<https://www.reuters.com/article/us-huawei-tech-alphabet-exclusive/exclusive-google-suspends-some-business-with-huawei-after-trump-blacklist-source-idUSKCN1SP0NB> This looks like it will affect Huawei Android phones. It looks like Google is being forced by the US Federal government. Google better move out of the US. To be honest, this looks like something so stupid that it's going to be changed.
On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 5:22 PM D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
This looks like it will affect Huawei Android phones.
It looks like Google is being forced by the US Federal government. Google better move out of the US.
To be honest, this looks like something so stupid that it's going to be changed. ---
At the risk of encouraging the censors - - - I'm thinking that this trade 'war' has likely spiraled out to the point where everyone is going to get hurt - - - and likely not just a little bit either!
On Sun, May 19, 2019, 18:22 D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk, <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
< https://www.reuters.com/article/us-huawei-tech-alphabet-exclusive/exclusive-...
This looks like it will affect Huawei Android phones.
It looks like Google is being forced by the US Federal government. Google better move out of the US.
To be honest, this looks like something so stupid that it's going to be changed.
Hmmmm, a smartphone that compels its user to use AOSP and prevents her from using the Play Store. When you consider that there's FDroid, this may actually be a FEATURE! Ivan.
On Sun, May 19, 2019, 18:22 D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk, <talk@gtalug.org
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Have any of the allegations against Huawei been proven or is Trump just doing this based on suspicions or rumours similar to the claims made that Russians tampered with a US election? -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ | "Nerds make the shiny things that https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and | that's why we're powerful" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | #include <disclaimer/favourite> | --Chris Hardwick
| From: Kevin Cozens via talk <talk@gtalug.org> | Have any of the allegations against Huawei been proven or is Trump just doing | this based on suspicions or rumours similar to the claims made that Russians | tampered with a US election? There are several kinds of allegations against Huawei. I assume that you are referring to the ones that say their equipment is a security threat. (There are also allegations of trading with North Korea or Iran and of IP theft. Also of secret ownership by the Government. Not that ownership matters since the government can non-transparently direct the company to do anything.) Phones (end-point-devices) ought to be in a different class from carrier equipment. Since phones are in the hands of millions, the system ought to be designed to survive compromised phones. So banning Huawei handsets look suspect. Banning their use of Android seems suspect AND stupid. Banning Huawei carrier equipment is a different matter. I am unaware of concrete claims. But that's fair: - If I were the NSA, I would not want to reveal what I know - it might reveal how I found it out - it would reveal which systems of the opponent had been compromised - "sleeper" compromises are to be expected. These would have no manifestation until activated. - putting compromises in a large system is laughably easy and impossible to reliably detect. Heck, we cannot even reliably detect bugs, and they were not designed to be hidden. Compromises might be indistinguishable from bugs. It comes down to your threat model. The US kind of has to trust its own companies (if there are any) and maybe its long term allies' companies. It probably ought to distrust Chinese companies. The Chinese government has shown willingness to repeatedly and flagrantly hack the US (and Canada). The fact that the US hacks the other way is irrelevant to this discussion. We're not talking morality here. Canada cannot go to war with the US. All our sophisticated hardware likely has kill switches controlled by the US.
On Mon, 20 May 2019 13:00:08 -0400 (EDT) "D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk" <talk@gtalug.org> wrote: <snip some really cool stuff around here>
The Chinese government has shown willingness to repeatedly and flagrantly hack the US (and Canada). The fact that the US hacks the other way is irrelevant to this discussion. We're not talking morality here.
Canada cannot go to war with the US. All our sophisticated hardware likely has kill switches controlled by the US.
as I am not involved in any wars with anyone, at this time, I guess I have no right to say anything either way (not that this ever stops anyone from having an opinion, either way). Personally I do not like wars, but I do also understand that wars are sometimes not avoidable. For example the second world war, which, imho, was simply not avoidable. Some nations are constantly at war and their societies have become used to being at war as they have never experienced decades of peace. Trade wars could easily escalate into actual war and the parties in the trade war and if both their last stand fallback positions are non movable positions, could lead to world war three. I do not know anymore who the villians are, before the 2nd world war, the world was also not sure. But the world has a short memory, I recall the US invading Iraq, because they had weapons of mass destruction and the evil Iraq was about to destroy the planet.... So, many many thousands of little children died as a result of weapons of mass destruction. War is not a pretty thing and has real costs, destroys societies, families and peoples. I do truly hope that out there, on all sides of everything, we can find ubuntu. Andre
I expect your right but it is worth pointing out that I am sure there are people who thought the same thing in the early 1950s in North Korea. On 5/20/19 11:19 AM, James Knott via talk wrote:
On 05/19/2019 06:22 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:
To be honest, this looks like something so stupid that it's going to be changed. Trump won't be there forever.
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