Toronto Star videos no longer work
Has anyone else noticed that the videos on the Toronto Star site no longer work with Linux? I've tried Firefox, Seamonkey and Chromium browsers. The videos do work in Windows.
On 04/21/2015 08:07 AM, James Knott wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that the videos on the Toronto Star site no longer work with Linux? I've tried Firefox, Seamonkey and Chromium browsers. The videos do work in Windows.
Forgot to mention, I'm running openSUSE 13.1 and Chrome in Windows doesn't work either.
On 21 April 2015 at 08:07, James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that the videos on the Toronto Star site no longer work with Linux?
No problems with three videos from the "latest videos" page. Ubuntu 14.04, Firefox 37.0.1. If you provide a link to a specific video, I can try it. -- Scott
2015-04-21 9:42 GMT-03:00 Scott Allen <mlxxxp@gmail.com>:
On 21 April 2015 at 08:07, James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that the videos on the Toronto Star site no longer work with Linux?
No problems with three videos from the "latest videos" page. Ubuntu 14.04, Firefox 37.0.1.
If you provide a link to a specific video, I can try it.
Also working just fine in here: Arch Linux + Firefox 37.0.2
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 8:07 AM, James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that the videos on the Toronto Star site no longer work with Linux? I've tried Firefox, Seamonkey and Chromium browsers. The videos do work in Windows.
Running Arch Linux + Firefox 37.0.2 to watch video at this link: https://www.thestar.com/life/sourced/2015/04/08/carls-jrs-queen-west-locatio... I needed to temporarily disable the HTTPS-Everywhere plugin... after restarting and using 'http' links the videos played OK. Chrome 42.0.2311.90 with no plugins played the videos OK. -- (o< .: Per curiositas ad astra .: http://www.circuidipity.com (/)_
On Tue 21 Apr 2015 09:39 -0400, Daniel Wayne Armstrong wrote:
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 8:07 AM, James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that the videos on the Toronto Star site no longer work with Linux? I've tried Firefox, Seamonkey and Chromium browsers. The videos do work in Windows.
Running Arch Linux + Firefox 37.0.2 to watch video at this link:
https://www.thestar.com/life/sourced/2015/04/08/carls-jrs-queen-west-locatio...
Running Arch + youtube-dl works. Now I want some Carls JR
Hmmn I just watched a couple of videos on TheStar.com on one of my Linux boxes (Linuxmint 17) without any problems. I use Google Chrome as my primary browser. --------- Clive DaSilva - cdasilva@iprimus.ca Mailing List - talk@gtalug.org http://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk -----Original Message----- From: talk [mailto:talk-bounces@gtalug.org] On Behalf Of Loui Chang Sent: April-21-15 12:56 PM To: GTALUG Talk Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Toronto Star videos no longer work On Tue 21 Apr 2015 09:39 -0400, Daniel Wayne Armstrong wrote:
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 8:07 AM, James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that the videos on the Toronto Star site no longer work with Linux? I've tried Firefox, Seamonkey and Chromium browsers. The videos do work in Windows.
Running Arch Linux + Firefox 37.0.2 to watch video at this link:
https://www.thestar.com/life/sourced/2015/04/08/carls-jrs-queen-west-l ocation-has-a-dedicated-milkshake-bar-sourced.html
Running Arch + youtube-dl works. Now I want some Carls JR --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org http://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Very strange... I couldn't get the video to work at https://www.thestar.com/life/sourced/2015/04/08/carls-jrs-queen-west-locatio... . I thought maybe it was my adblocking, but disabling that made no difference. I wasn't able to see any video until I went to the "http" (non-secure) version of the page and then it worked. I'm using Chrome, Ubuntu 14.04, and Adobe Flash.
On 04/21/2015 02:13 PM, Tim Tisdall wrote:
Very strange... I couldn't get the video to work at https://www.thestar.com/life/sourced/2015/04/08/carls-jrs-queen-west-locatio... . I thought maybe it was my adblocking, but disabling that made no difference. I wasn't able to see any video until I went to the "http" (non-secure) version of the page and then it worked.
