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Windows refund: stymied by Dell
by blanco-S8qYAnHmZTt34ZA5RureAJ4VBq8PJc8F＠public.gmane.org 29 Aug '03

29 Aug '03

On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Max Blanco wrote: > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Ian Goldberg wrote: > > > The whole story: > > > > http://www.cypherpunks.ca/dell.html > > > > from said page: > > "7. Software. All software is provided subject to the license > agreement that is part of the package. Customer agrees that > it will be bound by the license agreement once the package is > opened or its seal is broken. > > "Customer agrees that --->it<---" > > This licence does not apply to a human being. Correction to: > They get one to acknowledge one's soul away. They have an animate human being acknowledge that he or she has no soul by indirect means. The animate human, who would warrant the appellation of "he" or "she", is replaced by a meat machine, denoted by "it". > Please don't touch this licence with a ten-foot pole. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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If someone sells laptops w/o Windows installed
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 29 Aug '03

29 Aug '03

Yes. In one case the supplier installed MSDOS I think to see if it booted right and then deleted the partitions with fdisk I think before shipping. Any laptop where you purchase it with a disk up-or downgrade will have a blank hdd in it and you can tell the vendor you want him to leave it like that. There is a better chance to get such a machine from a local shop that does its own integration (shop around in your area), than from a big chain. You will also likely get a good price. Buying a big name brand laptop for use with linux/others is a risky business imho. They almost always have the cojones to implement non-standard hardware that requires special drivers. If you then try to run anything but a mainstream os (like netbsd etc etc) on it you have a problem. The problem can range from nonfunctioning modem to burned out cpu due to acpi incompatibility not allowing the cpu cooler fan to run. Cheapers laptops will have more compliant hardware since they usually do not have the special agreements with our favorite software house and they need to be compatible with the mainstream. Many even have linux drivers on the system driver cd (supplied). Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Windows refund: stymied
by lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys＠public.gmane.org 29 Aug '03

29 Aug '03

On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 01:31:00AM -0400, Marc Lijour (Professeur d'Informatique) wrote: > A masterpiece! > > I had the same problem with DELL. But, wait until you try to install vmware > and discover that you windowsOEM won't work with the vmware pseudoBIOS! > DELL CDs are for DELL BIOS... Same with Gateway. > It's a shame. And I'm glad to ear that. Next time, I probably won't buy a DELL > unless somebody can tell me they changed this ludicrous policy. I imagine microsoft doesn't want Dell's diskimage installable Windows version to work on other machines. imagine if it fell into the wrong hands. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Windows refund: stymied
by lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys＠public.gmane.org 29 Aug '03

29 Aug '03

On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 09:54:59PM -0400, Ian Goldberg wrote: > I spent all afternoon on the phone with Dell. It turns out the Windows > refund issue didn't even come up, because (get this), when you boot the > computer, you're presented with a *Dell* screen that forces you to say > you've read and agreed to all the EULAs for the software on the system. > > Trick is, they don't give them to you. > > No one at Dell seemed perplexed by this. I was being forced to say I've > read agreements I don't have. So we didn't even get to the bit where I > could point to the "refund" clause in the Windows EULA, since I was > never presented with it in the first place. > > The whole story: > > http://www.cypherpunks.ca/dell.html > > This is the next level above "click-through" licenses. Now, they figure > no one reads the EULAs anyway, so why bother even providing a copy? > They'll click "I've read and agreed" anyhow. I wonder if it is time Dell started shipping a bit more paper with their machines. License agreements for example. :) Well IBM does sell laptops with Linux preinstalled. Not sure if anyone else does, or if anyone sells laptops with no software at all. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Windows refund: stymied by Dell
by blanco-S8qYAnHmZTt34ZA5RureAJ4VBq8PJc8F＠public.gmane.org 29 Aug '03

29 Aug '03

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Ian Goldberg wrote: > The whole story: > > http://www.cypherpunks.ca/dell.html > from said page: "7. Software. All software is provided subject to the license agreement that is part of the package. Customer agrees that it will be bound by the license agreement once the package is opened or its seal is broken. "Customer agrees that --->it<---" This licence does not apply to a human being. They get one to acknowledge one's soul away. Please don't touch this licence with a ten-foot pole. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Drive Imaging with dd
by robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy＠public.gmane.org 29 Aug '03

