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TLUG vs Sympatico
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 13 Aug '03

13 Aug '03

On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Actually you can use multiple dsl providers at the same time and select > based on the pppoe parameters you set. Your line is either DSL enabled > or it isn't, there is no choice of which equipment it plugs into. That > is the whole reason they use pppoe in the first place. It is to select > the other end of your tunnel. Isn't the DSLAM programmed to forward your stream to a certain IP, and there only ? I think it is. The end of the tunnel is not at the telco, it is the internet provider. You cannot 'go elsewhere' in-between, regardless of what pppoe or other programs try to do. Because there is no 'elsewhere' to go to. The DSLAM provides a point to point connection from your phone number's associated DSL interface at the telco to the provider. I have also never heard of someone being subscribed with more than one DSL provider on one phone line. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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TLUG vs Sympatico
by awh-z32R3RYGf1M＠public.gmane.org 13 Aug '03

13 Aug '03

On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 04:04:56PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > So as far as I can see it, you are either connected to the big DSLAM > with everybody else in the area or you are not, and which provider you > get depends on the PPPoE settings. Otherwise why would you have to > include the provider in the PPPoE settings at all? I think that at least Sympatico is (or was) on different DSLAM hardware than the other ISPs that use Nexxia are. Something about the differences in the implementation of ATM on the card. I don't know much more than that, as I'm not an expert. So switching between Sympatico and a private ISP might indeed be a problem, but switching between private ISP's should (as I will find out firsthand on August 22nd). - awh -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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TLUG vs Sympatico
by lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys＠public.gmane.org 13 Aug '03

13 Aug '03

On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 09:40:01PM +0300, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > Actually you can use multiple dsl providers at the same time and select > > based on the pppoe parameters you set. Your line is either DSL enabled > > or it isn't, there is no choice of which equipment it plugs into. That > > is the whole reason they use pppoe in the first place. It is to select > > the other end of your tunnel. > > Isn't the DSLAM programmed to forward your stream to a certain IP, and > there only ? I think it is. The end of the tunnel is not at the telco, it > is the internet provider. You cannot 'go elsewhere' in-between, regardless > of what pppoe or other programs try to do. Because there is no 'elsewhere' > to go to. The DSLAM provides a point to point connection from your phone > number's associated DSL interface at the telco to the provider. I have > also never heard of someone being subscribed with more than one DSL > provider on one phone line. Well when a friend of mine tried to subscribe to DSL.ca and after two weeks still hadn't got a modem and gave up and went on to EOL.ca the line had already been digital service enabled, so when he picked up the modem from EOL, plugged it in and filled in the settings from EOL, it worked right away. Then two days later it stopped, and he called EOL who said they were still waiting for bell to activate the service and that as far as they were concerned he didn't have service yet and were not yet billing him. A few days later the order from EOL went through at bell and they reconnected the line to the DSLAM and it started working again. So as far as I can see it, you are either connected to the big DSLAM with everybody else in the area or you are not, and which provider you get depends on the PPPoE settings. Otherwise why would you have to include the provider in the PPPoE settings at all? Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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TLUG vs Sympatico
by kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w＠public.gmane.org 13 Aug '03

13 Aug '03

> Isn't the DSLAM programmed to forward your stream to a certain IP, and > there only ? I think it is. The end of the tunnel is not at the telco, > it is the internet provider. You cannot 'go elsewhere' in-between, > regardless of what pppoe or other programs try to do. Because there is > no 'elsewhere' to go to. The DSLAM provides a point to point connection > from your phone number's associated DSL interface at the telco to the > provider. I have also never heard of someone being subscribed with more > than one DSL provider on one phone line. That's basically been my experience too. I do a lot of dsl setups or changeovers from sympatico/aibn and have not yet been able to get the downtime to less than 4 days. The providers always say that Bell needs to provision the line for digital for their system rather than just switch from one provider to another, so this suggests to me that the end point for the ppp is the gateway at the provider. As for having more than one provider on the same line, never heard of it, although I have had 2 lines sharing the same account info when moving. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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GTA-BUG/TLUG meeting time conflict?
by adam-+Gnyv3l5ckaNFgfkp0FINA＠public.gmane.org 13 Aug '03

13 Aug '03

Hey, I was at the TLUG meeting last night (my second one) and there were a few of us who expressed interest in attending both TLUG and GTA-BUG but there is an obvious scheduling conflict. What's up with this? There are 28-31 days/month -- surely this conflict can be resolved. Regards, Adam -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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OT: Source for 72pin RAM
by fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 13 Aug '03

13 Aug '03

On August 12, 2003 11:45 pm, Keith Mastin wrote: > > Anyone know of stores that still sell 72pin ram? Looking for 128MB, can > > be 2x64 or 1x128. > > If your board can handle 5.5V, I have 4 64MB chips around here somewhere. > They're yours if you can use them. Thanks for the offer Keith, and to everyone else for their suggestions ... we've tracked some RAM down and it's now installed. -- Fraser Campbell <fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org> http://www.wehave.net/ Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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OT: Source for 72pin RAM
by kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w＠public.gmane.org 13 Aug '03

13 Aug '03

> Anyone know of stores that still sell 72pin ram? Looking for 128MB, can > be 2x64 or 1x128. If your board can handle 5.5V, I have 4 64MB chips around here somewhere. They're yours if you can use them. -- Keith Mastin BeechTree Information Technology Services Inc. Toronto, Canada (416)696 6070 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Learning PHP
by sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g＠public.gmane.org 13 Aug '03

13 Aug '03

> > Sorry about the delay responding to this - way up north for six days :) > ------------------- > Andrew Malcolmson No problem Andrew, Thanks for posting it. I just got back from way up north as well, I was up in Chapleau doing some scanning (thousands of charts for a hospital) for about a week and am probably going back for a week of more "work". I.e. Fishing, boating and relaxation :) Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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TLUG vs Sympatico
by awh-z32R3RYGf1M＠public.gmane.org 12 Aug '03

12 Aug '03

On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 05:55:54PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > It is possible that when you disconnect sympatico they will order > disconnect even though you now have service with another provider. > Perhaps the new provider will have some method of ensuring they don't do > so. Ask them, since I imagine it is a common question that they > probably have the answer to. As long as you get your disconnection number and disconnection date from Sympatico, you can give these to your new ISP and they will put something on the order for the DSLAM so that the disconnect and the connect will happen at the same date. - awh -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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TLUG vs Sympatico
by lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys＠public.gmane.org 12 Aug '03

12 Aug '03

On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 10:44:19AM -0400, Keith Mastin wrote: > Unfortunately, this doesn't work unless you have 2 unique PICs. I run into > this all the time. Bell pulls the DSLAM on directions from Sympatico and > then plugs another one in on direction from the new provider. You might be > able to get it down to 4 days if you have an insider at Bell, but I > wouldn't count on it. > > Sometimes, you just have to bite the bullet. Actually you can use multiple dsl providers at the same time and select based on the pppoe parameters you set. Your line is either DSL enabled or it isn't, there is no choice of which equipment it plugs into. That is the whole reason they use pppoe in the first place. It is to select the other end of your tunnel. It is possible that when you disconnect sympatico they will order disconnect even though you now have service with another provider. Perhaps the new provider will have some method of ensuring they don't do so. Ask them, since I imagine it is a common question that they probably have the answer to. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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