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Help rebuilding Redhat 9 rpm database
by waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw＠public.gmane.org 24 Aug '03

24 Aug '03

My other machine, a 4-year-old Dell of mine, runs OK except that the harddrive has recently begun showing more bad blocks than than a Toronto Argonauts highlight reel. So I went and bought a new drive. I RTFM'd and set the jumper to Master and swapped drives. Then I thought I'd try putting Redhat 9 on the system while I was at it. The install went OK, and the check for bad blocks didn't find anything. I decided to remove Postfix as the mail agent and replace it with ssmtp. Then rpm whined about how mutt depended on Postfix. I did a --nodeps removal of Postfix, and rpm froze. I popped open another tty and killed rpm. Then I tried rebuilding the rpm database from scratch. Two hours ago, I did "rpm -vv --initdb". The response on the screen was... D: opening db environment /var/lib/rpm/Packages joinenv D: opening db index /var/lib/rpm/Packages create mode=0x42 Nothing further since then. Is this a long process on a 450 mhz machine, or are things so badly hosed that I should re-install ? -- Walter Dnes <waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org> Email users are divided into two classes; 1) Those who have effective spam-blocking 2) Those who wish they did -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SCO has valid case
by kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w＠public.gmane.org 24 Aug '03

24 Aug '03

> I did not get the impression SCO was trying to drag down the Linux name > especially as a "past time" but rather they are moving to protect their > IP (Intellectual Property) in the very same manner the music industry > has been doing. (ie.Napster) They seem adamant about their current > holdings (UNIX) and are trying to enforce their legal rights. SCO's > assertion is that IBM (as a company, not rogue employees) did knowingly > introduce AIX code to Linux licensed from the > SCO/Novell/AT&T agreement. SCOX (Nasdaq $13.55) is a tiny company > approx. 350 employees & current market cap 100M++ now that their stock > price has increased from below one dollar a year ago. They were almost > delisted. SCO has an impressive team of professionals working on all > aspects of this case. I'm amazed that you can hit the nail on the head and still miss it entirely. The stocks are up, the main shareholders can cash out without losing their shirts (provided they have the legalities in place first). All the rest is snakeoil and red herrings. These are suits, not geeks, making all the noise here. Their priorities are all $$ related. > SCO is not a group of "stupid idiots" as many seem to think they are. > I'm amazed no one on the list server with advanced programming skills > took the time to go to Vegas to try to get to the bottom of things or at > the very least to hear SCO's side and grill them on the spot. They were > all there answering any and all questions. At least no one else on the > list server has spoken out yet about their trip to SCOForum yet. Hell > I'm almost sorry I said anything now. There was nothing going on in Vegas that was worth the trip. SCO wanted to present their case in the court of public opinion to scare you even more. Seems like they succeeded. If you trust the SCO executive that much, put your $$ where your mouth is... buy some non-voting shares of SCOX and hold them for say... a year after this is all over? I believe in them so much that I sold all my Caldera shares 3 hours after the IPO happened. 2 hours more and I would have lost a good chunk of it. > I UNDERSTAND substantial code exists above and beyond the powerpoint > presentation however SCO is not prepared to release it publicly...yet. > Don't dump on me. I support the Linux effort with great enthusiasm since > it began but need to have options for different customers. I'm as > adversely affected by all this the same as others in the industry. I > don't need more FUD in my life. I was working with 3.5, 3.51, NT when it > first arrived. I sure did'nt need that CRAP in my life > especially when Novell had (what I considered) to be rock solid > technology at the time. I welcome all comments. Nothing like a great > brainstorming session to liven things up. Your understanding seems to be informed by one side of the case. By this point, everything SCO releases or says if controlled by shysters. Choose to believe them if you want. It's interesting to see the fallout of all this unravelling. Those who are interested enough in SCO's side of the story seems to be wavering under the onslaught of FUD. The question is will the numbers be sufficient to keep SCO alive beyond the court case, or will they sell out to someone else (in Redmond?) [insert suspicious movie music here] ? BTW... and this is entirely speculation... what happens to software if the copyright owner is defunct? It's not like SCO is going to leave a will or an estate. Is it at this point that M$ buys the ...what? ...copyrights? ...SCO? outright for nothing in a short stock trade? Remember this? http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,110794,00.asp Is any of this making any sense yet? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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debian/woody powrpc + /dev/lp* + serial port: /dev/ttyS1 + powrup self-test ?
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 24 Aug '03