29 Aug '03

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Kareem Shehata wrote: > When just dump the files directly from one drive to another, the > performance is spot on: > root at ttyp0[test]# dd if=/dev/hda1 of=shuttlepod.hda1 > 2260624+0 records in > 2260624+0 records out > 1157439488 bytes transferred in 64.225880 seconds (18021388 bytes/sec) > > But the moment I stick gzip in the middle, is slows down by at least half: > > root at ttyp0[test]# dd if=/dev/hda1 | gzip -1 > shuttlepod.hda1.gz Have you considered: dd if=/dev/hda1 of=shuttlepod.hda1 | gzip -1 I believe you may see different performance with this. Also, any particular reason you're using dd rather than tar? I'm currently developing a CD which will (as one of its functions) backup Win* boxes (and allow easy recovery). When I'm finished this will be freely redistributable. I'll mention it on list when I'm done if anyone wants to download it. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, zzbrock at uqconnect.net Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Windows refund: stymied
by marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 28 Aug '03

28 Aug '03

Le 28 Ao??t 2003 21:54, Ian Goldberg a ??crit : > I spent all afternoon on the phone with Dell. It turns out the Windows > refund issue didn't even come up, because (get this), when you boot the > computer, you're presented with a *Dell* screen that forces you to say > you've read and agreed to all the EULAs for the software on the system. > > Trick is, they don't give them to you. > > No one at Dell seemed perplexed by this. I was being forced to say I've > read agreements I don't have. So we didn't even get to the bit where I > could point to the "refund" clause in the Windows EULA, since I was > never presented with it in the first place. > > The whole story: > > http://www.cypherpunks.ca/dell.html > > This is the next level above "click-through" licenses. Now, they figure > no one reads the EULAs anyway, so why bother even providing a copy? > They'll click "I've read and agreed" anyhow. > > Ugh. A masterpiece! I had the same problem with DELL. But, wait until you try to install vmware and discover that you windowsOEM won't work with the vmware pseudoBIOS! DELL CDs are for DELL BIOS... It's a shame. And I'm glad to ear that. Next time, I probably won't buy a DELL unless somebody can tell me they changed this ludicrous policy. Marc -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Konqueror and Yahoo Groups
by fcsoft-rxKNY4w4koG3ikBYyZqyVg＠public.gmane.org 28 Aug '03

28 Aug '03

Mine is the stock version that comes with RedHat 7.3 ie. Konqueror 2.2.1 Looks to me that something changed between your version and this one which broke the ability to access the Yahoo Groups server. On August 28, 2003 08:52 pm, you wrote: > On August 27, 2003 10:17 am, bob findlay wrote: > > > I just tried Bob, using Konq 1.5.3 and got to my 4 groups with no problems. > Nothing special has been configured in Konq. > > Konq. is identified as Mozilla 5.0/ Konq.... Java is not set globally but > Javascript is on. > > Merv -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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OT: unlimited DSL bandwidth usage
by fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 28 Aug '03

28 Aug '03

Now if only they would give me a mail relay that actually worked. http://forums.sympatico.ca/WebX?14@@.1de4406a -- Fraser Campbell <fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org> http://www.wehave.net/ Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Drive Imaging with dd
by ttanski-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q＠public.gmane.org 28 Aug '03

28 Aug '03

On 28 Aug 2003, Kareem Shehata wrote: > I have the same suspicion. Is there any way to control pipes in bash? > I was thinking of piping the data through dd again with a different > block size to try and make a quasi-buffer, but I don't think that'll be > very efficient. Have a look at the following: http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/contrib/libc6/i386/buffer-1.19-1.i386.html Terry -- Terry Tanski, B.Sc. Phone: (416) 863-2126 Canada NewsWire Ltd. Fax: (416) 863-4825 20 Bay Street, Suite 1500 Email: ttanski-BEj8/MhvOJIsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Toronto, ON M5J 2N8 Web: http://www.newswire.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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