Greetings Reading past emails it seems that using a separate provider for domain registration and web hosting is the suggested norm. Finding a reasonable Canadian web hosting company is proving to be more than somewhat challenging. How negative is having both services at one particular company? Please advise
| From: o1bigtenor via talk <talk@gtalug.org> | Reading past emails it seems that using a separate provider for domain | registration and web hosting is the suggested norm. Just to make things more difficult, there are three separate things. 1. domain registration 2. domain hosting (by which I mean hosting your domain's DNS zone file). 3. hosting any services, such as web pages So 2 is what you missed. Often the registration service provider will host your DNS. But if you get into a dispute with them, you may have problems. That's not from experience and it might be a non-issue.
For DNS I use easydns. They are local to Toronto and have been good to work with for DNS. They do have web hosting but having never used it I cannot comment on their support. You could use somebody like DigitalOcean if you feel like building your own servers. They seem to be reasonably inexpensive and have Canadian hosting in Toronto. On 7/29/20 11:05 AM, o1bigtenor via talk wrote:
Greetings
Reading past emails it seems that using a separate provider for domain registration and web hosting is the suggested norm.
Finding a reasonable Canadian web hosting company is proving to be more than somewhat challenging.
How negative is having both services at one particular company?
Please advise
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:25 AM Alvin Starr via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
For DNS I use easydns. They are local to Toronto and have been good to work with for DNS.
They do have web hosting but having never used it I cannot comment on their support.
You could use somebody like DigitalOcean if you feel like building your own servers. They seem to be reasonably inexpensive and have Canadian hosting in Toronto.
A friend of mine had talked about using a Pi-hole for DNS stuff. I haven't really made any decisions on that. Digital Ocean seems to have changed - - - - they used to be an interesting shared hosting company - - - - today - - - - dunno what they are but its all out there in the heavens. I have a couple systems here working on server stuff dunno if I want all the responsibility of designing and setting up and then also running a server - - - - might just be me but I was hoping to perhaps unload a bit of the huge headache of being online. Too much to learn and too many other irons in the fire - - - - so thanks but I don't think so. Regards
I've used namespro.ca for years for dns and lunanode.com for hosting and been happy with both. On 2020-07-29 11:05, o1bigtenor via talk wrote:
Greetings
Reading past emails it seems that using a separate provider for domain registration and web hosting is the suggested norm.
Finding a reasonable Canadian web hosting company is proving to be more than somewhat challenging.
How negative is having both services at one particular company?
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On 2020-07-29 11:05 a.m., o1bigtenor via talk wrote:
Finding a reasonable Canadian web hosting company is proving to be more than somewhat challenging.??
What is proving challenging about finding a "reasonable" Canadian web hosting company? What do you mean by "reasonable"? FYI, I use Canadian Web Hosting (canadianwebhosting.com) for my website. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ | "Nerds make the shiny things that https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and | that's why we're powerful" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | #include <disclaimer/favourite> | --Chris Hardwick
A friend on here uses Planethoster, a Canuck company based in Montreal but also have servers in France. He has had good experiences so far, but you might need to request English once in a while. Why do you want to have a Canuck host provider? This severely limits your choices of host provider. I use A2 in Michigan. I always split domain name and hosting because there was a time when host providers could hold your name ransom if you wanted to leave. I think most host providers split out their domain name part to an external company/different sub-company, but I don't want any surprises. On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 at 11:38, Kevin Cozens via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Finding a reasonable Canadian web hosting company is proving to be more
On 2020-07-29 11:05 a.m., o1bigtenor via talk wrote: than
somewhat challenging.??
What is proving challenging about finding a "reasonable" Canadian web hosting company? What do you mean by "reasonable"?
FYI, I use Canadian Web Hosting (canadianwebhosting.com) for my website.
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On 7/29/20 12:19 PM, Don Tai via talk wrote:
A friend on here uses Planethoster, a Canuck company based in Montreal but also have servers in France. He has had good experiences so far, but you might need to request English once in a while. Why do you want to have a Canuck host provider? This severely limits your choices of host provider. I use A2 in Michigan.
The US hosting rules are such that the EU does not allow things like medical and certain kinds of personal data to reside in the US. Currently Canada is still considered safe byt the EU. Not completely sure how that relates to US companies that have Canadian centers. A couple of general rules to go by when hosting your data somewhere. 1) your data may be monetized without your knowledge. 2) whoever hosts your data owns your data.
I always split domain name and hosting because there was a time when host providers could hold your name ransom if you wanted to leave. I think most host providers split out their domain name part to an external company/different sub-company, but I don't want any surprises.
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:43 AM Alvin Starr via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On 7/29/20 12:19 PM, Don Tai via talk wrote:
A friend on here uses Planethoster, a Canuck company based in Montreal but also have servers in France. He has had good experiences so far, but you might need to request English once in a while. Why do you want to have a Canuck host provider? This severely limits your choices of host provider. I use A2 in Michigan.
The US hosting rules are such that the EU does not allow things like medical and certain kinds of personal data to reside in the US. Currently Canada is still considered safe byt the EU.
Not completely sure how that relates to US companies that have Canadian centers.
I will admit to being more than somewhat paranoid over bureaucratic oversight and intervention. OUr Canuckistani versions are problematic enough so I'd rather not add even more 'fun'.
A couple of general rules to go by when hosting your data somewhere. 1) your data may be monetized without your knowledge. 2) whoever hosts your data owns your data.
That's why I'm a little hesitant.
At a certain point a website is a reasonable idea (as a business decision). I don't think I really want to run a website out my personal systems along with all the other stuff I have to cover for the business. The day tends to already be far too short! Thanks for the reminder!