24 Aug '03

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Max Blanco wrote: > Yet when I do > # cat > /dev/ttyS1 > The quick brown fox. > <ctrl-d> > > nothing comes out the printhead. Yes, I do have it "online". No, I > haven't ever had it work with the macos: I am unable (terminally) to work > with iconic macos. It may need a page flush to start moving. > Any suggestions? > > Does Imagewriter II have a powerup self-test in eeprom (like various HP > devices I've known?) If so, how do I gain access? Most (all) intelligent printers have one (winprinters aren't intelligent). Try to hold the button(s) down while cycling the power. Hold them for at least 5 seconds. Try different combinations or look on the internet for more data. > PS If anyone has a working /etc/printcap for a serial port mac printer, > I'd appreciate you posting it. I am sure that you will find one on the net. The 68k Linux users must have managed this a long time ago. FYI the most often encountered nonworking peripheral problem is a bad cable. If you see that things do not behave as they should try another cable first, then everything else. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SCO has valid case
by kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w＠public.gmane.org 24 Aug '03

24 Aug '03

> It's my opinion that SCO is hoping for a settlement and never wants to > go to court. Lots of people sue with the hope of getting paid off > because it is cheaper for the defendant to handout the money then to > defend itself. This is entirely possible. It could also be that they don't intend on the case actually going to trial at all, or to settle. They've made enough noise to raise their stocks and cash out with the publicity that this entire fiasco has generated. The other interesting angle is the M$ stakes in this. They are nicely isolated from the heat yet stand to win whichever way this goes. And since sales, marketing and licensing is M$'s biggest virtue, this smells like there may be more of a relationship here than is known about in public circles. Proof is impossible though. > I think this has from the very beginning been a bluff from a very > desperate company. The shenanigan with SCO issuing stocks and then SCO > executives cashing in smells really bad. The Caldera IPO was a farce too. It was 3 months late and a few dollars short in comparison to the Redhat IPO a few months earlier. They couldn't get their paperwork together and when they did it was sus-standard. If they have the same degree of proficiency in preparing for court they will have a hard time of it. > The issuing of licenses appears to nothing more than FUD. Or the hope of a quick cash grab as a result? Same thing... > SCO has alienated just about everyone imaginable, and the SCO execs are > looking for early retirement. Now that they've ruined their careers, they have little choice unless they want to change careers (hopefully to one that requires one to recite "would you like fries with that sir?" a few dozen times a day. > Of course this is just my opinion :) Yeah, too bad they don't ask us to settle the matter :) -- Keith Mastin BeechTree Information Technology Services Inc. Toronto, Canada (416)696 6070 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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debian/woody powrpc + /dev/lp* + serial port: /dev/ttyS1 + powrup self-test ?
by blanco-S8qYAnHmZTt34ZA5RureAJ4VBq8PJc8F＠public.gmane.org 24 Aug '03

24 Aug '03

I now have the modem working fine on my lnux powrmac. The next problem is the printer port. Mac doesn't have a parallel prt, apparently; they use the serial port instead. I have identified it as /dev/ttyS1, courtesy of "dmesg | grep tty", and "setserial /dev/ttyS1", which match irq and hex address. I have an ostensibly working Imagewriter II. (It goes through the powrup tests and behaves as expected.) Yet when I do # cat > /dev/ttyS1 The quick brown fox. <ctrl-d> nothing comes out the printhead. Yes, I do have it "online". No, I haven't ever had it work with the macos: I am unable (terminally) to work with iconic macos. Any suggestions? Does Imagewriter II have a powerup self-test in eeprom (like various HP devices I've known?) If so, how do I gain access? PS If anyone has a working /etc/printcap for a serial port mac printer, I'd appreciate you posting it. TIA, max. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SCO.com and Caldera.com dead?
by emir-rdkfGonbjUTTQjIoRn/dzw＠public.gmane.org 24 Aug '03

