Hi everyone, I do hope to ask this clearly. what I desire is a method of confirming if someone enters or approaches my flat without my knowledge. Ideally there would be a small camera, even a phone just for this role might work, with at the absolute best a notification sent via voice or e-mail that the feature is active..I hope this makes sense. Perhaps it activates when someone opens my downstairs door, letting me know? Perhaps an alarm, perhaps not. I might also dedicate a laptop to this role, but the most important thing is that I am notified, the setup calls my own phone number land line for example, or sends me an e-mail. I have no way to get a text message, unless this message is spoken. If I am not being clear let me know. Range need not be profoundly large either. Ideas? Kare
How far from the front door to your flat? Is it multi-story? On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 at 15:29, Karen Lewellen via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Hi everyone,
I do hope to ask this clearly. what I desire is a method of confirming if someone enters or approaches my flat without my knowledge. Ideally there would be a small camera, even a phone just for this role might work, with at the absolute best a notification sent via voice or e-mail that the feature is active..I hope this makes sense. Perhaps it activates when someone opens my downstairs door, letting me know? Perhaps an alarm, perhaps not. I might also dedicate a laptop to this role, but the most important thing is that I am notified, the setup calls my own phone number land line for example, or sends me an e-mail. I have no way to get a text message, unless this message is spoken. If I am not being clear let me know. Range need not be profoundly large either. Ideas? Kare
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On 4/15/19 3:28 PM, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
Hi everyone,
I do hope to ask this clearly. what I desire is a method of confirming if someone enters or approaches my flat without my knowledge. Ideally there would be a small camera, even a phone just for this role might work, with at the absolute best a notification sent via voice or e-mail that the feature is active..I hope this makes sense. Perhaps it activates when someone opens my downstairs door, letting me know? Perhaps an alarm, perhaps not. I might also dedicate a laptop to this role, but the most important thing is that I am notified, the setup calls my own phone number land line for example, or sends me an e-mail. I have no way to get a text message, unless this message is spoken. If I am not being clear let me know. Range need not be profoundly large either. Ideas? Kare
There are a number of IP based cameras that will do the kind of thing you want. The first question you need to answer is do you want to use a cloud service or own and control your own data. The cloud service will be the easiest to setup and will let you do things but the downside is that amazon or google or .... will know your business. Most all the modern cameras now come with some form of motion detection so it will satisfy your need to know when someone is coming to your door. The next question is if you want wifi or hard wired. It may actually be harder to find a hard wired camera there are literally hundreds of wifi enabled cameras and if you can get a hardwired camera you may also want one that will take its power using POE. I have an old(5+ years) dlink camera that will do motion detection and upload the video to an FTP server and it works just fine. There appear to be some peephole cameras so it may be possible to get something that will fit into an existing door peephole otherwise you will be trying to figure out where to install the camera. -- Alvin Starr || land: (905)513-7688 Netvel Inc. || Cell: (416)806-0133 alvin@netvel.net ||
Hi Alvin,, sort of in context.
There are a number of IP based cameras that will do the kind of thing you want.
Need to be sure I follow the dictionary. what does the IP mean in IP based camera? And the camera will send a written or verbal notification either to my land line analog telephone, or send me a regular e-mail?
The first question you need to answer is do you want to use a cloud service or own and control your own data.
That is easy, i would want to control my own data, as ideally nothing would be stored unless I have been notified. Otherwise I would simply reset the camera's recording.
The cloud service will be the easiest to setup and will let you do things but the downside is that amazon or google or .... will know your business.
Most all the modern cameras now come with some form of motion detection so it will satisfy your need to know when someone is coming to your door. Actually, I just realized the need to keep from setting off my own notification. say if I have it running while I am away, when I return
Actually, I am not firmly certain the Icloud aspect will be easiest from an accessibility / adaptive technology standpoint. My only goals would be preserving footage if indeed someone was entering my place without permission. The method of notification is most important since I will have to show any footage to another if someone is captured. the notification will activate. Not an issue when I am here of course.
The next question is if you want wifi or hard wired.
It may actually be harder to find a hard wired camera there are literally hundreds of wifi enabled cameras and if you can get a hardwired camera you may also want one that will take its power using POE.
again a dictionary question, what is poe? Hardwired might be best, again the wifi one may require a setup that is not accessibility or adaptive technology friendly. Additionally, my thought about wifi is that it will send notifications in a noninclusive for me fashion, i. e. a text message.
