Lynx spits "Bad HTML", but I can't see exactly what it is complaining about, even when using lynx -trace The AODA policy compliance page is here: https://tpl.ca/policies-and-terms-of-use/accessibility-people-disabilities/ Compliance reports are here: https://tpl.ca/accessibility/aoda-compliance/ I found the whole website to be text heavy, but I did find it funny that the AODA compliance report itself is a PDF. Beyond that, are there any specific usability areas you are concerned about? -nick On Tue, Jan 27, 2026 at 11:11 PM Evan Leibovitch via Talk < talk@lists.gtalug.org> wrote:

I have no idea how the site was developed or tested. But tpl.ca renders just fine for me -- I tried the main page and some randomly-selected sub-pages (using both Firefox and Chromium on CachyOS). I encountered no problems.

The site does contain a page on AODA compliance, though I can't speak to its accuracy or effectiveness.

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Hi folks, Anyone know if any effort was made to test the new tpl website in Linux at the basic level? Thanks, Kare

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On January 19th, the library catalogue - and at least some part of the website's other functionality - moved to https://www.bibliocommons.com/ . This is a huge change, and it also means any previous compliance reports are meaningless as they apply to previous incarnations of the website. Please keep in mind that different parts of the site are rendered by different engines and under different rules. If you have questions to TPL (not me ... I don't work on their website anymore, and don't intend to act as a go-between), be sure to quote the URL of the specific page that's causing problems. Answerline will try to assist: https://tpl.ca/contact/ Answerline: 416-397-5981 If you are a TTY user, you can also call us using TTY Relay Service (711). Monday - Friday: 9 am - 8:00 pm Saturday: 9 am - 4:30 pm Sunday - Telephone only: 12 pm - 4:30 pm Holidays: Closed They can't directly affect change on the website, but do know who to talk to about it. On Wed, 28 Jan 2026 at 11:48, William Park via Talk <talk@lists.gtalug.org> wrote:

I rarely visit <tpl.ca>, so I don't know what is "new" or "old". But, as of this writing, the front page renders okay. What part of it do you want us to check?

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On Wed, Jan 28, 2026 at 11:52:08PM -0500, Karen Lewellen via Talk wrote:

Hi Giles, This is actually both profoundly helpful and informative. Specifically the detail that different engines manage different areas of the site. As an illustration, I can log into the site just fine. However, you are asked to accept the bibliocommons terms of service. The checkbox works, the form to submit does not, all while your correct log in details are on the same page. Interesting too is the idea that a rely operator would know who to reach. I have never used or needed tty, but that seems a bit unique. Speaking from many long conversations, TPL does not use human for compliance testing, but simulations that even the w3c state are recipes for disasters. Still, there is a phone number for bibbilocommons, I may write answerline and their email contact together. Thanks again,

I tried using lynx to search the catalog. Once I realized the first button was meant to clear the text and the second button was search, it seemed to work. I found elinks easier to use for it though, but I have always prefered elinks over lynx as a text browser. Changing user interface would probably be a huge pain though if you are used to how it works. I did not try to login, since I am pretty sure I don't have a login, and it never asked about any terms. -- Len Sorensen

On Thu, Jan 29, 2026 at 02:06:49AM -0500, William Park via Talk wrote:

Front page of <bibliocommons.com> renders okay, on Firefox (147.0.2). Again, what part do you want us to check out?

No one cares about firefox or any graphical browser in this case. This is about lynx. When someone uses a DOS system with a speech card to ssh to a linux system and run text browser and email, graphics are not relevant. :) It's a surprisingly effective setup though. -- Len Sorensen

On Sat, Jan 31, 2026 at 06:05:23PM -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Hi len, Actually, that is not what I am using here. One of the positives of the Linux community, at least from an innovative creative standpoint is that some decide to port Linux tools, including JavaScript, for other operating systems. Freedos, www.freedos.org

Is a currently developed edition of DOS with many such tools. There is a largely commercial project of DOS..which I am likely about to misspell, djppp. In any case, there is a port of Links, which is considered to be largely an open source Linux browser, for DOS. It allows me to do many things I cannot do when I ssh into any of the three Linux shells I use. One of them is actually visit and log into the Toronto public Library website. In theory, Links is a graphical browser, it has JavaScript, or can, if compiled with the ability. So, I am not using ssh to go anywhere..I did try that smiles. Elinks, which is even more, or can be even more graphical if compiled that way..locks me into a you are being redirected loop. My hope was that something might be salvageable via either of these graphical Linux browsers.

Oh right you can run some of the text browsers directly on DOS instead. -- Len Sorensen

Oh, and for the record, lynx is likewise under development. Including compiles that incorporate tools like html5, and keystrokes that allow one to submit a scripted button that often requires a physical mouse click. However, site construction needs to be done within w3c, or at least progressive enhancement principles. That is the case for access generally, even for graphical environments. Kare On Sat, 31 Jan 2026, Karen Lewellen via Talk wrote:

Howard, I realized Lynx was not a wise choice, so am focused instead on the console or command line Linux browsers like links and elinks. These browsers can be compiled with JavaScript and perform allot of comparative functions, while still being largely speech friendly.

Kare

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On Tue, 27 Jan 2026 17:03:02 -0500 (EST) Karen Lewellen via Talk <talk@lists.gtalug.org> wrote:

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Hi folks, Anyone know if any effort was made to test the new tpl website in Linux at the basic level? Thanks, Kare

Karen,

TPL is functional for me with Firefox. Lynx does not work very well.

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