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VPN question
by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 20 Dec '03

20 Dec '03

Justin Zygmont wrote: > On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, James Knott wrote: > > >>Justin Zygmont wrote: >> >>>Just a thought about VPN's and a hope to get back on topic to fun linux >>>things, I was wondering if anyone knows why an encrypted VPN is so >>>important using a phone line when it's usually just a point to point link >>>with no chance of interception? >> >>Why do you think a phone line has no chance of interception? Phone >>lines have been tapped for years. It is very easy to do, if you know how. > > > to intercept data transmission? I don't think so. I never heard of that > happening. > > You may not have heard of it happening, but it's easy to do. When you get a phone line, it goes to the central office, where there is plenty of equipment to monitor the connection. It isn't terribly difficult to plug in the appropriate equipment to monitor whatever is carried on the circuit. Also, in many homes there are line protectors mounted just outside the point where the cable enters the building. On the underside of many of those, is a pair of screw terminals, where someone could easily connect for tapping into your line. As far as getting the data, it was very easy in the days of 1200 bps and slower modems, but it's still not that difficult to do. For example, the source code for the Linux drivers for many "Winmodems" is available for download. It wouldn't be too hard for a competent programmer, to turn that modem into a monitor capable of intercepting V.92 modems etc. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 20 Dec '03

20 Dec '03

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, billt-l+PWtdWbHAuXFJAUJl40Xg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > ATT won 28 anti-trust law suits, and lost only one. > Standard Oil won 12 but lost only one. > > I think there is a pattern. Indeed. In the USA. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA＠public.gmane.org 20 Dec '03

20 Dec '03

On Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 12:56:41PM -0500, billt-l+PWtdWbHAuXFJAUJl40Xg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > If this is the same case I remember, GM was taken to court by a > conglomerate of after market radio manufacturers because they changed > the electrical connectors it used for the radio to a non-standard > connector that could only be purchased from GM. > > The ruling was that GM was using its control of the design and > manufacture of the cars in a monopolistic way. Maybe there were some other factors, like agreement between GM and supplier for standardization but GM changed its design unilaterally. GM changes car shape, design, parts, etc. And, I don't think GM has to get after-market companies' approval everytime. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Waaaay offtopic
by james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 20 Dec '03

20 Dec '03

Paul King wrote: > Date sent: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:40:29 -0500 > From: James Knott <james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org> > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Waaaay offtopic > Send reply to: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > >>Bottom line, is much of that so called "medicine" cannot show any >>benefit in comparitive tests. > > > I am not sure what side you are taking, but first, I would like you to give me > a "for instance" here. > > If an "alternative" medicine which people "say" works (anecdotal evidence, > which isn't worth much, but may provide basis for study), is proven to be of > benefit then it is no longer "alternative". To prove that something is of > benefit, you need placebo trials. I would imagine (without really providing > proof) that there are likely many medicines that have crossed this line. I'm on the same side as you. If you claim something has benefit, do the studies that show said benefit and don't forget to mention any risks that turn up. There are many standard medications, that came from natural remedies. The most obvious is Aspirin. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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VPN question
by jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b＠public.gmane.org 20 Dec '03

20 Dec '03

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, James Knott wrote: > Justin Zygmont wrote: > > Just a thought about VPN's and a hope to get back on topic to fun linux > > things, I was wondering if anyone knows why an encrypted VPN is so > > important using a phone line when it's usually just a point to point link > > with no chance of interception? > > Why do you think a phone line has no chance of interception? Phone > lines have been tapped for years. It is very easy to do, if you know how. to intercept data transmission? I don't think so. I never heard of that happening. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by billt-l+PWtdWbHAuXFJAUJl40Xg＠public.gmane.org 20 Dec '03

