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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA＠public.gmane.org 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 11:42:45PM -0500, JoeHill wrote: > Seriously, though, when did Real have a *chance* to compete? They > don't have the opportunity to bundle their software with an OS, as MS > does (despite the fact they've been told *not* to do this for several > years now). Nobody forced Real to go into business. Who knows, maybe, Real is under pressure to justify their failure, and are trying to deflect attention away from their own incompetence and inadequacy. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA＠public.gmane.org 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 11:26:38PM -0500, DanG wrote: > Somehow when a company owns 98% of the desktop OS market and leverages > that to distribute "free" software as a bundle with their OSes to take > out competition, I hardly call that a level playing field. Do you > remember the browser wars with Netscape and the numerous other > companies who formed technology partnerships and got swallowed up? Netscape never had intention of going retail or competing with Microsoft. Their goal was stock price. > I think these antitrust suits looks good on Microsoft and it's > monopoly practices. What they did to all those competitors is either > buy them out Microsoft bought, because the other side was selling. > or bundle them out or hide programming interfaces to > competitors because they had the financial resources and monopoly to > do so. Windows is owned Microsoft, not Microsoft's competitors. > I hope Real and the numerous states that are still filing > anti-trust suits in the US get a good whack of cash. We all know Bill > has enough for everyone, if he can give SCO cash then I say everyone > hold your hands out. :-) RealNetwork is like after-market car radio company that is suing GM because GM has the arrogance to put radio in all GM cars, thereby shutting out after-market radio companies. When will these commie diarrhoea end? -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:26:38 -0500 "DanG" <dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org> wrote: > to distribute "free" software as a bundle with their OSes Oh, but see, it's not called "software" anymore, it's called "features" or "enhancements" ;-) It's like, a total "XPerience", d00d. -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "If the Americans go in and overthrow Saddam Hussein and it's clean, he has nothing, I will apologize to the nation, and I will not trust the Bush Administration again, all right?"-- Bill O'Reilly, March 18, 2003 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:10:45 -0500 William Park <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> wrote: > Cry babies... RealNetworks lost out in competition. Oh, William, yer so cute. >From all the available evidence, "Microsoft" and "competition" have never met, though, strangely enough, MS likes to proclaim its dedication to this concept whenever someone threatens its monopoly ;-) Seriously, though, when did Real have a *chance* to compete? They don't have the opportunity to bundle their software with an OS, as MS does (despite the fact they've been told *not* to do this for several years now). IANAL, but the legal precedent is certainly there. The EU, the US DOJ, and several US states have all declared MS an illegal monopoly. Real is losing because it was impossible to compete, not because they were ineffective at doing so. -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone."-- John Maynard Keynes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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High-Availability
by drew-vnkfHpbZfesgsBAKwltoeQ＠public.gmane.org 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

LVS + keepalived will solve the problem you described below. What are your scalability needs / availability needs that you require such a heavy duty solution? What I would suggest is that unless you really do need very high performance and scalability, simply go with a pair of servers and use VRRP (supported under keepalived) to provide a redundant IP. Then mirror data between master and slave filesystems using either CODA or whatever other approach suits you. This is not true HA, but should be sufficient for most needs. Drew 86% of respondents agree: Reply-to munging is ignorant and rude. Madison Kelly wrote: > Thank you for the leads! > > Madison > > DanG wrote: > >> LVS is a very good software package that is constantly under >> development and >> use. linux-ha.org works with LVS collaboratively. >> http://oscar.openclustergroup.org/tiki-index.php OSCAR is another open >> source project for cluster builds you should look at. If you want an >> easy >> cluster to setup and administer I would look at ClusterKnoppix which is >> based on the Knoppix liveCD with OpenMosix clustering integrated. This >> should make for a pretty easy install/setup >> http://bofh.be/clusterknoppix/ >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of Madison >> Kelly >> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 1:56 PM >> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >> Subject: [TLUG]: High-Availability >> >> Hi all, >> >> I am working on developing a small cluster of servers and I was (am) >> looking at LVS (Linux Virtual Server) and it -seems-- to be able to do >> exactly what I want. That is; create a server cluster transparent to the >> user for hosting mail, web, file serving and LAN authentication. >> >> Why I am posting though is that most of the pages off of >> http://linux-ha.org seem to be a few years out. Am I missing any more >> modern >> options, by chance? Does anyone have any general comments or >> suggestions for >> what I am trying to do? >> >> Thanks!! >> >> Madison > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