I have an old(5+ years) dlink camera that will do motion detection and upload the video to an FTP server and it works just fine.
There appear to be some peephole cameras so it may be possible to get something that will fit into an existing door peephole otherwise you will be trying to figure out where to install the camera. Actually the install location may be the simplest part of the problem. To help folks picture, my apartment is above a commercial space with what is technically my front door facing the back.
Really? Do you have a model? Perhaps I can find it on line somewhere. the door I wish to monitor is at the bottom of the stairs leading to my landing. I have two elevated options for camera placement, one a shelf practically at the window level which is set high in the door, and better still a very tall entertainment centre that is flat on top, and right next to an outlet. My door has no peephole. The goal is placement so one does not know there is a camera around if that makes sense. Thanks for providing some ideas Alvin, Kare
On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 3:33 PM Karen Lewellen via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Hi Alvin,, sort of in context.
There are a number of IP based cameras that will do the kind of thing you want.
Need to be sure I follow the dictionary. what does the IP mean in IP based camera? And the camera will send a written or verbal notification either to my land line analog telephone, or send me a regular e-mail?
Really? Do you have a model? Perhaps I can find it on line somewhere.
There appear to be some peephole cameras so it may be possible to get something that will fit into an existing door peephole otherwise you will be trying to figure out where to install the camera. Actually the install location may be the simplest part of the problem. To help folks picture, my apartment is above a commercial space with what is technically my front door facing the back. the door I wish to monitor is at the bottom of the stairs leading to my landing. I have two elevated options for camera placement, one a shelf practically at the window level which is set high in the door, and better still a very tall entertainment centre that is flat on top, and right next to an outlet. My door has no peephole. The goal is placement so one does not know there is a camera around if that makes sense. Thanks for providing some ideas Alvin,
You could also consider whats known as a 'game camera' - - - only takes pictures on movement. Regards
How do game cameras manage the mandatory notification part of my need? Kare On Mon, 15 Apr 2019, o1bigtenor via talk wrote:
On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 3:33 PM Karen Lewellen via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Hi Alvin,, sort of in context.
There are a number of IP based cameras that will do the kind of thing you want.
Need to be sure I follow the dictionary. what does the IP mean in IP based camera? And the camera will send a written or verbal notification either to my land line analog telephone, or send me a regular e-mail?
Really? Do you have a model? Perhaps I can find it on line somewhere.
There appear to be some peephole cameras so it may be possible to get something that will fit into an existing door peephole otherwise you will be trying to figure out where to install the camera. Actually the install location may be the simplest part of the problem. To help folks picture, my apartment is above a commercial space with what is technically my front door facing the back. the door I wish to monitor is at the bottom of the stairs leading to my landing. I have two elevated options for camera placement, one a shelf practically at the window level which is set high in the door, and better still a very tall entertainment centre that is flat on top, and right next to an outlet. My door has no peephole. The goal is placement so one does not know there is a camera around if that makes sense. Thanks for providing some ideas Alvin,
You could also consider whats known as a 'game camera' - - - only takes pictures on movement.
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On 04/15/2019 04:33 PM, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
There are a number of IP based cameras that will do the kind of thing you want.
Need to be sure I follow the dictionary. what does the IP mean in IP based camera?
Internet Protocol. It's the protocol used by networks these days.
And the camera will send a written or verbal notification either to my land line analog telephone, or send me a regular e-mail?
That will require more than just a camera.
Here is a example of my wyze camera I have to detect motion on my side street and not on the main Street in the background. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IDW-ap37_yapzUcCQ_AzS-4SJkPZC_Cx/view?usp=d... On Mon., Apr. 15, 2019, 8:38 p.m. James Knott via talk, <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On 04/15/2019 04:33 PM, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
again a dictionary question, what is poe?
Power over Ethernet. It used power from the network switch, carried over the Ethernet cable, to power some device, such as a camera. I use it here to power my WiFi access point.
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That link says google drive access denied. What should I find there? On Mon, 15 Apr 2019, Digiital aka David via talk wrote:
Here is a example of my wyze camera I have to detect motion on my side street and not on the main Street in the background.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IDW-ap37_yapzUcCQ_AzS-4SJkPZC_Cx/view?usp=d...
