another little computer: the kangaroo
I bought one of these little computers: <http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msca/en_CA/pdp/InFocus-Kangaroo-Signature-Edition-Mobile-Desktop/productID.328660500> If you are a student you an get 10% off of the $149. I bought mine at newegg for $130 but the price changes regularly. I'm typing this from a live Fedora stick on this processor. The screen is 3840x2160@30 -- the best mode for this display and pretty good for an Atom. The CPU is an Intel Atom x5-z8500. I don't really understand the naming scheme. Scott pointed out that the Intel specs for this processor don't mention the VT-I feature. That scared me. <http://ark.intel.com/products/85474/Intel-Atom-x5-Z8500-Processor-2M-Cache-up-to-2_24-GHz> Here are the flags from /proc/cpuinfo: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm sse4_1 sse4_2 movbe popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes rdrand lahf_lm 3dnowprefetch ida arat epb dtherm tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid tsc_adjust smep erm As I understand it, vmx means it supports VT-I. Some of the other flags have to do with virtualization too. BTW, note that it supports AES-NI, something that the Haswell Celeron and Pentium don't do. Although this doesn't have ethernet, it has a single USB 3.0 port. I've used a USB 3.0 hub to connect a gigabit ethernet dongle and the Fedora live stick.
Hi Hugh, How would do compare this Kangaroo with Intel/Lenovo stick? CanadaComputers sells Intel/Lenovo sticks, too. Kangaroo seems to have battery and USB3. But, all the ports (HDMI, USB) are on "dock". What's the rationale behind the removable dock? Portability? But, you have to carry 2 pieces, now. -- William On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 01:16:04AM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
I bought one of these little computers: <http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msca/en_CA/pdp/InFocus-Kangaroo-Signature-Edition-Mobile-Desktop/productID.328660500> If you are a student you an get 10% off of the $149.
I bought mine at newegg for $130 but the price changes regularly.
I'm typing this from a live Fedora stick on this processor. The screen is 3840x2160@30 -- the best mode for this display and pretty good for an Atom.
The CPU is an Intel Atom x5-z8500. I don't really understand the naming scheme.
Scott pointed out that the Intel specs for this processor don't mention the VT-I feature. That scared me. <http://ark.intel.com/products/85474/Intel-Atom-x5-Z8500-Processor-2M-Cache-up-to-2_24-GHz>
Here are the flags from /proc/cpuinfo:
fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm sse4_1 sse4_2 movbe popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes rdrand lahf_lm 3dnowprefetch ida arat epb dtherm tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid tsc_adjust smep erm
As I understand it, vmx means it supports VT-I. Some of the other flags have to do with virtualization too.
BTW, note that it supports AES-NI, something that the Haswell Celeron and Pentium don't do.
Although this doesn't have ethernet, it has a single USB 3.0 port. I've used a USB 3.0 hub to connect a gigabit ethernet dongle and the Fedora live stick. --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
| From: William Park <opengeometry@yahoo.ca> | How would do compare this Kangaroo with Intel/Lenovo stick? | CanadaComputers sells Intel/Lenovo sticks, too. I don't remember in detail, but I think those both are based on a Z3735F processor. That processor tends to come with 32-bit UEFI (not supported by Linux distros except poorly by debian) (Kangaroo has better processor and 64-bit UEFI). USB 3.0 is crucial for fast I/O and I suspect those don't come with USB 3.0 (Kangaroo has one USB 3 and one USB 2). And these sticks are usually more expensive than the sale price of the Kangaroo. [Hugh wanders off to do homework.] <http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msca/en_CA/pdp/Lenovo-Ideacentre-Stick-300-Signature-Edition-PC/productID.328221900> - out of stock - $200 (I saw it on Boxing Day for $100) - only USB 2.0, only one - Windows 10 Home, 32-bit: implies 32-bit UEFI <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Compute_Stick> <http://www.amazon.ca/Intel-Compute-Stick-Windows-BOXSTCK1A32WFCR/dp/B00UZ3CYE2> <http://ark.intel.com/products/86612/Intel-Compute-Stick-STCK1A32WFC> - quite a range but only the Z3735F ones are available to us as far as I know. The better ones will be expensive. So I'll only talk about the Z3735F ones. - Ubuntu version has half the RAM and half the eMMC memory (too little). Ignore it. - $209.00! - only USB 2.0, only one - specs don't seem to say whether it has 32-bit UEFI. I infer that from the driver download page that it is 32-bit. | Kangaroo seems to have | battery and USB3. But, all the ports (HDMI, USB) are on "dock". What's | the rationale behind the removable dock? Portability? But, you have to | carry 2 pieces, now. Good question. There are no useful wired connections without the dock. The microUSB port is only for trickle-charging (it has a battery). There are interesting wireless capabilities and a MicroSD, so it can be a hotspot. There are promises of other docks with other I/O configurations Some where shown at CES this month. Summary: Kangaroo is a much better choice, especially for Linux folks, unless the size is an overriding issue.
