December 2003 - Legacy - lists.gtalug.org

[xawtv and webcam looping]
by mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ＠public.gmane.org 25 Dec '03

25 Dec '03

On Wednesday 24 December 2003 00:38, David J Patrick wrote: > GDHough wrote: > >On Monday 22 December 2003 11:08, David J Patrick wrote: > >>Have you considered http://gspy.sourceforge.net/ ? > >>gspy is designed for webcam based security and may offer fewer headaches Maybe, let's see... > >>YMMV > >>djp > > > >This looks worth a test run. I am curious as to how it builds the MPEG's. > > I would like a format playable on winboxes. The way I make the movies now > > will only work with mplayer on Linux. Example from man mencoder: > > > >mencoder \*jpeg -mf on:fps=25 -o output.avi -ovc lavrc > > > >...will put all the jpeg's in current directory into a single avi. Only > > thing is it isn't very 'seekable' (hourly only) I ain't sure yet how to > > use :vhq: and keyint= /etc. > > > >The odds of me catching a bike thief are slim compared to the risk I might > >learn something useful about my Linuxes. > > > >Thanks, > >farmer6re9 > > One of the cool things is that the image stream (video) is comprised of > only those frames that were different from the previous frame (motion) > resulting in surprisingly small files. It's too bad webcam doesn't loop, it also has the option TRIGGER = 1 for image comparison. > One less-than-cool thing is the seeming inactivity of the app, > with nothing in the changelog for over a year.. I won't have that problem with the puppy... > djp > Looking at this it is perfect for what I need. I just don't have the experience to build it. Even after I installed automake and autoconf it still poops out although very informatively so... V Please use AM_GNU_GETTEXT([external]) in order to cause autoconfiguration to look for an external libintl. Please create po/Makevars from the template in po/Makevars.template. You can then remove po/Makevars.template. Please run 'automake m4/Makefile' to create m4/Makefile.in Please run 'aclocal -I m4' to regenerate the aclocal.m4 file. You need aclocal from GNU automake 1.5 (or newer) to do this. Then run 'autoconf' to regenerate the configure file. Please remove intl/Makefile from the AC_OUTPUT or AC_CONFIG_FILES invocation in the configure.in file. You will also need config.guess and config.sub, which you can get from ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/config/. You might also want to copy the convenience header file gettext.h from the /usr/share/gettext directory into your package. It is a wrapper around <libintl.h> that implements the configure --disable-nls option. Press Return to acknowledge the previous 7 paragraphs. Making ./aclocal.m4 writable ... Running aclocal -I macros ... aclocal: configure.in: 17: macro `AM_PATH_GTK' not found in library Running autoheader... WARNING: Using auxiliary files such as `acconfig.h', `config.h.bot' WARNING: and `config.h.top', to define templates for `config.h.in' WARNING: is deprecated and discouraged. WARNING: Using the third argument of `AC_DEFINE' and WARNING: `AC_DEFINE_UNQUOTED' allows to define a template without WARNING: `acconfig.h': WARNING: AC_DEFINE([NEED_MAIN], 1, WARNING: [Define if a function `main' is needed.]) WARNING: More sophisticated templates can also be produced, see the WARNING: documentation. Running automake --gnu ... configure.in:4: your implementation of AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE comes from an configure.in:4: old Automake version. You should recreate aclocal.m4 configure.in:4: with aclocal and run automake again. configure.in: installing `./install-sh' configure.in: installing `./missing' aclocal.m4:1143: installing `./config.guess' aclocal.m4:1143: installing `./config.sub' Makefile.am: installing `./INSTALL' Makefile.am:3: AM_GNU_GETTEXT used but `intl' not in SUBDIRS src/Makefile.am: installing `./depcomp' automake: src/Makefile.am: Assembler source seen but `CCAS' not defined in `configure.in' automake: src/Makefile.am: Assembler source seen but `CCASFLAGS' not defined in `configure.in' /usr/share/automake-1.6/am/depend2.am: AMDEP does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL /usr/share/automake-1.6/am/depend2.am: AMDEP does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL /usr/share/automake-1.6/am/depend2.am: AMDEP does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL /usr/share/automake-1.6/am/lang-compile.am: AMDEP does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL Makefile.am:3: AM_GNU_GETTEXT used but `intl' not in SUBDIRS automake: src/Makefile.am: Assembler source seen but `CCAS' not defined in `configure.in' automake: src/Makefile.am: Assembler source seen but `CCASFLAGS' not defined in `configure.in' /usr/share/automake-1.6/am/depend2.am: AMDEP does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL /usr/share/automake-1.6/am/depend2.am: AMDEP does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL /usr/share/automake-1.6/am/depend2.am: AMDEP does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL /usr/share/automake-1.6/am/lang-compile.am: AMDEP does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL Running autoconf ... Running ./configure --enable-maintainer-mode --enable-compile-warnings ... checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking whether build environment is sane... yes checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes checking for working aclocal... found checking for working autoconf... found checking for working automake... found checking for working autoheader... found checking for working makeinfo... missing checking for gnome-config... no checking for gnomeConf.sh file in /usr/local/lib... not found configure: error: Could not find the gnomeConf.sh file that is generated by gnome-libs install I guess the first thing I'll need to do is figure out the what and Y4's of: AM_GNU_GETTEXT([external]) Thank You and Merry Christmas Everyone, farmer6re9 -- Eating Crow is better with MyCrowSauce -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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urpmi and apt-get
by joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 25 Dec '03