On Mon., Apr. 15, 2019, 8:38 p.m. James Knott via talk, <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On 04/15/2019 04:33 PM, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
again a dictionary question, what is poe?
Power over Ethernet. It used power from the network switch, carried over the Ethernet cable, to power some device, such as a camera. I use it here to power my WiFi access point.
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Try this one. https://photos.app.goo.gl/b1ndA9WBBu4wdVo39 On Mon., Apr. 15, 2019, 8:56 p.m. Karen Lewellen, <klewellen@shellworld.net> wrote:
That link says google drive access denied. What should I find there?
On Mon, 15 Apr 2019, Digiital aka David via talk wrote:
Here is a example of my wyze camera I have to detect motion on my side street and not on the main Street in the background.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IDW-ap37_yapzUcCQ_AzS-4SJkPZC_Cx/view?usp=d...
On Mon., Apr. 15, 2019, 8:38 p.m. James Knott via talk, <talk@gtalug.org
wrote:
On 04/15/2019 04:33 PM, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
again a dictionary question, what is poe?
Power over Ethernet. It used power from the network switch, carried over the Ethernet cable, to power some device, such as a camera. I use it here to power my WiFi access point.
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Not much better. Again I am unsure what you wish to share? Kare On Mon, 15 Apr 2019, Digiital aka David wrote:
Try this one.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/b1ndA9WBBu4wdVo39
On Mon., Apr. 15, 2019, 8:56 p.m. Karen Lewellen, <klewellen@shellworld.net> wrote:
That link says google drive access denied. What should I find there?
On Mon, 15 Apr 2019, Digiital aka David via talk wrote:
Here is a example of my wyze camera I have to detect motion on my side street and not on the main Street in the background.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IDW-ap37_yapzUcCQ_AzS-4SJkPZC_Cx/view?usp=d...
On Mon., Apr. 15, 2019, 8:38 p.m. James Knott via talk, <talk@gtalug.org
wrote:
On 04/15/2019 04:33 PM, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
again a dictionary question, what is poe?
Power over Ethernet. It used power from the network switch, carried over the Ethernet cable, to power some device, such as a camera. I use it here to power my WiFi access point.
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Would I be guessing correctly that the hard wired option does not need Ethernet, simply powered by electricity? Also, from a prior note does not the ip camera include something to direct the data somewhere? The video analytic idea might help, teach it to ignore me opening my front door, but flag anyone else. My sense about ip cameras is that something must control the camera. Alvin's idea about uploading footage to an ftp caught my attention because that process might be straight forward from a screen reader standpoint. I cannot monitor the footage, which is why I am hoping for a notification process. On Mon, 15 Apr 2019, James Knott via talk wrote:
On 04/15/2019 04:33 PM, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
again a dictionary question, what is poe?
Power over Ethernet. It used power from the network switch, carried over the Ethernet cable, to power some device, such as a camera. I use it here to power my WiFi access point.
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This sounds like a job for the Raspberry Pi! See these articles: < https://www.bouvet.no/bouvet-deler/utbrudd/building-a-motion-activated-security-camera-with-the-raspberry-pi-zero>, < https://www.instructables.com/id/Raspberry-Pi-Motion-Detection-Security-Came...
.
Regards, Clifford Ilkay +1 647-778-8696 On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 9:06 PM Karen Lewellen via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Would I be guessing correctly that the hard wired option does not need Ethernet, simply powered by electricity? Also, from a prior note does not the ip camera include something to direct the data somewhere? The video analytic idea might help, teach it to ignore me opening my front door, but flag anyone else. My sense about ip cameras is that something must control the camera. Alvin's idea about uploading footage to an ftp caught my attention because that process might be straight forward from a screen reader standpoint. I cannot monitor the footage, which is why I am hoping for a notification process.
On Mon, 15 Apr 2019, James Knott via talk wrote:
On 04/15/2019 04:33 PM, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
again a dictionary question, what is poe?
Power over Ethernet. It used power from the network switch, carried over the Ethernet cable, to power some device, such as a camera. I use it here to power my WiFi access point.
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Clifford! That seems amazing! Thanks for providing the resource. what is nice about it, as far as I can tell, is that once the steps are followed things run on auto pilot...might only need help once. Thanks, Kare On Mon, 15 Apr 2019, Clifford Ilkay via talk wrote:
This sounds like a job for the Raspberry Pi! See these articles: < https://www.bouvet.no/bouvet-deler/utbrudd/building-a-motion-activated-security-camera-with-the-raspberry-pi-zero>, < https://www.instructables.com/id/Raspberry-Pi-Motion-Detection-Security-Came...