The reason why I asked is because I've been eyeing Intel BOXSTCK1A8LFC Compute Stick - Intel® Atom Quad-Core Processor Z3735F, 1.33GHz - 1GB RAM - 8GB storage - Linux http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=7_1203_1157&item_id=083440 $99.88 and its Windows versions. Anyways, thanks for the comparison. -- William On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 11:08:02AM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
| From: William Park <opengeometry@yahoo.ca>
| How would do compare this Kangaroo with Intel/Lenovo stick? | CanadaComputers sells Intel/Lenovo sticks, too.
I don't remember in detail, but I think those both are based on a Z3735F processor. That processor tends to come with 32-bit UEFI (not supported by Linux distros except poorly by debian) (Kangaroo has better processor and 64-bit UEFI). USB 3.0 is crucial for fast I/O and I suspect those don't come with USB 3.0 (Kangaroo has one USB 3 and one USB 2). And these sticks are usually more expensive than the sale price of the Kangaroo.
[Hugh wanders off to do homework.]
<http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msca/en_CA/pdp/Lenovo-Ideacentre-Stick-300-Signature-Edition-PC/productID.328221900> - out of stock - $200 (I saw it on Boxing Day for $100) - only USB 2.0, only one - Windows 10 Home, 32-bit: implies 32-bit UEFI
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Compute_Stick> <http://www.amazon.ca/Intel-Compute-Stick-Windows-BOXSTCK1A32WFCR/dp/B00UZ3CYE2> <http://ark.intel.com/products/86612/Intel-Compute-Stick-STCK1A32WFC> - quite a range but only the Z3735F ones are available to us as far as I know. The better ones will be expensive. So I'll only talk about the Z3735F ones. - Ubuntu version has half the RAM and half the eMMC memory (too little). Ignore it. - $209.00! - only USB 2.0, only one - specs don't seem to say whether it has 32-bit UEFI. I infer that from the driver download page that it is 32-bit.
| Kangaroo seems to have | battery and USB3. But, all the ports (HDMI, USB) are on "dock". What's | the rationale behind the removable dock? Portability? But, you have to | carry 2 pieces, now.
Good question. There are no useful wired connections without the dock. The microUSB port is only for trickle-charging (it has a battery). There are interesting wireless capabilities and a MicroSD, so it can be a hotspot.
There are promises of other docks with other I/O configurations Some where shown at CES this month.
Summary: Kangaroo is a much better choice, especially for Linux folks, unless the size is an overriding issue. --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
that looks like a wonderful little 'puter and it's running Linux Ubuntu 14.04 to boot ... you got me wanting one now 8) On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 7:33 PM, William Park <opengeometry@yahoo.ca> wrote:
The reason why I asked is because I've been eyeing
Intel BOXSTCK1A8LFC Compute Stick - Intel® Atom Quad-Core Processor Z3735F, 1.33GHz - 1GB RAM - 8GB storage - Linux
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=7_1203_1157&item_id=083440 $99.88
and its Windows versions. Anyways, thanks for the comparison. -- William
| From: William Park <opengeometry@yahoo.ca>
| How would do compare this Kangaroo with Intel/Lenovo stick? | CanadaComputers sells Intel/Lenovo sticks, too.
I don't remember in detail, but I think those both are based on a Z3735F processor. That processor tends to come with 32-bit UEFI (not supported by Linux distros except poorly by debian) (Kangaroo has better processor and 64-bit UEFI). USB 3.0 is crucial for fast I/O and I suspect those don't come with USB 3.0 (Kangaroo has one USB 3 and one USB 2). And
sticks are usually more expensive than the sale price of the Kangaroo.
[Hugh wanders off to do homework.]
< http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msca/en_CA/pdp/Lenovo-Ideacentre-Stick-3...
- out of stock - $200 (I saw it on Boxing Day for $100) - only USB 2.0, only one - Windows 10 Home, 32-bit: implies 32-bit UEFI
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Compute_Stick> < http://www.amazon.ca/Intel-Compute-Stick-Windows-BOXSTCK1A32WFCR/dp/B00UZ3CY...