24 Aug '03

Paul Osman wrote: > On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Madison Kelly wrote: > > >>Hi all, >> >> I know there was a thread on SCO so this may already have been >>pointed out but if so, I missed it. It looks like the SCO and Caldera >>websites are gone and have been for several hours now. Curiously, it >>follows after two days of steady rise in SCOX share price. A rumour we >>didn't know about? >> >>Madison >> > > > I wonder what their customers think now that they can't even access their > website. Fucking losers... honestly. ...and by "customers" I assume you mean "defendents"? -- Emir. "If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now." [Zaphod Beeblebrox] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SCO has valid case
by posman-FfUIX6OOeZE＠public.gmane.org 24 Aug '03

24 Aug '03

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > The more I read from you the better the other guys are looking in > terms of business partners. I'm sure happy I don't have to work with > you. What happened? Mama put you on the toilet seat the wrong way > around? > RickT > > If you kick every yappy dog on the way to town...you'll never get > there. Bark Bark Amir > Okay, first off, don't top post. It's annoying for those of us who want to actually read the thread. Second off, if you are going to respond to someone's post, please make note of the spelling of their name... it's "Emir"; not "Amir" you imbecile. Third off, if you're going to participate in "flame wars", at least make it worth our while... "Mama put you on the toilet seat the wrong way around?" ... extremely lame you fucking moron. -- Paul Osman paul-FfUIX6OOeZE at public.gmane.org http://perl.eval.ca "Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes." - E.W. Dijkstra -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SCO.com and Caldera.com dead?
by posman-FfUIX6OOeZE＠public.gmane.org 24 Aug '03

24 Aug '03

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I know there was a thread on SCO so this may already have been > pointed out but if so, I missed it. It looks like the SCO and Caldera > websites are gone and have been for several hours now. Curiously, it > follows after two days of steady rise in SCOX share price. A rumour we > didn't know about? > > Madison > I wonder what their customers think now that they can't even access their website. Fucking losers... honestly. -- Paul Osman paul-FfUIX6OOeZE at public.gmane.org http://perl.eval.ca "Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes." - E.W. Dijkstra -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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SCO has valid case
by rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg＠public.gmane.org 23 Aug '03