.
Regards,
Clifford Ilkay
+1 647-778-8696
On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 9:06 PM Karen Lewellen via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Would I be guessing correctly that the hard wired option does not need Ethernet, simply powered by electricity? Also, from a prior note does not the ip camera include something to direct the data somewhere? The video analytic idea might help, teach it to ignore me opening my front door, but flag anyone else. My sense about ip cameras is that something must control the camera. Alvin's idea about uploading footage to an ftp caught my attention because that process might be straight forward from a screen reader standpoint. I cannot monitor the footage, which is why I am hoping for a notification process.
On Mon, 15 Apr 2019, James Knott via talk wrote:
On 04/15/2019 04:33 PM, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
again a dictionary question, what is poe?
Power over Ethernet. It used power from the network switch, carried over the Ethernet cable, to power some device, such as a camera. I use it here to power my WiFi access point.
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Building your own camera from the ground up is good if your into hardware hacking. You may get more millage from buying a cheap camera and replacing the firmware. The Wyze Cam mentioned has a project called OpenIPC Amazon has a DCS-936L (about $70) that claims to have push notifications and if you look through the manual ( ftp://ftp.dlink.ca/PRODUCTS/DCS-936L/DCS-936L_REVA_MANUAL_1.02_EN.PDF ) you will find that it has a place to send the motion detected snapshots. Once again you will be asking yourself questions. 1) How much work do I want to just for the pure joy of doing the work. 2) How much work am I willing to do to save a few dollars. 3) Do I care if Amazon/Apple/Google know about my home camera so that I can use their app on my phone. On 4/15/19 9:40 PM, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
Clifford! That seems amazing! Thanks for providing the resource. what is nice about it, as far as I can tell, is that once the steps are followed things run on auto pilot...might only need help once. Thanks, Kare
On Mon, 15 Apr 2019, Clifford Ilkay via talk wrote:
This sounds like a job for the Raspberry Pi! See these articles: < https://www.bouvet.no/bouvet-deler/utbrudd/building-a-motion-activated-security-camera-with-the-raspberry-pi-zero>,
< https://www.instructables.com/id/Raspberry-Pi-Motion-Detection-Security-Came...
.
Regards,
Clifford Ilkay
+1 647-778-8696
On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 9:06 PM Karen Lewellen via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Would I be guessing correctly that the hard wired option does not need Ethernet, simply powered by electricity? Also, from a prior note does not the ip camera include something to direct the data somewhere? The video analytic idea might help, teach it to ignore me opening my front door, but flag anyone else. My sense about ip cameras is that something must control the camera. Alvin's idea about uploading footage to an ftp caught my attention because that process might be straight forward from a screen reader standpoint. I cannot monitor the footage, which is why I am hoping for a notification process.
On Mon, 15 Apr 2019, James Knott via talk wrote:
On 04/15/2019 04:33 PM, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
again a dictionary question, what is poe?
Power over Ethernet. It used power from the network switch, carried over the Ethernet cable, to power some device, such as a camera. I use it here to power my WiFi access point.
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Again I am appreciative. I am adding a third question. Given the importance of this task to me and the non inclusiveness of some other options i. e. my main phone is a land line, and my cell a flip..how much am I willing to pay a more devoted person to configure the raspberry pi after gathering the materials? The situation motivating my finding such a tool may mean a fair amount to the right talent. On Mon, 15 Apr 2019, Alvin Starr via talk wrote:
Building your own camera from the ground up is good if your into hardware hacking.
You may get more millage from buying a cheap camera and replacing the firmware.
The Wyze Cam mentioned has a project called OpenIPC
Amazon has a DCS-936L (about $70) that claims to have push notifications and if you look through the manual (
ftp://ftp.dlink.ca/PRODUCTS/DCS-936L/DCS-936L_REVA_MANUAL_1.02_EN.PDF
) you will find that it has a place to send the motion detected snapshots.
Once again you will be asking yourself questions.
1) How much work do I want to just for the pure joy of doing the work.
2) How much work am I willing to do to save a few dollars.
3) Do I care if Amazon/Apple/Google know about my home camera so that I can use their app on my phone.