Somehow when a company owns 98% of the desktop OS market and leverages that to distribute "free" software as a bundle with their OSes to take out competition, I hardly call that a level playing field. Do you remember the browser wars with Netscape and the numerous other companies who formed technology partnerships and got swallowed up? I think these antitrust suits looks good on Microsoft and it's monopoly practices. What they did to all those competitors is either buy them out or bundle them out or hide programming interfaces to competitors because they had the financial resources and monopoly to do so. I hope Real and the numerous states that are still filing anti-trust suits in the US get a good whack of cash. We all know Bill has enough for everyone, if he can give SCO cash then I say everyone hold your hands out. :-) -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of William Park Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:11 PM To: TLUG Subject: Re: [TLUG]: When will the persecution of MS *end*?! On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 08:22:23PM -0500, JoeHill wrote: > > "Microsoft Corp. was hit Thursday with yet another antitrust lawsuit, > this one accusing the software giant of illegally monopolizing the > growing field of digital music and video. > > RealNetworks Inc. said Microsoft illegally tied its Windows Media > Player software with copies of the ubiquitous Windows operating > system, whether Windows users want Microsoft's player or not." > > Link: > > http://www.salon.com/tech/wire/2003/12/18/microsoft/index.html Cry babies... RealNetworks lost out in competition. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA＠public.gmane.org 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 08:22:23PM -0500, JoeHill wrote: > > "Microsoft Corp. was hit Thursday with yet another antitrust lawsuit, > this one accusing the software giant of illegally monopolizing the > growing field of digital music and video. > > RealNetworks Inc. said Microsoft illegally tied its Windows Media > Player software with copies of the ubiquitous Windows operating > system, whether Windows users want Microsoft's player or not." > > Link: > > http://www.salon.com/tech/wire/2003/12/18/microsoft/index.html Cry babies... RealNetworks lost out in competition. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Waaaay offtopic
by joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:40:15 -0500 Chris Keelan <rufmetal-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org> wrote: > > I'd rather make out with Steve Ballmer than go through > > that again. > > Ka-ching! > > Instant .sig file. > > Howze it feel to be immortal? ;o) LOL! Feels good, I'm sure my Mom would be proud :-P -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged."-- Noam Chomsky -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Waaaay offtopic
by rufmetal-MwcKTmeKVNQ＠public.gmane.org 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:31:13 -0500 JoeHill <joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org> wrote: > I'd rather make out with Steve Ballmer than go through > that again. Ka-ching! Instant .sig file. Howze it feel to be immortal? ;o) ~ C -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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music collection to ogg vorbis ?
by jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/＠public.gmane.org 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

I am currently using a rimps server in my house to serve all my mp3's and ogg files via a web interface. works great. You can edit the tags, delete, upload, create playlists ETC, all remotely. User access can be restricted to just playing & searches so content cannot be accidentally removed. My kids love it, as all their favourite singers or groups are available anywhere in the house, even outside via wireless. http://rimps.sourceforge.net/ current is 3b3 I use my browser to access the server then the steams open in my choice of player. ( xmms of course ) Definitely good use for an old pc. Oliver Meyn wrote: > On Wed, 2003-12-17 at 11:50, Taavi Burns wrote: > >>On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 11:42:43AM -0500, Lloyd Budd wrote: >> >>>What is an efficient way to achieve the ripping (+tag) under Linux? >> >>IIRC grip will snag disc info from freedb and rip with your choice >>of filename and filled out ID3 tag, direclty to your favourite >>format for which there exists a CLI encoder. >> > > > If you have a big enough collection to warrant it, the grip guy has also > written ddj which is a dbase frontend for all the info grip (optionally) > sticks into a mysql dbase. It's missing some key features (eg text > search) but it'll do til I write my own :) Note it also allows you to > pick your favourite command line player. > > Cheers, > Oliver > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/(a)public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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