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debian/woody powrpc + /dev/lp* + serial port: /dev/ttyS1
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 24 Aug '03

24 Aug '03

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Max Blanco wrote: > The faqs.org says 9600 baud is the going rate, yet when I tried to > setserial, my keyboard fubarred and I had to reboot. ?! why would that happen ? Maybe you are trying to write to the wrong port ? I do not know what the tty keyboard looks like on a Mac but if you tried to configure that or a UART (Z8530) shared with it then it would explain it. You also want to see the manpage of stty wrt. settings for manual testing like buffering etc. If the printer is post script then the raw text you send will cause the interpreter to curl up and die. Try to send a short ps file. Like man man -Tps >/dev/wherever. Even this may not work if the printer requires JCL control to enter PS mode or xon/xoff handshake. You have to find some info on your printer. A captured printer file from another Mac with the same printer would help a lot. Have you tried to look at the printer's answers ? As in cat </dev/theprinter|od -a ? Try this after turning it off and on again. You can test the port completely and maybe talk to the printer for testing using minicom, since it is serial. good luck, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Good news: blender is now free
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 24 Aug '03

24 Aug '03

The 3d rendering and animation package is now (and has been for a while ?) free and open source. Go to: www.blender3d.org Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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debian/woody powrpc + /dev/lp* + serial port: /dev/ttyS1
by blanco-S8qYAnHmZTt34ZA5RureAJ4VBq8PJc8F＠public.gmane.org 24 Aug '03

24 Aug '03

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Max Blanco wrote: > > > Yet when I do > > # cat > /dev/ttyS1 > > The quick brown fox. > > <ctrl-d> > > > > nothing comes out the printhead. Yes, I do have it "online". No, I > > haven't ever had it work with the macos: I am unable (terminally) to work > > with iconic macos. > > It may need a page flush to start moving. > whazzat? ctrl-L? > > Does Imagewriter II have a powerup self-test in eeprom (like various HP > > devices I've known?) If so, how do I gain access? > > Most (all) intelligent printers have one (winprinters aren't intelligent). > Try to hold the button(s) down while cycling the power. Hold them for at > least 5 seconds. Try different combinations or look on the internet for > more data. These pages helped: <LI><a href="http://www.faqs.org/faqs/apple2/faq/part18/">Apple II Csa2 FAQs: Printers, Part 18/25</a> <LI><a href="http://www.aviators.stark.k12.oh.us/Tech/imagewriter.html">Imagewriter.html</a> I got it to do a self-test by holding pwr and ff buttons while starting up. That part works, so I have a functional peripheral. > > PS If anyone has a working /etc/printcap for a serial port mac printer, > > I'd appreciate you posting it. > > I am sure that you will find one on the net. The 68k Linux users must have > managed this a long time ago. > Odd, google couldn't find any with my search strings. Printing-Howto's galore, but no valuable info therein. > FYI the most often encountered nonworking peripheral problem is a bad > cable. If you see that things do not behave as they should try another > cable first, then everything else. The faqs.org 18/25 printer page (ref above) said the same thing. I did a continuity test and my cable is indeed working. Mine is NOT a "straight-through" cable. The correct type of cable for my imagewriter II is NOT straight-through according to faqs.org. I suspect it to be a setserial problem. The faqs.org says 9600 baud is the going rate, yet when I tried to setserial, my keyboard fubarred and I had to reboot. TIA, max. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Help rebuilding Redhat 9 rpm database
by kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w＠public.gmane.org 24 Aug '03

24 Aug '03

> My other machine, a 4-year-old Dell of mine, runs OK except that the > harddrive has recently begun showing more bad blocks than than a Toronto > Argonauts highlight reel. So I went and bought a new drive. I RTFM'd > and set the jumper to Master and swapped drives. Then I thought I'd try > putting Redhat 9 on the system while I was at it. The install went OK, > and the check for bad blocks didn't find anything. I decided to remove > Postfix as the mail agent and replace it with ssmtp. Then rpm whined > about how mutt depended on Postfix. I did a --nodeps removal of > Postfix, and rpm froze. I popped open another tty and killed rpm. > > Then I tried rebuilding the rpm database from scratch. Two hours ago, > I did "rpm -vv --initdb". The response on the screen was... > > D: opening db environment /var/lib/rpm/Packages joinenv > D: opening db index /var/lib/rpm/Packages create mode=0x42 > > Nothing further since then. Is this a long process on a 450 mhz > machine, or are things so badly hosed that I should re-install ? You did rpm --rebuilddb, right? Might be hosed. If you don't have a big investment in the machine already, might be a good time to reinstall. IIRC ssmtp and postfix can live on a system together. Just do postfix stop and start ssmtp. -- Keith Mastin BeechTree Information Technology Services Inc. Toronto, Canada (416)696 6070 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Help rebuilding Redhat 9 rpm database
by waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw＠public.gmane.org 24 Aug '03