On 4/15/19 9:40 PM, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
Clifford! That seems amazing! Thanks for providing the resource. what is nice about it, as far as I can tell, is that once the steps are followed things run on auto pilot...might only need help once. Thanks, Kare
On Mon, 15 Apr 2019, Clifford Ilkay via talk wrote:
This sounds like a job for the Raspberry Pi! See these articles: < https://www.bouvet.no/bouvet-deler/utbrudd/building-a-motion-activated-security-camera-with-the-raspberry-pi-zero>,
< https://www.instructables.com/id/Raspberry-Pi-Motion-Detection-Security-Came...
.
Regards,
Clifford Ilkay
+1 647-778-8696
On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 9:06 PM Karen Lewellen via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Would I be guessing correctly that the hard wired option does not need Ethernet, simply powered by electricity? Also, from a prior note does not the ip camera include something to direct the data somewhere? The video analytic idea might help, teach it to ignore me opening my front door, but flag anyone else. My sense about ip cameras is that something must control the camera. Alvin's idea about uploading footage to an ftp caught my attention because that process might be straight forward from a screen reader standpoint. I cannot monitor the footage, which is why I am hoping for a notification process.
On Mon, 15 Apr 2019, James Knott via talk wrote:
On 04/15/2019 04:33 PM, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
again a dictionary question, what is poe?
Power over Ethernet. It used power from the network switch, carried over the Ethernet cable, to power some device, such as a camera. I use it here to power my WiFi access point.
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I think many of the respondents are giving answers without an important piece of the puzzle. Karen: I seem to remember that your vision is quite limited. Would you be able to get anything out of the playback of a video? If you cannot view a video directly, I don't think that any of the proposals would be of much use. Some thoughts (but note that I have no particular expertise in this area): - recordings *inside* you front door would reduce the false positives. In other words, recordings would be limited to someone who actually came inside. Bonus points: an outside recording that could be retroactively examined, (by someone else) once "something of interest" were detected inside. - recordings should include sound since that would be something you could examine yourself. You could develop the habit of saying "I'm home" to mark recordings of yourself. - AI is getting better. Some day it will recognize people sufficiently well to do some of this for you. But I don't know that we're there yet. - There is an AI gold rush now. Perhaps some startup could be interested in your problem as an untapped market. But that's a long way from a simple off-the-shelf solution. - I imagine that most systems ignore the accessibility features you need. An Open Source solution might make it easier to hack in code to make at least the logs accessible. - Some home alarm companies might have solutions for you where they do the monitoring remotely. I've not asked. But that would compromise your privacy and might be expensive. I don't imagine that there is a simple affordable security solution. Other than getting a dog (they have native intelligence).
This though is why the notification aspect is so important. If the setup tracks who entres my front door, I am more concerned about who might be coming in then who is outside, and sends me a notification then I know if I need have the images reviewed. If there is face recognition, i. e. so i do not set off the event myself that is a plus, but because I live alone and am supposed to be told with 24 hours notice if another needs to be here, anyone walking through my door without me with them is a possible problem. I do not need to see the video myself, just know that video has been captured of a specific type of information. If an event is triggered and I know of the appointment, again I can skip the notification. Part of why the raspberry pi idea seemed so appealing is that once configured it does that very thing, without being very large it watches the area and send me an e-mail, or a voice mail that something has been captured...then I can do the rest. Does that make more sense? at most I am spending a little money gathering the tools and perhaps paying a tech for the setup. In the end though I have a way to know if anyone is entering my home without permission with pictures for the authorities. Kare On Tue, 16 Apr 2019, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:
I think many of the respondents are giving answers without an important piece of the puzzle.
Karen: I seem to remember that your vision is quite limited. Would you be able to get anything out of the playback of a video?
If you cannot view a video directly, I don't think that any of the proposals would be of much use.
Some thoughts (but note that I have no particular expertise in this area):
- recordings *inside* you front door would reduce the false positives. In other words, recordings would be limited to someone who actually came inside.
Bonus points: an outside recording that could be retroactively examined, (by someone else) once "something of interest" were detected inside.
- recordings should include sound since that would be something you could examine yourself. You could develop the habit of saying "I'm home" to mark recordings of yourself.
- AI is getting better. Some day it will recognize people sufficiently well to do some of this for you. But I don't know that we're there yet.