25 Dec '03

On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 00:26:26 -0500 Lloyd D Budd <lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ at public.gmane.org> wrote: > > However, today for example, I upgraded the kernel: > > > > urpmi --update kernel > > > > urpmi --update kernel-source > > > > then run the NVIDIA installer, and boom I'm up again, with LILO configured > > automagically. I'm hoping the new kernel (2.4.22-21) will prove more stable, > > but > > if it doesn't, is apt similar in it's "user friendliness"? > > apt-get is @ least as friendly. > > > Like when I update > > Apache, it's not going to require me to reconfigure, apt-get does the > > necessary > > fiddly bits for me? > It shouln't. > > > > I don't mind having to learn a bit more about the guts of my > > system, quite the contrary, but I'm not looking for *too* much of a leap, > > like > > Slack or Gentoo. > > The leap to Debian is no smaller than to Slack or Gentoo. Really? From what I've seen of people's experience with those two on other forums, it can be a real long hard road to getting a fully functioning system. As long as I can get CD burning and MPlayer workin', I'm happy. If you mean GUI config tools, I don't really use all those GUI tools that come with Mandrake anyway, I'm much more comfy at the CLI with configuration, so I can see what's going on in detail. The main thing I'm looking for is great package management and stability. I miss the old MDK 9.1 days, uptimes of 2 weeks or more were not unheard of... :-( -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Athens built the Acropolis. Corinth was a commercial city, interested in purely materialistic things. Today we admire Athens, visit it, preserve the old temples, yet we hardly ever set foot in Corinth."-- Dr. Harold Urey, Nobel Laureate in chemistry -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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urpmi and apt-get
by lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ＠public.gmane.org 24 Dec '03

24 Dec '03

On Wed, 2003-12-24 at 16:51, JoeHill wrote: > On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 16:20:17 -0500 > Fraser Campbell <fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org> wrote: > However, today for example, I upgraded the kernel: > > urpmi --update kernel > > urpmi --update kernel-source > > then run the NVIDIA installer, and boom I'm up again, with LILO configured > automagically. I'm hoping the new kernel (2.4.22-21) will prove more stable, but > if it doesn't, is apt similar in it's "user friendliness"? apt-get is @ least as friendly. > Like when I update > Apache, it's not going to require me to reconfigure, apt-get does the necessary > fiddly bits for me? It shouln't. > I don't mind having to learn a bit more about the guts of my > system, quite the contrary, but I'm not looking for *too* much of a leap, like > Slack or Gentoo. The leap to Debian is no smaller than to Slack or Gentoo. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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In the Dark with Midnight Commander
by mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ＠public.gmane.org 24 Dec '03

24 Dec '03

On December 24, 2003 01:40 pm, Justin Zygmont wrote: > i'm suprised that you are using an xterm to run mc in, myself being a dos > user, I use the virtual consoles. I use mc everyday, and i'd be at a > major loss without it. Well in an xterm one can run a much larger mc and see more of the bigger directories. Why change to a virtual console when the xterm ones work so well. Unless of course you don't run X and live in console mode. The years I used OS/2 were made easier with Dircopy, a Norton clone. But it wasn't cheap. I went from an 8 bit computer to a 386 with OS/2 as my first O.S. DOS and Win 3.10 were on the harddisk but I didn't like them since they were too restrictive after my years with OS-9 on the 8 biter, [ the real OS-9 not the Mac one ]. I never used Norton. I forget what distro I bought years ago that didn't include mc and I had the devil of a time getting the source and some lib that it needed. Everyone else before and after included it. It is so easy to copy, move files, change permissions etc, that it is my basic tool. Merry, merry -- Merv Curley Scarborough, Ont Libranet Linux 2.8 KDE 3.1.4 KMail 1.5.4 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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FYI on updated RPMs for redhat 7.3 (see note
by joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 24 Dec '03

