told a <DIV></DIV>>long time > <DIV></DIV>>ago: not everything you see on a PowerPoint slide is > necessarily <DIV></DIV>>true. > <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>>- -- > <DIV></DIV>>Emir. > <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>>"The rancorous Supreme Court pronouncement on the 2000 > Presidential <DIV></DIV>>election > <DIV></DIV>>~ ought to remind everyone that the US' legal system is at > best a <DIV></DIV>>lottery, > <DIV></DIV>>~ and at worst, deeply swayed by human vices." -- Andrew > <DIV></DIV>>Orlowski > <DIV></DIV>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > <DIV></DIV>>Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) > <DIV></DIV>>Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - > http://enigmail.mozdev.org <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>>iD8DBQE/RoDAuSy542G+Z7QRAkKMAKCLsA9tfnF+oMR00aOBQEB8IQf4SACf >WDfS <DIV></DIV>>qD03b4L0/3ootp3N7J5xsEA= > <DIV></DIV>>=5Dda > <DIV></DIV>>-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>>-- > <DIV></DIV>>The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > <DIV></DIV>>TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 > columns <DIV></DIV>>How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml <DIV></DIV></div><br clear=all><hr>STOP > MORE SPAM with <a href="http://g.msn.com/8HMZEN/2728??PS=">the new MSN > 8</a> and get 2 months FREE*</html> -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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register article well worth passing on
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 23 Aug '03

23 Aug '03

An(other) article on M$ security in desktop products well worth passing on to would-be linux converts: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/32449.html Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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sorry: not ss.org, but OTHER problem (more general)
by verbum-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w＠public.gmane.org 23 Aug '03

23 Aug '03

Very sorry to have raised a false alarm a few minutes ago. I thought a misonfiguration somewhere in the TLUG mail-transmissions chain (ss.org? other server?) was causing my fetchmail, pointed to mail.interlog.com under POP3, to return "domain does not resolve" errors. In fact my problem is more general, and has nothing to do with ss.org as such. Even **OTHER** domains are not getting resolved. How this can be I con't know! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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First Linux phone out ;-)
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 23 Aug '03

23 Aug '03

http://www.gizmodo.com/ Scroll down to 'First Linux phone out'. I wonder what kernel it runs. Ho hum. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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TlUG badmails: ss.org wont resolve, sez mail.interlog.com
by verbum-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w＠public.gmane.org 23 Aug '03

23 Aug '03

I download mails from mail.interlog.com with fetechmail under POP3, over PPP dialup. The mail.interlog.com server is now saying that ss.org will not resolve, and is therefore terminating all my fetchmail sessions. :-( :-( Tom = Tom Karmo http://www. metascientia.com 416-971-6955 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SCO has valid case
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 23 Aug '03

23 Aug '03

On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Keith Mastin wrote: > I suspect that the basis of the core kernel code is strong enough to > survive an unfavorable ruling. The question in my mind is, is the > opensource community strong enough to survive the courtcase, winning or > losing notwithstanding? I think that it must be made CLEAR that the people being sued are not the GPL, not Linux, but the firm(s) who have introduced the supposed IP into the codebase, while breaking the GPL. Imho this scandal only tests whether the GPL will be enforced by the copyright and trademark owners of the GPL and of the Linux name against whoever put someone's IP into the codebase (if they put it there). The way I see it, the moment SCO officially puts down the offending code as evidence, and the code is found to be taken from someone (possibly from them) as opposed from the public domain (or BSD code), the people who wrote the code will have to be found, and then someone from FSF/GPL will have to serve them a GPL license violation writ immediately. *This* would test the GPL imho. And failure to do this would be a big mistake, as it would be a kind of abandoning of the license and its object (by not defending it). But, ianal. Meanwhile the FSF/GPL lawyers should have two such writs in a drawer, one for each of the involved firms, and be ready to pull the right one out and serve it immediately when needed. There is no question about whether OS will survive the test because the test is not about OS at all. It is about whether someone can get away with slander and FUD against the GPL and Linux, over, say 0.0001% of its code, and bring the house down over this. However, the intention of these people to drag the open source community through this lawsuit and associated fears is obvious, as is their intention to benefit from this precedent they are creating in the future. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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[Fwd:Netscape lock & purge]
by aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 23 Aug '03

23 Aug '03

A third problem is that I can't import bookmarks from a saved copy on a floppy. I know that the linux version of Netscape doesn't have the 'import bookmarks' (or somesuch), so I overwrote /home/chris/.netscape/bookmarks.html with the one from the floppy. I know the bookmarks are OK, because they are there when I issue, netscape /home/chris/.netscape/bookmarks.html It seems that my netscape is not looking there for the bookmarks. does this have something to do witht the lock file error I am getting?

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ss.org email trouble
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 23 Aug '03

23 Aug '03

On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Robert Brockway wrote: > zen:~$ host mail.ets.com > mail.ets.com does not exist, try again Try mail.ets.net The newest fad is to have all the suffixes bought up and use only one of them. Often forgetting to put a redirect in the unused ones (eg ets.com ->ets.net) > zen:~$ host mail.nte.com > mail.nte.com does not exist, try again nte is a mistake by me. Such a domain is not in volved in this. Please ignore the nte name. Peter PS: Some headers follow (imho this needs sorting out between the postmasters at ss.org and ets.net) Received: from smtp1.actcom.net.il by actcom.co.il with ESMTP (8.11.6/actcom-0.2) id h7N0RTR11107 for <plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org>; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 03:27:31 +0300 (EET DST) (rfc931-sender: mail.actcom.co.il [192.114.47.13]) Received: from lisa.ets.net (lisa.ets.net [205.207.146.21]) by smtp1.actcom.net.il (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h7N0XNs6008874 for <plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org>; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 03:33:24 +0300 Received: by lisa.ets.net (Postfix) id 96EB46B313; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 20:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 20:27:27 -0400 (EDT) This is the Postfix program at host lisa.ets.net. #################################################################### # THIS IS A WARNING ONLY. YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE. # #################################################################### Your message could not be delivered for 4.0 hours. It will be retried until it is 5.0 days old. For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster> The Postfix program <tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org>: host lethe.ss.org[206.108.5.1] said: 421 Error: timeout exceeded Will-Retry-Until: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:18:47 -0400 (EDT) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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