24 Aug '03

My other machine, a 4-year-old Dell of mine, runs OK except that the harddrive has recently begun showing more bad blocks than than a Toronto Argonauts highlight reel. So I went and bought a new drive. I RTFM'd and set the jumper to Master and swapped drives. Then I thought I'd try putting Redhat 9 on the system while I was at it. The install went OK, and the check for bad blocks didn't find anything. I decided to remove Postfix as the mail agent and replace it with ssmtp. Then rpm whined about how mutt depended on Postfix. I did a --nodeps removal of Postfix, and rpm froze. I popped open another tty and killed rpm. Then I tried rebuilding the rpm database from scratch. Two hours ago, I did "rpm -vv --initdb". The response on the screen was... D: opening db environment /var/lib/rpm/Packages joinenv D: opening db index /var/lib/rpm/Packages create mode=0x42 Nothing further since then. Is this a long process on a 450 mhz machine, or are things so badly hosed that I should re-install ? -- Walter Dnes <waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org> Email users are divided into two classes; 1) Those who have effective spam-blocking 2) Those who wish they did -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SCO has valid case
by kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w＠public.gmane.org 24 Aug '03

24 Aug '03

> I did not get the impression SCO was trying to drag down the Linux name > especially as a "past time" but rather they are moving to protect their > IP (Intellectual Property) in the very same manner the music industry > has been doing. (ie.Napster) They seem adamant about their current > holdings (UNIX) and are trying to enforce their legal rights. SCO's > assertion is that IBM (as a company, not rogue employees) did knowingly > introduce AIX code to Linux licensed from the > SCO/Novell/AT&T agreement. SCOX (Nasdaq $13.55) is a tiny company > approx. 350 employees & current market cap 100M++ now that their stock > price has increased from below one dollar a year ago. They were almost > delisted. SCO has an impressive team of professionals working on all > aspects of this case. I'm amazed that you can hit the nail on the head and still miss it entirely. The stocks are up, the main shareholders can cash out without losing their shirts (provided they have the legalities in place first). All the rest is snakeoil and red herrings. These are suits, not geeks, making all the noise here. Their priorities are all $$ related. > SCO is not a group of "stupid idiots" as many seem to think they are. > I'm amazed no one on the list server with advanced programming skills > took the time to go to Vegas to try to get to the bottom of things or at > the very least to hear SCO's side and grill them on the spot. They were > all there answering any and all questions. At least no one else on the > list server has spoken out yet about their trip to SCOForum yet. Hell > I'm almost sorry I said anything now. There was nothing going on in Vegas that was worth the trip. SCO wanted to present their case in the court of public opinion to scare you even more. Seems like they succeeded. If you trust the SCO executive that much, put your $$ where your mouth is... buy some non-voting shares of SCOX and hold them for say... a year after this is all over? I believe in them so much that I sold all my Caldera shares 3 hours after the IPO happened. 2 hours more and I would have lost a good chunk of it. > I UNDERSTAND substantial code exists above and beyond the powerpoint > presentation however SCO is not prepared to release it publicly...yet. > Don't dump on me. I support the Linux effort with great enthusiasm since > it began but need to have options for different customers. I'm as > adversely affected by all this the same as others in the industry. I > don't need more FUD in my life. I was working with 3.5, 3.51, NT when it > first arrived. I sure did'nt need that CRAP in my life > especially when Novell had (what I considered) to be rock solid > technology at the time. I welcome all comments. Nothing like a great > brainstorming session to liven things up. Your understanding seems to be informed by one side of the case. By this point, everything SCO releases or says if controlled by shysters. Choose to believe them if you want. It's interesting to see the fallout of all this unravelling. Those who are interested enough in SCO's side of the story seems to be wavering under the onslaught of FUD. The question is will the numbers be sufficient to keep SCO alive beyond the court case, or will they sell out to someone else (in Redmond?) [insert suspicious movie music here] ? BTW... and this is entirely speculation... what happens to software if the copyright owner is defunct? It's not like SCO is going to leave a will or an estate. Is it at this point that M$ buys the ...what? ...copyrights? ...SCO? outright for nothing in a short stock trade? Remember this? http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,110794,00.asp Is any of this making any sense yet? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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debian/woody powrpc + /dev/lp* + serial port: /dev/ttyS1 + powrup self-test ?
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 24 Aug '03