23 Aug '03

The more I read from you the better the other guys are looking in terms of business partners. I'm sure happy I don't have to work with you. What happened? Mama put you on the toilet seat the wrong way around? RickT If you kick every yappy dog on the way to town...you'll never get there. Bark Bark Amir On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 22:34:24 -0400, Emir <emir-rdkfGonbjUTTQjIoRn/dzw at public.gmane.org> wrote : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > | I did not get the impression SCO was trying to drag down the Linux > | name especially as a "past time" but rather they are moving to protect > | their IP (Intellectual Property) in the very same manner the music > | industry has been doing. (ie.Napster) They seem adamant about their > | current holdings (UNIX) and are trying to enforce their legal rights. > > That's OK, we've already concluded beyond reasonable doubt that your power of > perception is somewhat lesser than your skills in web design. Nevertheless, it > is telling that you draw parallel between SCO and RIAA. > > | SCO's assertion is that IBM (as a company, not rogue employees) did > | knowingly introduce AIX code to Linux licensed from the > | SCO/Novell/AT&T agreement. SCOX (Nasdaq $13.55) is a tiny company > | approx. 350 employees & current market cap 100M++ now that their stock > | price has increased from below one dollar a year ago. They were almost > | delisted. > > I can't make head or tail from this paragraph. What exactly are you trying to > say here? What's SCO's assertion on what IBM has and hasn't done got to do > with SCO's market cap? > > | SCO has an impressive team of professionals working on all aspects of this case. > > How exactly did you come to this conclusion? Did you meet these fine people? > How exactly are you so well versed with their expertise and experience? > > | SCO is not a group of "stupid idiots" as many seem to think they are. > > Actually, they are. They're running a scam for someone else (hint: big company > in northwest USA whose latest desktop operating systems allows people to fly, > at least in commercials), hoping to cash in in the process. They certainly > have been so far (looking at the stock dumping their execs have exercised over > the past few weeks), but it's gonna end sooner or later, because they'll > eventually have to show some evidence. They have pissed off the wrong group of > people who will want to see them pay for it. And pay they will, no doubt. > > | I'm amazed no one on the list server with advanced programming skills > | took the time to go to Vegas to try to get to the bottom of things or > | at the very least to hear SCO's side and grill them on the spot. They > | were all there answering any and all questions. At least no one else > | on the list server has spoken out yet about their trip to SCOForum > | yet > > I almost did, but then I realized that wiping my ass with those crisp $20 bills > would actually be money better spent. I quickly backed off, though, as those > greenbacks leave nasty abrasions. > > | Hell I'm almost sorry I said anything now. > > That's OK, you just probably never heard of the saying "when you have nothing > intelligent to say, better not say anything at all" or "better to have people > *think* you're stupid than say something and remove all doubt". You live, you > learn, eh? > > | I UNDERSTAND substantial code exists above and beyond the powerpoint > | presentation however SCO is not prepared to release it publicly...yet. > > You're really beginning to sound more and more like a shill. What's with > "yet"? Darl "The Annointed One" McBride has been rather adamant that they're > not gonna release any "proof" in public, so who are you to insinuate they may > do so in future? > > | Don't dump on me. > > Why not? I'd pay you good money... > > | I support the Linux effort with great enthusiasm > | since it began but need to have options for different customers. I'm > | as adversely affected by all this the same as others in the industry. > > Who's adversely affected? As far as Linux adoption is concerned, it has only > picked up, not slowed down. Linux users cannot possibly be affected by this, > as they can never be asked to pay license fees for alleged copyright violation. > ~ Eben Moglen, Professor of Law at Columbia made an analogy of newspaper readers > being forced to pay fees for reading an article in the newspaper that was > violating copyright of another paper. > > Of course, there's nothing in your posts thus far that would lead me to believe > you'd actually be able to see the idiocy of such a scenario, as you seem to > have accepted all other idiocies served to you. > > | I don't need more FUD in my life. I was working with 3.5, 3.51, NT > | when it first arrived. I sure did'nt need that CRAP in my life > | especially when Novell had (what I considered) to be rock solid > | technology at the time. I welcome all comments. > > Oh, that's cute, you're trying to score some points with the readers of this > list by throwing cheap shots at WinNT, hoping it'll stick coz we all know Linux > users are MS haters... > > | Nothing like a great brainstorming session to liven things up. > > I think you're confused by terminology here, "brainstorm" is not the same as > "brainfart". > > I think SCO has underestimated this forum's collective intellect when they > hired you to shill it. If I was SCO Purchasing Officer, I'd ask for my money back. > > > - -- > Emir. > > "If there's anything more important than my ego around, > ~ I want it caught and shot now." [Zaphod Beeblebrox] > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQE/SCQwuSy542G+Z7QRAjZJAKCBC9UfjW2PYnFXOufv/UXFQbi7WACdEZwg > 6y3c25Rpk2Zk2R0A8p8Vss0= > =o0cC > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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SCO.com and Caldera.com dead?
by linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ＠public.gmane.org 23 Aug '03

23 Aug '03

Hi all, I know there was a thread on SCO so this may already have been pointed out but if so, I missed it. It looks like the SCO and Caldera websites are gone and have been for several hours now. Curiously, it follows after two days of steady rise in SCOX share price. A rumour we didn't know about? Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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