I'm using Chrome, Ubuntu 14.04, and Adobe Flash. --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org http://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
I also see nothing with https everywhere, the video with http --dave -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest davecb@spamcop.net | -- Mark Twain
On 04/21/2015 09:39 AM, Daniel Wayne Armstrong wrote:
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 8:07 AM, James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com <mailto:james.knott@rogers.com>> wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that the videos on the Toronto Star site no longer work with Linux? I've tried Firefox, Seamonkey and Chromium browsers. The videos do work in Windows.
Running Arch Linux + Firefox 37.0.2 to watch video at this link:
https://www.thestar.com/life/sourced/2015/04/08/carls-jrs-queen-west-locatio...
I needed to temporarily disable the HTTPS-Everywhere plugin... after restarting and using 'http' links the videos played OK.
Chrome 42.0.2311.90 with no plugins played the videos OK.
It was HTTPS Everyware that caused the problem. I disabled thestar.com in it, so I'm past that problem. That only leaves the videos that won't play for other reasons. ;-)
On 04/21/2015 12:57 PM, James Knott wrote:
On 04/21/2015 09:39 AM, Daniel Wayne Armstrong wrote:
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 8:07 AM, James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com <mailto:james.knott@rogers.com>> wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that the videos on the Toronto Star site no longer work with Linux? I've tried Firefox, Seamonkey and Chromium browsers. The videos do work in Windows.
Running Arch Linux + Firefox 37.0.2 to watch video at this link:
https://www.thestar.com/life/sourced/2015/04/08/carls-jrs-queen-west-locatio...
I needed to temporarily disable the HTTPS-Everywhere plugin... after restarting and using 'http' links the videos played OK.
Chrome 42.0.2311.90 with no plugins played the videos OK.
It was HTTPS Everyware that caused the problem. I disabled thestar.com in it, so I'm past that problem. That only leaves the videos that won't play for other reasons. ;-)
Now that problem is out of the way, another has turned up. With many videos, I am getting an error message: "The video you are trying to watch is currently unavailable. Please try again later. Error Code:VE_PD_NOTFOUND" When I search on that error code, it appears it's related to Flash, which is no longer being updated for Linux. It also seems to happen on recent videos, not older ones. Any ideas, other than viewing those videos in Windows? Here is a link to one video that fails: http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/04/23/killer-sent-photos-of-dead-wom... BTW, this is in Firefox on openSUSE 13.1.
Worked for me... Chrome in Ubuntu 14.04 On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 11:00 AM, James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
On 04/21/2015 12:57 PM, James Knott wrote:
On 04/21/2015 09:39 AM, Daniel Wayne Armstrong wrote:
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 8:07 AM, James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com <mailto:james.knott@rogers.com>> wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that the videos on the Toronto Star site no longer work with Linux? I've tried Firefox, Seamonkey and Chromium browsers. The videos do work in Windows.
Running Arch Linux + Firefox 37.0.2 to watch video at this link:
https://www.thestar.com/life/sourced/2015/04/08/carls-jrs-queen-west-locatio...
I needed to temporarily disable the HTTPS-Everywhere plugin... after restarting and using 'http' links the videos played OK.
Chrome 42.0.2311.90 with no plugins played the videos OK.
It was HTTPS Everyware that caused the problem. I disabled thestar.com in it, so I'm past that problem. That only leaves the videos that won't play for other reasons. ;-)
Now that problem is out of the way, another has turned up. With many videos, I am getting an error message: "The video you are trying to watch is currently unavailable. Please try again later. Error Code:VE_PD_NOTFOUND"
When I search on that error code, it appears it's related to Flash, which is no longer being updated for Linux. It also seems to happen on recent videos, not older ones. Any ideas, other than viewing those videos in Windows?
Here is a link to one video that fails: http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/04/23/killer-sent-photos-of-dead-wom...
BTW, this is in Firefox on openSUSE 13.1. --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org http://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
On 04/24/2015 11:14 AM, Tim Tisdall wrote:
Worked for me... Chrome in Ubuntu 14.04
It works in Chromium, at least on one computer. However, I generally use Firefox for most of my browsing and Chromium is normally used for stuff related to my GMail account, such as contacts, calendar etc. I still have to find out why that link works in Chromium on my notebook, but not desktop. Also, aren't web site vedeos supposed to be shifting to HTML5? These problems started with recent changes to the Star's web site. Prior to that, the biggest problem was videos starting automatically, when I didn't want them to. ;-)
On 15-04-24 11:19 AM, James Knott wrote:
On 04/24/2015 11:14 AM, Tim Tisdall wrote:
Worked for me... Chrome in Ubuntu 14.04
It works in Chromium, at least on one computer. However, I generally use Firefox for most of my browsing and Chromium is normally used for stuff related to my GMail account, such as contacts, calendar etc.