24 Aug '03

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Max Blanco wrote: > Yet when I do > # cat > /dev/ttyS1 > The quick brown fox. > <ctrl-d> > > nothing comes out the printhead. Yes, I do have it "online". No, I > haven't ever had it work with the macos: I am unable (terminally) to work > with iconic macos. It may need a page flush to start moving. > Any suggestions? > > Does Imagewriter II have a powerup self-test in eeprom (like various HP > devices I've known?) If so, how do I gain access? Most (all) intelligent printers have one (winprinters aren't intelligent). Try to hold the button(s) down while cycling the power. Hold them for at least 5 seconds. Try different combinations or look on the internet for more data. > PS If anyone has a working /etc/printcap for a serial port mac printer, > I'd appreciate you posting it. I am sure that you will find one on the net. The 68k Linux users must have managed this a long time ago. FYI the most often encountered nonworking peripheral problem is a bad cable. If you see that things do not behave as they should try another cable first, then everything else. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SCO has valid case
by kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w＠public.gmane.org 24 Aug '03

24 Aug '03

> It's my opinion that SCO is hoping for a settlement and never wants to > go to court. Lots of people sue with the hope of getting paid off > because it is cheaper for the defendant to handout the money then to > defend itself. This is entirely possible. It could also be that they don't intend on the case actually going to trial at all, or to settle. They've made enough noise to raise their stocks and cash out with the publicity that this entire fiasco has generated. The other interesting angle is the M$ stakes in this. They are nicely isolated from the heat yet stand to win whichever way this goes. And since sales, marketing and licensing is M$'s biggest virtue, this smells like there may be more of a relationship here than is known about in public circles. Proof is impossible though. > I think this has from the very beginning been a bluff from a very > desperate company. The shenanigan with SCO issuing stocks and then SCO > executives cashing in smells really bad. The Caldera IPO was a farce too. It was 3 months late and a few dollars short in comparison to the Redhat IPO a few months earlier. They couldn't get their paperwork together and when they did it was sus-standard. If they have the same degree of proficiency in preparing for court they will have a hard time of it. > The issuing of licenses appears to nothing more than FUD. Or the hope of a quick cash grab as a result? Same thing... > SCO has alienated just about everyone imaginable, and the SCO execs are > looking for early retirement. Now that they've ruined their careers, they have little choice unless they want to change careers (hopefully to one that requires one to recite "would you like fries with that sir?" a few dozen times a day. > Of course this is just my opinion :) Yeah, too bad they don't ask us to settle the matter :) -- Keith Mastin BeechTree Information Technology Services Inc. Toronto, Canada (416)696 6070 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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debian/woody powrpc + /dev/lp* + serial port: /dev/ttyS1 + powrup self-test ?
by blanco-S8qYAnHmZTt34ZA5RureAJ4VBq8PJc8F＠public.gmane.org 24 Aug '03

24 Aug '03

I now have the modem working fine on my lnux powrmac. The next problem is the printer port. Mac doesn't have a parallel prt, apparently; they use the serial port instead. I have identified it as /dev/ttyS1, courtesy of "dmesg | grep tty", and "setserial /dev/ttyS1", which match irq and hex address. I have an ostensibly working Imagewriter II. (It goes through the powrup tests and behaves as expected.) Yet when I do # cat > /dev/ttyS1 The quick brown fox. <ctrl-d> nothing comes out the printhead. Yes, I do have it "online". No, I haven't ever had it work with the macos: I am unable (terminally) to work with iconic macos. Any suggestions? Does Imagewriter II have a powerup self-test in eeprom (like various HP devices I've known?) If so, how do I gain access? PS If anyone has a working /etc/printcap for a serial port mac printer, I'd appreciate you posting it. TIA, max. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SCO.com and Caldera.com dead?
by emir-rdkfGonbjUTTQjIoRn/dzw＠public.gmane.org 24 Aug '03

24 Aug '03

Paul Osman wrote: > On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Madison Kelly wrote: > > >>Hi all, >> >> I know there was a thread on SCO so this may already have been >>pointed out but if so, I missed it. It looks like the SCO and Caldera >>websites are gone and have been for several hours now. Curiously, it >>follows after two days of steady rise in SCOX share price. A rumour we >>didn't know about? >> >>Madison >> > > > I wonder what their customers think now that they can't even access their > website. Fucking losers... honestly. ...and by "customers" I assume you mean "defendents"? -- Emir. "If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now." [Zaphod Beeblebrox] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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