<http://ark.intel.com/products/86612/Intel-Compute-Stick-STCK1A32WFC> - quite a range but only the Z3735F ones are available to us as far as I know. The better ones will be expensive. So I'll only talk about
On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 11:08:02AM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: these the
Z3735F ones. - Ubuntu version has half the RAM and half the eMMC memory (too little). Ignore it. - $209.00! - only USB 2.0, only one - specs don't seem to say whether it has 32-bit UEFI. I infer that from the driver download page that it is 32-bit.
| Kangaroo seems to have | battery and USB3. But, all the ports (HDMI, USB) are on "dock". What's | the rationale behind the removable dock? Portability? But, you have to | carry 2 pieces, now.
Good question. There are no useful wired connections without the dock. The microUSB port is only for trickle-charging (it has a battery). There are interesting wireless capabilities and a MicroSD, so it can be a hotspot.
There are promises of other docks with other I/O configurations Some where shown at CES this month.
Summary: Kangaroo is a much better choice, especially for Linux folks, unless the size is an overriding issue. --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 01:16:04AM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
I bought one of these little computers: <http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msca/en_CA/pdp/InFocus-Kangaroo-Signature-Edition-Mobile-Desktop/productID.328660500> If you are a student you an get 10% off of the $149.
I bought mine at newegg for $130 but the price changes regularly.
I'm typing this from a live Fedora stick on this processor. The screen is 3840x2160@30 -- the best mode for this display and pretty good for an Atom.
The CPU is an Intel Atom x5-z8500. I don't really understand the naming scheme.
Scott pointed out that the Intel specs for this processor don't mention the VT-I feature. That scared me. <http://ark.intel.com/products/85474/Intel-Atom-x5-Z8500-Processor-2M-Cache-up-to-2_24-GHz>
It doesn't say it doesn't have it. I know one atom processor that intel explicitly lists as NOT supporting 64bit mode, yet every one I have ever seen of those chips does do 64bit. Very annoying.
Here are the flags from /proc/cpuinfo:
fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm sse4_1 sse4_2 movbe popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes rdrand lahf_lm 3dnowprefetch ida arat epb dtherm tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid tsc_adjust smep erm
As I understand it, vmx means it supports VT-I. Some of the other flags have to do with virtualization too.
BTW, note that it supports AES-NI, something that the Haswell Celeron and Pentium don't do.
Although this doesn't have ethernet, it has a single USB 3.0 port. I've used a USB 3.0 hub to connect a gigabit ethernet dongle and the Fedora live stick.
-- Len Sorensen
| From: D. Hugh Redelmeier <hugh@mimosa.com> | I bought one of these little computers: | <http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msca/en_CA/pdp/InFocus-Kangaroo-Signature-Edition-Mobile-Desktop/productID.328660500> | If you are a student you an get 10% off of the $149. Oops. We've been using ours as an HTPC, running Windows 10. I booted Linux as a test, and it seemed to work. ==> Apparently Linux distros don't know how to drive the sound interface, something I didn't test.
I've recently 1. Bought a kangaroo and stayed with windows for dad. And 2. Found an old wd TV live and zapped it with wdlxtv. The kangaroo is just sexeh but I've not put it into production yet nor put it through its paces performance wise ( that said It took forever to patch ) . The wd TV live is a bit interesting. No WiFi. With mips architecture. It's very media oriented. David Thornton @northdot9 https://www.quadratic.net On Mar 12, 2016 2:32 PM, "D. Hugh Redelmeier" <hugh@mimosa.com> wrote:
| From: D. Hugh Redelmeier <hugh@mimosa.com>
| I bought one of these little computers: | < http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msca/en_CA/pdp/InFocus-Kangaroo-Signatur...
| If you are a student you an get 10% off of the $149.
Oops.
We've been using ours as an HTPC, running Windows 10. I booted Linux as a test, and it seemed to work.
==> Apparently Linux distros don't know how to drive the sound interface, something I didn't test. --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Top posting: This is available today for $125+EHF+tax at newegg.ca ("shellshocker deal"). <http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883722001> Newegg has a new delivery system called "InPost Locker" that works well for me. - free (ground shipping would be $4.99+tax) - delivers quickly to a locker at one of many sites. - one site is a short walk from me, at my local Loblaws - not all items qualify, but the Kangaroo does, at least for me | From: D. Hugh Redelmeier <hugh@mimosa.com> | To: GTALUG Talk <talk@gtalug.org> | Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 14:32:00 -0500 (EST) | Subject: Re: [GTALUG] another little computer: the kangaroo | | | From: D. Hugh Redelmeier <hugh@mimosa.com> | | | I bought one of these little computers: | | <http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msca/en_CA/pdp/InFocus-Kangaroo-Signature-Edition-Mobile-Desktop/productID.328660500> | | If you are a student you an get 10% off of the $149. | | Oops. | | We've been using ours as an HTPC, running Windows 10. I booted Linux as a | test, and it seemed to work. | | ==> Apparently Linux distros don't know how to drive the sound | interface, something I didn't test.
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