I use https://www.ovh.com for hosting, although https://www.canadianwebhosting.com/ looks good, too. I use https://easydns.com/ for DNS registry and DNS hosting. I’m very happy with both easydns and ovh! ../Dave On Jul 29, 2020, 1:10 PM -0400, o1bigtenor via talk <talk@gtalug.org>, wrote:
On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:43 AM Alvin Starr via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On 7/29/20 12:19 PM, Don Tai via talk wrote:
A friend on here uses Planethoster, a Canuck company based in Montreal but also have servers in France. He has had good experiences so far, but you might need to request English once in a while. Why do you want to have a Canuck host provider? This severely limits your choices of host provider. I use A2 in Michigan.
The US hosting rules are such that the EU does not allow things like medical and certain kinds of personal data to reside in the US. Currently Canada is still considered safe byt the EU.
Not completely sure how that relates to US companies that have Canadian centers.
I will admit to being more than somewhat paranoid over bureaucratic oversight and intervention. OUr Canuckistani versions are problematic enough so I'd rather not add even more 'fun'.
A couple of general rules to go by when hosting your data somewhere. 1) your data may be monetized without your knowledge. 2) whoever hosts your data owns your data.
That's why I'm a little hesitant. At a certain point a website is a reasonable idea (as a business decision). I don't think I really want to run a website out my personal systems along with all the other stuff I have to cover for the business. The day tends to already be far too short!
Thanks for the reminder!
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 12:09:34 -0500 o1bigtenor via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:43 AM Alvin Starr via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On 7/29/20 12:19 PM, Don Tai via talk wrote:
A friend on here uses Planethoster, a Canuck company based in Montreal but also have servers in France. He has had good experiences so far, but you might need to request English once in a while. Why do you want to have a Canuck host provider? This severely limits your choices of host provider. I use A2 in Michigan. The US hosting rules are such that the EU does not allow things like medical and certain kinds of personal data to reside in the US. Currently Canada is still considered safe byt the EU. Not completely sure how that relates to US companies that have Canadian centers.
I will admit to being more than somewhat paranoid over bureaucratic oversight and intervention. OUr Canuckistani versions are problematic enough so I'd rather not add even more 'fun'.
As I am a registrar, have all my own software, etc my needs are: 'bare metal' and quality Internet connectivity (so, cabinets/racks and network incl ddos, in/egress, etc) I used to be a client @ esecuredata.com (Vancouver) for over 15 years but have recently moved everything to Germany (EU) as the quality is a lot higher, new equipment and new hardware schedules, hw maintenance plans, etc. So, I guess 'web hosting' and hosting in general depends on what you need, as in do you need working email relay and do you need 100TB+ ddos protection and do you need 500 1U servers or 1 x 1U or do you just need 10% of 1x1U - do you have/need your own DNS servers (and how many) as this may also mean that you need 'hosting' on three or four+ different networks and all over the planet. Sometimes I also require my own PIX or other Cisco hw in the same cabinet(s) - some of my clients have 8 or more DNS servers in many different datacenters some use shared dns, etc etc What I have learned in the last 30+ odd years on the Internet is that everyone has different needs and expectations and that there is sometime a huge disparity in what people think they need and what they actually need - and that a lot of $$$ can actually be saved with some planning, but what I have also learned is that I learn new stuff every day and only when you know that you know everything do you realize how much you still need to know :)
A couple of general rules to go by when hosting your data somewhere. 1) your data may be monetized without your knowledge. 2) whoever hosts your data owns your data.
That's why I'm a little hesitant.
At a certain point a website is a reasonable idea (as a business decision). I don't think I really want to run a website out my personal systems along with all the other stuff I have to cover for the business. The day tends to already be far too short!
Thanks for the reminder!
On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 11:19 AM Don Tai via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
A friend on here uses Planethoster, a Canuck company based in Montreal but also have servers in France. He has had good experiences so far, but you might need to request English once in a while. Why do you want to have a Canuck host provider? This severely limits your choices of host provider. I use A2 in Michigan.
I find currency surprises not very appealing. As this is more than a short term decision - - - - I prefer to have some idea of future costs. When foreign currencies get involved - - - - - that idea goes out the window!
I always split domain name and hosting because there was a time when host providers could hold your name ransom if you wanted to leave. I think most host providers split out their domain name part to an external company/different sub-company, but I don't want any surprises.
That's what I'm thinking but my domain name registrar has treated me quite
well. Turns out that they also do some shared web hosting. Therefore my question(s). Thanks
Finding a reasonable Canadian web hosting company is proving to be more
On 2020-07-29 11:05 a.m., o1bigtenor via talk wrote: than
somewhat challenging.??
What is proving challenging about finding a "reasonable" Canadian web hosting company? What do you mean by "reasonable"?
Had the 'joy' of signing up with one shared web hosting company. Pricing was galactically different between initial and renewal, service was 'interesting' and they got to playing little games - - - - - so I am not looking for cheap but I do want a company where the servers are in Canada (Canadian legislation is enough of a dog's breakfast never mind dealing with another area's as well) and where
On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:38 AM Kevin Cozens via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote: they actually listen to questions instead of sending you to a knowledge base that is mostly some 5 years out of date! (I was being told that php 5.4 (I think that was the version - - - - - it wasn't even the last of the 5.x series) was plenty useful when php itself had deprecated anything before 7.0 some 2 years before. I'm not into the latest and greatest as I want rock solid working but it would be like insisting on running Win NT 3.5 and calling it current!) I don't expect to get a free lunch for signing up but I don't want to see that as a returning customer that I'm paying 4 or 5 times more than I did starting out - - - - that's not good long term thinking to me and tells me a lot about the company. Wasn't what they said when I asked about that before signup but having been burned well once - - - - I'm just a bit gun shy. Regards
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