- There is an AI gold rush now. Perhaps some startup could be interested in your problem as an untapped market. But that's a long way from a simple off-the-shelf solution.
- I imagine that most systems ignore the accessibility features you need. An Open Source solution might make it easier to hack in code to make at least the logs accessible.
- Some home alarm companies might have solutions for you where they do the monitoring remotely. I've not asked. But that would compromise your privacy and might be expensive.
I don't imagine that there is a simple affordable security solution. Other than getting a dog (they have native intelligence).
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You might also want to consider logging wi-fi contacts at doorway. I came across this article on Probemon using the Pi. Not exactly a blanket solution but this could be usefully integrated with other things in order to generate access tokens and trigger recording events. https://null-byte.wonderhowto.com/how-to/log-wi-fi-probe-requests-from-smart... Russell On Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 12:08 PM Karen Lewellen via talk, <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
This though is why the notification aspect is so important. If the setup tracks who entres my front door, I am more concerned about who might be coming in then who is outside, and sends me a notification then I know if I need have the images reviewed. If there is face recognition, i. e. so i do not set off the event myself that is a plus, but because I live alone and am supposed to be told with 24 hours notice if another needs to be here, anyone walking through my door without me with them is a possible problem. I do not need to see the video myself, just know that video has been captured of a specific type of information. If an event is triggered and I know of the appointment, again I can skip the notification. Part of why the raspberry pi idea seemed so appealing is that once configured it does that very thing, without being very large it watches the area and send me an e-mail, or a voice mail that something has been captured...then I can do the rest. Does that make more sense? at most I am spending a little money gathering the tools and perhaps paying a tech for the setup. In the end though I have a way to know if anyone is entering my home without permission with pictures for the authorities. Kare
On Tue, 16 Apr 2019, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:
I think many of the respondents are giving answers without an important piece of the puzzle.
Karen: I seem to remember that your vision is quite limited. Would you be able to get anything out of the playback of a video?
If you cannot view a video directly, I don't think that any of the proposals would be of much use.
Some thoughts (but note that I have no particular expertise in this area):
- recordings *inside* you front door would reduce the false positives. In other words, recordings would be limited to someone who actually came inside.
Bonus points: an outside recording that could be retroactively examined, (by someone else) once "something of interest" were detected inside.
- recordings should include sound since that would be something you could examine yourself. You could develop the habit of saying "I'm home" to mark recordings of yourself.
- AI is getting better. Some day it will recognize people sufficiently well to do some of this for you. But I don't know that we're there yet.
- There is an AI gold rush now. Perhaps some startup could be interested in your problem as an untapped market. But that's a long way from a simple off-the-shelf solution.
- I imagine that most systems ignore the accessibility features you need. An Open Source solution might make it easier to hack in code to make at least the logs accessible.
- Some home alarm companies might have solutions for you where they do the monitoring remotely. I've not asked. But that would compromise your privacy and might be expensive.
I don't imagine that there is a simple affordable security solution. Other than getting a dog (they have native intelligence).
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Modern cameras use IP over Ethernet and usually get power over the Ethernet cable. This means you'll need either a switch that supports PoE or a PoE injector. On 04/15/2019 09:05 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
Would I be guessing correctly that the hard wired option does not need Ethernet, simply powered by electricity? Also, from a prior note does not the ip camera include something to direct the data somewhere? The video analytic idea might help, teach it to ignore me opening my front door, but flag anyone else. My sense about ip cameras is that something must control the camera. Alvin's idea about uploading footage to an ftp caught my attention because that process might be straight forward from a screen reader standpoint. I cannot monitor the footage, which is why I am hoping for a notification process.
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On 04/15/2019 04:33 PM, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
again a dictionary question, what is poe?
Power over Ethernet. It used power from the network switch, carried over the Ethernet cable, to power some device, such as a camera. I use it here to power my WiFi access point.
