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City Of Toronto
by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

Robert Brockway wrote: > I propose the following meeting: > > Where: Ginger 2 restaurant > 403 Yonge Street, > Toronto, ON > M5B 1S9 > > When: 7pm, Monday Jan 12 2003. We'll realy have to hustle, to get their on time! ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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City Of Toronto
by rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A＠public.gmane.org 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003, Fraser Campbell wrote: > Desktop installs are a waste of time for any organization of significant > size. For thin client installs older PCs (probably even 486s) are more > than capable of running the latest and greatest stuff, you just run the > heavy stuff on the server. Absolutely. Many times I've seen people amazed with the capabilites of a thinclient. Too many people are still convinced that a computer needs to be near a person to be useful[1]. [1] Of course the thinclient itself is a computer but little processing is done there. More importantly, no important data is saved there. One of the most important things about a thinclients is that you don't care if they break since they are all interchangeable from the users point of view. Rob -- Robert Brockway Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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City Of Toronto
by rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A＠public.gmane.org 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003, Robert Brockway wrote: > When: 7pm, Monday Jan 12 2003. Hmmm...make that 2004 of course :) Rob -- Robert Brockway Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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City Of Toronto
by rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A＠public.gmane.org 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003, David J Patrick wrote: > Yikes ! > It sounds like a golden opportunity is starting to rust ! > The earlier thread "Toronto Municipal Open Source Revolution, anyone ?" > had a flash of enthusiasm and then very little follow through. I honestly think the time of year had something to do with this. We concluded that nothing will be happening in the city council until sometime in January. At this point I'd like to propose a face to face meeting for interested companies and individuals to discuss the type of approach that could be made to the city. I propose the following meeting: Where: Ginger 2 restaurant 403 Yonge Street, Toronto, ON M5B 1S9 When: 7pm, Monday Jan 12 2003. Please RSVP to me by Monday Jan 5 so we know how many people are coming. Rob -- Robert Brockway Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Formatting in C++ (fwd)
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003, John Wildberger wrote: > Fundamentally I don't really care if a hex number is displayed in upper or > lower case. It is just my curiosity to find out how it is being done. > John Would it help if I'd say that I prefer to use form() for this ? ;-) The << overloading is supposed to make your life easier, not the other way around. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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City Of Toronto
by jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg＠public.gmane.org 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

> On December 27, 2003 01:23 pm, Howard Gibson wrote: > > > I suspect that if you install the latest version of Linux onto these old > > machines, you will teach a bunch of people to hate Linux. A clever > > administrator may get these machines to work efficiently, but new machines > > are probably easier and more reliable, Linux or no Linux. > > Desktop installs are a waste of time for any organization of significant size. > For thin client installs older PCs (probably even 486s) are more than capable > of running the latest and greatest stuff, you just run the heavy stuff on the > server. I second that. I have a Pentium120 (!!!) Laptop with 16 (!!!) megs of Ram. I loaded Slack, bare X, and VNC, and thin client into my Desktop. Sure runs nice and smooth. Won't be able to play video clips and MP3s, but hey, we're talking about government computers here. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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City Of Toronto
by opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA＠public.gmane.org 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

On Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 11:05:03AM -0500, Phillip Mills wrote: > Anyone feel like proposing an actual plan of attack we can all throw > darts at? :-) These kind of thing is best discussed over beer. Any meeting place you guys have in mind? If it's downtown, then somewhere TTC friendly... -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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City Of Toronto
by fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

On December 27, 2003 01:23 pm, Howard Gibson wrote: > I suspect that if you install the latest version of Linux onto these old > machines, you will teach a bunch of people to hate Linux. A clever > administrator may get these machines to work efficiently, but new machines > are probably easier and more reliable, Linux or no Linux. Desktop installs are a waste of time for any organization of significant size. For thin client installs older PCs (probably even 486s) are more than capable of running the latest and greatest stuff, you just run the heavy stuff on the server. -- Fraser Campbell <fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org> http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Formatting in C++ (fwd)
by wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q＠public.gmane.org 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

On December 27, 2003 05:42 am, Peter L. Peres wrote: > setf is in ios:: Maybe your implementation has it elsewhere. C++ is an > interesting beast when it comes to portability ... you can try to find the > definition by doing something like: > > (cd /usr/include; grep -E "[ \t]ios::ios" g++/*.h) > > which yields ios::ios in <g++/streambuf.h> on my system. > This turns out to be a real paper chase. I have included <iostream>, <iomanip> <inttypes.h> and a few more. With this, there should not be any more need to hunt down where 'setf' is located. Neither should there be any need to find where the fmtflags are or where ios happens to be. Any conceivable header file related to have "uppercase" working is included in the above header files. This tread has produced a lot of suggestions, some restricted to simple words like <iostream>, std::cout.setf ,<ios>, etc, or suggestions to read some books. What is really missing is the correct syntax of how to make "hex uppercase" work. Fundamentally I don't really care if a hex number is displayed in upper or lower case. It is just my curiosity to find out how it is being done. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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City Of Toronto
by hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ＠public.gmane.org 27 Dec '03

27 Dec '03

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 08:08:49 -0500 Phillip Mills <pmills-5bG9SNWDbRX3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org> wrote: > I haven't noticed any messages lately about efforts to get a Linux > foothold at the City of Toronto. Anyone interested should read an > article on page A14 of this morning's Globe & Mail. > > Quote: > "The city's problem is that 14,000 of its 17,500 computers are of 1999 > vintage or older, which means that the operating system they run on is > Microsoft Windows NT, a program which the software company will no > longer support after some time next year, and they do not have the > capacity to run on the next generation of software, Windows XP, which > the city plans to switch to." > > Tortured grammar aside, how many things "wrong" can *you* find in that > sentence? :-) Phillip, My 1998 computer works okay as long as I do not launch KDE. I have added a lot of RAM since I bought the thing, 64MB to 256MB. My second hand laptop has 64MB of RAM. I am running Red Hat 8 on both machines. I am here to tell you that 64MB is not enough for Red Hat 8. If I cannot get more than 64MB into the laptop, this will be its final upgrade. I suspect that if you install the latest version of Linux onto these old machines, you will teach a bunch of people to hate Linux. A clever administrator may get these machines to work efficiently, but new machines are probably easier and more reliable, Linux or no Linux. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howard-42qnO8ePF9cV+D8aMU/kSg at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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