I still have to find out why that link works in Chromium on my notebook, but not desktop. Also, aren't web site vedeos supposed to be shifting to HTML5? These problems started with recent changes to the Star's web site. Prior to that, the biggest problem was videos starting automatically, when I didn't want them to. ;-)
Worked for me in Firefox under Ubuntu 14.04. Note that HTML5 is, well, HTML. It is not a video format. And there is no single video format supported by all browsers. At least when I last worked on this in January. HTML5 does provide tags so that the server can offer the video in more than one format, and the browser can then select the version it supports. That explains why sites with a huge number of video files are slow to move, because the space requirements double, and perhaps millions of lines of HTML code have to be updated. I can imagine the new HTML5 tags are now being used, but the web site does not yet have a good process for routinely supporting two video file formats. -- Stephen
On 04/24/2015 11:54 AM, Stephen wrote:
That explains why sites with a huge number of video files are slow to move, because the space requirements double, and perhaps millions of lines of HTML code have to be updated.
I can imagine the new HTML5 tags are now being used, but the web site does not yet have a good process for routinely supporting two video file formats.
Older videos on that site still work. It's only recent ones that fail. Perhaps they should be going to HTML5 with the new stuff and leave the older as is for now. Also, Youtube is changing to HTML5 and provides a means to make it default for browsers that don't already favour it. IIRC, they have more than a few videos. ;-)
On 24 April 2015 at 11:00, James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
Here is a link to one video that fails: http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/04/23/killer-sent-photos-of-dead-wom...
Worked for me. Ubuntu 14.04, Firefox 37.0.1, Shockwave Flash 11.2.202.457 plugin. -- Scott
On 04/24/2015 12:57 PM, James Knott wrote:
On 04/24/2015 12:55 PM, James Knott wrote:
On 04/24/2015 12:40 PM, Scott Allen wrote:
Shockwave Flash 11.2.202.457 plugin. How'd you get that? I thought it was no longer available for Linux.
I do have flash player 11.2.202.457 installed in my system, but not as a plugin.
Correction, I do have the plugin. So, what else might I be missing?
On 04/24/2015 01:28 PM, Scott Allen wrote:
On 24 April 2015 at 13:05, James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
So, what else might I be missing? Just speculating... maybe it has something to do with the particular video card/chip and/or driver?
Well, it works in a Windows virtual machine on the same computer.
On 15-04-24 02:21 PM, James Knott wrote:
On 04/24/2015 01:28 PM, Scott Allen wrote:
On 24 April 2015 at 13:05, James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
So, what else might I be missing? Just speculating... maybe it has something to do with the particular video card/chip and/or driver?
It's HTTPS Everywhere again.
Why would HTTPS be a problem for you, but not for others? -- Stephen
On 15-04-24 02:33 PM, Stephen wrote:
On 15-04-24 02:21 PM, James Knott wrote:
On 04/24/2015 01:28 PM, Scott Allen wrote:
On 24 April 2015 at 13:05, James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
So, what else might I be missing? Just speculating... maybe it has something to do with the particular video card/chip and/or driver?
It's HTTPS Everywhere again.
Why would HTTPS be a problem for you, but not for others?
Check that. I went back to you link, and it no longer works for me. -- Stephen
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 02:33:30PM -0400, Stephen wrote:
Why would HTTPS be a problem for you, but not for others?
Most of us don't try to turn every http url into an https url and many websites do NOT offer the same content on http and https and hence if you try you get an error rather than the content you wanted. If you use something like https everywhere incorrectly by trying to make it do https for everything, then things don't work. -- Len Sorensen
On 15-04-24 02:39 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 02:33:30PM -0400, Stephen wrote:
Why would HTTPS be a problem for you, but not for others?
Most of us don't try to turn every http url into an https url and many websites do NOT offer the same content on http and https and hence if you try you get an error rather than the content you wanted.