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Get yourself a wyze camera. You can have it record to sd card. It records 12 seconds to the cloud and it will notify you when it senses motion. https://www.amazon.ca/Wyze-Wireless-Camera-Android-Version/dp/B076H3SRXG/ On Mon., Apr. 15, 2019, 3:29 p.m. Karen Lewellen via talk, <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Hi everyone,
I do hope to ask this clearly. what I desire is a method of confirming if someone enters or approaches my flat without my knowledge. Ideally there would be a small camera, even a phone just for this role might work, with at the absolute best a notification sent via voice or e-mail that the feature is active..I hope this makes sense. Perhaps it activates when someone opens my downstairs door, letting me know? Perhaps an alarm, perhaps not. I might also dedicate a laptop to this role, but the most important thing is that I am notified, the setup calls my own phone number land line for example, or sends me an e-mail. I have no way to get a text message, unless this message is spoken. If I am not being clear let me know. Range need not be profoundly large either. Ideas? Kare
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notify me with a voice phone call or e-mail? And it only records 12 seconds? On Mon, 15 Apr 2019, Digiital aka David via talk wrote:
Get yourself a wyze camera. You can have it record to sd card. It records 12 seconds to the cloud and it will notify you when it senses motion. https://www.amazon.ca/Wyze-Wireless-Camera-Android-Version/dp/B076H3SRXG/
On Mon., Apr. 15, 2019, 3:29 p.m. Karen Lewellen via talk, <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Hi everyone,
I do hope to ask this clearly. what I desire is a method of confirming if someone enters or approaches my flat without my knowledge. Ideally there would be a small camera, even a phone just for this role might work, with at the absolute best a notification sent via voice or e-mail that the feature is active..I hope this makes sense. Perhaps it activates when someone opens my downstairs door, letting me know? Perhaps an alarm, perhaps not. I might also dedicate a laptop to this role, but the most important thing is that I am notified, the setup calls my own phone number land line for example, or sends me an e-mail. I have no way to get a text message, unless this message is spoken. If I am not being clear let me know. Range need not be profoundly large either. Ideas? Kare
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Your requirements are exactly why ZoneMinder exists. Unfortunately, it is not trivial to setup. Not hard for someone who knows what they are doing, but not trivial. Fortunately there are lots of helpful people to help get it setup. You can even do facial recognition, etc... https://medium.com/zmninja Isaac@zoneminder.com On 2019-04-15 8:46 p.m., Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
notify me with a voice phone call or e-mail? And it only records 12 seconds?
On Mon, 15 Apr 2019, Digiital aka David via talk wrote:
Get yourself a wyze camera. You can have it record to sd card. It records 12 seconds to the cloud and it will notify you when it senses motion. https://www.amazon.ca/Wyze-Wireless-Camera-Android-Version/dp/B076H3SRXG/
On Mon., Apr. 15, 2019, 3:29 p.m. Karen Lewellen via talk, <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Hi everyone,
I do hope to ask this clearly. what I desire is a method of confirming if someone enters or approaches my flat without my knowledge. Ideally there would be a small camera, even a phone just for this role might work, with at the absolute best a notification sent via voice or e-mail that the feature is active..I hope this makes sense. Perhaps it activates when someone opens my downstairs door, letting me know? Perhaps an alarm, perhaps not. I might also dedicate a laptop to this role, but the most important thing is that I am notified, the setup calls my own phone number land line for example, or sends me an e-mail. I have no way to get a text message, unless this message is spoken. If I am not being clear let me know. Range need not be profoundly large either. Ideas? Kare
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Hi everyone,
I do hope to ask this clearly. what I desire is a method of confirming if someone enters or approaches my flat without my knowledge. Ideally there would be a small camera, even a phone just for this role might work, with at the absolute best a notification sent via voice or e-mail that the feature is active..I hope this makes sense. Perhaps it activates when someone opens my downstairs door, letting me know? Perhaps an alarm, perhaps not. I might also dedicate a laptop to this role, but the most important thing is that I am notified, the setup calls my own phone number land line for example, or sends me an e-mail. I have no way to get a text message, unless this message is spoken. If I am not being clear let me know. Range need not be profoundly large either. Ideas? Kare It's not quite a simple solution. First, if you're not planning on watching the video all day, you'll need a digital recorder designed for use with IP cameras. You could build something like that with a Linux box, but you're probably better off buying a commercial one designed for
On 04/15/2019 03:28 PM, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote: the task. The other part is harder. Detecting someone approaching the door requires at least a motion detector of some sort. Another approach is something called video analytics, which analyses the scene to detect motion etc., determines whether it's appropriate and so on. Again, not an easy task.
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Alvin Starr -
Clifford Ilkay -
D. Hugh Redelmeier -
Digiital aka David -
Don Tai -
Isaac Connor -
James Knott -
Karen Lewellen -
o1bigtenor -
Russell Reiter