24 Dec '03

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 16:20:17 -0500 Fraser Campbell <fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org> wrote: > Or run, don't walk, to http://www.debian.org/ and find out about an OS that's > been offering stability and rock-solid upgrade procedures for 10 years. It's getting more tempting. Mandrake 9.2 has *not* been very stable. Not to the point of something like XP, but not what I was used to with 9.1. However, today for example, I upgraded the kernel: urpmi --update kernel urpmi --update kernel-source then run the NVIDIA installer, and boom I'm up again, with LILO configured automagically. I'm hoping the new kernel (2.4.22-21) will prove more stable, but if it doesn't, is apt similar in it's "user friendliness"? Like when I update Apache, it's not going to require me to reconfigure, apt-get does the necessary fiddly bits for me? I don't mind having to learn a bit more about the guts of my system, quite the contrary, but I'm not looking for *too* much of a leap, like Slack or Gentoo. Just curious. Merry Christmas all! -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "There are three side effects of acid: enhanced long-term memory, decreased short-term memory, and I forget the third."-- Timothy Leary -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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FYI on updated RPMs for redhat 7.3 (see note
by joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg＠public.gmane.org 24 Dec '03

24 Dec '03

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 16:20:17 -0500 Fraser Campbell <fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org> wrote: > There was a group of people claiming that they would support 7.3 I just can't > find the link right now, perhaps it didn't get anywhere. Anyone know the > project? I believe that was Progeny, the same people who are porting Anaconda for Debian. http://arstechnica.com/etc/linux/2003/linux.ars-12092003.html -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "You tell me it's the institution; Well you know, you better free your mind instead..."-- John Lennon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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FYI on updated RPMs for redhat 7.3 (see note
by fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg＠public.gmane.org 24 Dec '03

24 Dec '03

On Wednesday 24 December 2003 14:08, Lloyd D Budd wrote: > I also maintain a large repository of Red Hat 7.3 RPMs, mainly > because I manage quite a few 7.3 servers at work and my home "data > center" - and statistics show that many other companies/people out > there still use 7.3 (especially on the server platform) for its > stability and quality. There was a group of people claiming that they would support 7.3 I just can't find the link right now, perhaps it didn't get anywhere. Anyone know the project? Somewhat on the same topic are http://whiteboxlinux.org/ and http://www.progeny.com/products/transition/ > If you still run/own/manage/deploy Red Hat 7.3 machines, you should > really check out my repository; > <http://norlug.org/~chipster/rpm_index.pxml?cat=1> Or run, don't walk, to http://www.debian.org/ and find out about an OS that's been offering stability and rock-solid upgrade procedures for 10 years. -- Fraser Campbell <fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org> http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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In the Dark with Midnight Commander
by kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w＠public.gmane.org 24 Dec '03

24 Dec '03

At 07:11 AM 12/24/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Echoing Peter Peres' concern about the inadequacy of Linux documentation: [snip] > Midnight commander (and linux generally) has been a big disappointment: >I have yet to find any documentation (man pages or anything else), and >unlike Norton Commander the command-line (bottom) box doesn't automatically >look for files in the selected directory - I have to issue a cd command. Windows software isn't much better at times (especially the freeware/shareware). If you need additional information about something installed on your Linux machine there are a couple of things you can do. (Using mc as an example...) Use the package management system to find out what files were installed on the machine. (ie. rpm -ql mc for a system using RPMs). This will list all the files installed for the package. Look for files in 'doc' directories (ie. /usr/doc, /usr/share/doc) and/or files ending in .htm or .html which may be web based documentation. The 'man' command is more for just a short description on what a given program will do and what command line options it will accept that affect its behaviour. If you need much more information on a program than that related to the command line then a man page is not what you want. At that point its time to check the Linux Documentation Project site or do a web search for more detailed information (assuming there isn't an official site for the program). Cheers! Kevin. (http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/) Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" E-mail:kcozens at interlog dot com|"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: Packet:ve3syb-XXPEJ3/fxIc at public.gmane.org#con.on.ca.na| Try to assimilate the world!" #include <disclaimer/favourite> | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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In the Dark with Midnight Commander
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 24 Dec '03

24 Dec '03

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003, Tim Writer wrote: > Linux/UNIX shells. Users with a Windows background, not (yet) comfortable > with the Linux/UNIX command line, are probably most comfortable with > graphical tools like Konqueror's file manager. Hmm I have not thought of that. It is natural for me to drop into a shell and start typing one-line pipes to do things. To the point where I find no use for kde (I started Linux with Slackware and no help line or internet access excepting a book - those were the times ...) but normal users probably feel as you say. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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C programming question
by plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg＠public.gmane.org 24 Dec '03

24 Dec '03

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003, John Wildberger wrote: > On December 24, 2003 03:47 am, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > > Yes, you are right, up to a point. The manpages do not intend to tech you > > anything, they remind the programmer of all the details. For learning, use > > a book about programming or tutorials. > > The man mmap consists of 192 lines. > Your sample code has 8 lines. It makes all the difference between useful and > useless. Why cannot the good people who write these man pages not include Er, I wrote the code as an example against the manual page, *using* the manual page. I do not use mmap often (in fact, I avoid it). So much for gems (untested too). Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml

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