If you use something like https everywhere incorrectly by trying to make it do https for everything, then things don't work.
I can understand a move to https to make it more difficult for spy agencies. -- Stephen
On 04/24/2015 02:39 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 02:33:30PM -0400, Stephen wrote:
Why would HTTPS be a problem for you, but not for others? Most of us don't try to turn every http url into an https url and many websites do NOT offer the same content on http and https and hence if you try you get an error rather than the content you wanted.
If you use something like https everywhere incorrectly by trying to make it do https for everything, then things don't work.
I've found I can get the videos by disabling it for thestar.com and also Newslook. The idea behind HTTPS Everywhere is to use HTTPS whenever possible. However, some sites, such as thestar.com can cause problems. So, when you identify those sites, you can configure HTTPS Everywhere to not try to use HTTPS on them.
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 02:54:33PM -0400, James Knott wrote:
I've found I can get the videos by disabling it for thestar.com and also Newslook.
The idea behind HTTPS Everywhere is to use HTTPS whenever possible. However, some sites, such as thestar.com can cause problems. So, when you identify those sites, you can configure HTTPS Everywhere to not try to use HTTPS on them.
Which would then be using it correctly. Best would be to have a proper rule added for the site that knows which parts can't be moved to https and allow the rest to move rather than just disabling it for the site entirely. At least that seems to be what the documentation says. -- Len Sorensen
On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 08:07:11 -0400 James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that the videos on the Toronto Star site no longer work with Linux? I've tried Firefox, Seamonkey and Chromium browsers. The videos do work in Windows. --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org http://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
James, I am watching a video on the Toronto Star site right now using Google Chrome on Fedora_20. Netflix works on Google Chrome. -- Howard Gibson hgibson@eol.ca howard.gibson@optech.com jhowardgibson@gmail.com http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson
| From: Howard Gibson <hgibson@eol.ca> | I am watching a video on the Toronto Star site right now using Google Chrome on Fedora_20. | | Netflix works on Google Chrome. [I'm no expert: I don't like Flash so I don't have it on my Linux machines (although some in my family do install Flash). In fact, HTML5 is annoying because finally I'm seeing ad videos in my browser.] I was under the impression that Adobe no longer supports Flash on Linux. But that Chrome (not Chromium, I assume) on Linux does have newer Flash: <http://www.pcworld.com/article/250455/for_flash_on_linux_chrome_will_be_users_only_choice.html> Maybe that policy is no longer operative.
On 04/25/2015 02:54 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
I was under the impression that Adobe no longer supports Flash on Linux. But that Chrome (not Chromium, I assume) on Linux does have newer Flash:
Adobe is still providing security updates, but that's all. Chromium is just an openSUSE packaged version of Chrome, IIRC, and has that "Pepper" available too.
| From: James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> | Chromium is | just an openSUSE packaged version of Chrome, IIRC, and has that "Pepper" | available too. My understanding was that Chrome was the binary built by Google and Chromium was the open-source part of it that anyone could build. This says that Chromium lacks Chrome's built in flash player: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome#Chromium> [I don't use Chrome or Chromium under Linux so I'm not an expert.]
On April 26, 2015 12:09:32 AM EDT, "D. Hugh Redelmeier" <hugh@mimosa.com> wrote:
| From: James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com>
| Chromium is | just an openSUSE packaged version of Chrome, IIRC, and has that "Pepper" | available too.
My understanding was that Chrome was the binary built by Google and Chromium was the open-source part of it that anyone could build.
This says that Chromium lacks Chrome's built in flash player: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome#Chromium>
[I don't use Chrome or Chromium under Linux so I'm not an expert.] --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org http://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
It seems everyone is ditching flash. https://hacked.com/youtube-finally-ditches-flash-html5/ https://hacked.com/russian-hackers-used-flash-vulnerability-foreign-governme... https://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb15-06.html -- Sent via K-9 Mail.
On 04/26/2015 12:09 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
This says that Chromium lacks Chrome's built in flash player: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome#Chromium>
Well, if you read it on the Internet, it must be true. ;-) Here's what's on my openSUSE 13.1 system: "chromium-pepper-flash - Chromium Flash player plugin Pepper API based Adobe Flash plugin for Google's Open Source browser Chromium."
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