20 Dec '03

If this is the same case I remember, GM was taken to court by a conglomerate of after market radio manufacturers because they changed the electrical connectors it used for the radio to a non-standard connector that could only be purchased from GM. The ruling was that GM was using its control of the design and manufacture of the cars in a monopolistic way. Bill On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 08:53:07PM -0500, William Park wrote: > On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 06:52:59AM -0500, James Knott wrote: > > >RealNetwork is like after-market car radio company that is suing GM > > >because GM has the arrogance to put radio in all GM cars, thereby > > >shutting out after-market radio companies. > > > > Actually, that matter did go to court and the auto makers lost. > > What do you mean they lost? You mean GM can't sell red cars, because > that will shutout after-market companies selling red paints? > > -- > William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> > Linux solution for data management and processing. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Waaaay offtopic
by doug.isherwood-MwcKTmeKVNQ＠public.gmane.org 20 Dec '03

20 Dec '03

On Sat, 2003-12-20 at 09:45, Paul King wrote: > If an "alternative" medicine which people "say" works (anecdotal evidence, > which isn't worth much, but may provide basis for study), is proven to be of > benefit then it is no longer "alternative". To prove that something is of > benefit, you need placebo trials. I would imagine (without really providing > proof) that there are likely many medicines that have crossed this line. > A friend of mine has a great line in her signature: "The plural of anecdote is not data." Doug -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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Apache MP3s Web based players
by teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA＠public.gmane.org 20 Dec '03

20 Dec '03

I know of Sourceforge's RIMPS and NAMP. There maybe others Apache MP3 web based players/servers. I was wondering what experience TLUG users have with this. And in your opinion what is the best Apache MP3 player/server, easiest to configure and setup. caveats, security etc. I have Apache 2.048 and PHP 4.34, so the system is current. --------------------------------------------------------------- teddy mills http://www.vger.ca VGER directives...To collect...all that is collectable. To sell...all that is saleable.To merchandise...all that is merchandisable. Family Guys, Quagmire "allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll right" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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anti-spam spam...
by legrady-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA＠public.gmane.org 20 Dec '03

20 Dec '03

I was astounded yesterday, to receive a "Nigerian" style email from India .... Those darned Indians ... first they take our shoe factory jobs, then they take our programming jobs, they've replaced our MDs, now they're moving in on nigerian swindlers. And you thought MS was a threat to world peace! David J Patrick wrote: > JoeHill wrote: > >> Oh this is rich, this one made it through and I'm glad it did. Maybe >> it's just >> me but it had me nearly wetting myself: > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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When will the persecution of MS *end*?!
by billt-l+PWtdWbHAuXFJAUJl40Xg＠public.gmane.org 20 Dec '03

20 Dec '03

ATT won 28 anti-trust law suits, and lost only one. Standard Oil won 12 but lost only one. I think there is a pattern. Bill On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 11:26:38PM -0500, DanG wrote: > Somehow when a company owns 98% of the desktop OS market and leverages that > to distribute "free" software as a bundle with their OSes to take out > competition, I hardly call that a level playing field. Do you remember the > browser wars with Netscape and the numerous other companies who formed > technology partnerships and got swallowed up? I think these antitrust suits > looks good on Microsoft and it's monopoly practices. What they did to all > those competitors is either buy them out or bundle them out or hide > programming interfaces to competitors because they had the financial > resources and monopoly to do so. I hope Real and the numerous states that > are still filing anti-trust suits in the US get a good whack of cash. We all > know Bill has enough for everyone, if he can give SCO cash then I say > everyone hold your hands out. :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of William Park > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:11 PM > To: TLUG > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: When will the persecution of MS *end*?! > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 08:22:23PM -0500, JoeHill wrote: > > > > "Microsoft Corp. was hit Thursday with yet another antitrust lawsuit, > > this one accusing the software giant of illegally monopolizing the > > growing field of digital music and video. > > > > RealNetworks Inc. said Microsoft illegally tied its Windows Media > > Player software with copies of the ubiquitous Windows operating > > system, whether Windows users want Microsoft's player or not." > > > > Link: > > > > http://www.salon.com/tech/wire/2003/12/18/microsoft/index.html > > Cry babies... RealNetworks lost out in competition. > > -- > William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, <opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org> Linux > solution for data management and processing. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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