Thinking of buying a Dell 3571 and making it dual boot with Windows and Debian. Main reason for Windows is, I want Nikon's ViewNX software for my DSLR camera and can't for the life of me figure out how to run it off an emulator. Does anyone see an issue with a setting up a dual boot?
Beyond the dual boot issue, is ViewNX requirement the only one driving the need for Windows? I use debian to capture media from my Nikon, rename it and edit it. I use darktable to edit both jpegs and nefs. I do all the file uploading in Linux. It just seems to be a lot of work if part of your workflow is in Windows and part in Linux. On 7/27/23 19:55, Gron Arthur via talk wrote:
Thinking of buying a Dell 3571 and making it dual boot with Windows and Debian. Main reason for Windows is, I want Nikon's ViewNX software for my DSLR camera and can't for the life of me figure out how to run it off an emulator.
Does anyone see an issue with a setting up a dual boot?
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On Thu, 27 Jul 2023, Michael Galea via talk wrote:
It just seems to be a lot of work if part of your workflow is in Windows and part in Linux.
Exactly. I've never been a fan of dual booting for precisely this reason. OP, if a pure Linux solution isn't viable could a VM with a USB port connected work? Rob
On 2023-07-27 21:14, Robert Brockway via talk wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jul 2023, Michael Galea via talk wrote:
It just seems to be a lot of work if part of your workflow is in Windows and part in Linux.
Exactly. I've never been a fan of dual booting for precisely this reason.
I used to dual boot to run a 3D modelling program that was Windows only. It was a pain as I would be in Windows and wanting to access some data (or a program) that was in the Linux partition. -- Cheers! Kevin. https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | "Nerds make the shiny things that | distract the mouth-breathers, and Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | that's why we're powerful" #include <disclaimer/favourite> | --Chris Hardwick
On 2023-07-27 21:14, Robert Brockway via talk wrote:
OP, if a pure Linux solution isn't viable could a VM with a USB port connected work?
That should be possible. I run a Windows only 3D modelling program in a VM that boots Windows. The modelling program has access to the USB based Space Navigator device which is plugged in to my machine. -- Cheers! Kevin. https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | "Nerds make the shiny things that | distract the mouth-breathers, and Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | that's why we're powerful" #include <disclaimer/favourite> | --Chris Hardwick
Gron, How critical is that software? GIMP works fine with my Nikon camera. Darktable allows me to remotely control it. On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 19:55:01 -0400 Gron Arthur via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Thinking of buying a Dell 3571 and making it dual boot with Windows and Debian. Main reason for Windows is, I want Nikon's ViewNX software for my DSLR camera and can't for the life of me figure out how to run it off an emulator.
Does anyone see an issue with a setting up a dual boot?
-- Howard Gibson hgibson@eol.ca http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson
I tried to use Darktable and Rawtherapee, but the algorithm to process the Nikon raw files isn't as good as the priority Nikon software. The Nikon software is able to significantly sharpen the raw files, I tried side-by-side comparisons. On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at 8:28 PM Howard Gibson via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Gron,
How critical is that software? GIMP works fine with my Nikon camera. Darktable allows me to remotely control it.
On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 19:55:01 -0400 Gron Arthur via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Thinking of buying a Dell 3571 and making it dual boot with Windows and Debian. Main reason for Windows is, I want Nikon's ViewNX software for my DSLR camera and can't for the life of me figure out how to run it off an emulator.
Does anyone see an issue with a setting up a dual boot?
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| From: Gron Arthur via talk <talk@gtalug.org> | | Thinking of buying a Dell 3571 and making it dual boot with Windows and | Debian. Main reason for Windows is, I want Nikon's ViewNX software for my | DSLR camera and can't for the life of me figure out how to run it off an | emulator. | | Does anyone see an issue with a setting up a dual boot? The Precision 3571 comes with an NVidia GPU. I find them annoying because of lack of open source drivers. The closed source drivers work amazingly well considering that they are out-of-tree. I don't need a discrete GPU but perhaps you do. My computers usually come with Windows. For those computers, I almost always install Linux without deleting Windows. I find it easy to set up dual boot, but that may well be due to lots of practice. There are often little problems that I know how to deal with. Here are a few: - Windows, by default, potentially leaves the filesystems in an inconsistent state when it is shut down! To fix this, on Windows: Control Panel: Hardware and Sound: Power Options Choose what the power button does: click "change settings that are currently unavailable" Under "Shutdown Settings" UN-check "Turn on fast startup" click "save changes" - how to make room for Linux on the disk. Windows can resize filesystems but it won't release more than 50%. You probably want more released. 1. boot a live Linux system and use gparted to shrink Windows partitions to make enough space. I generally leave Windows about 100G 2. boot Windows and ask it to fix the filesystem that you shrunk. (gparted leaves something not quite right but Windows knows how to fix it) 3. boot the Linux install medium and proceed to install. Why do I use dual boot? - warranty support almost always requires Windows - I paid for it, why throw it away? See "Sunk Cost Fallacy" - most systems require Windows for firmware updates. It used to be that you could do firmware updates from a bootable DOS floppy or USB stick but that's almost dead. Some vendors support Linux through fwupd. - once in a blue moon I have something that I want to use Windows for. That means I only need to have Windows on one computer, not many. Summary: mostly habit.
I have multi boot since 20 or more years ago without issues. I once had a system with Windows XP, Windows 2000, two flavors of Linux and OpenBSD at the same time. I believe Grub on one Linux was the one managing everything, it was a long time ago... It was not a PoC, it was my daily driver. Ubuntu was my main system, Gentoo was the Linux I was learning, I had windows 2000 since I built the system and refused to kill it and has some games there that lost the installation disk, Windows XP for the new games, and OpenBSD because why not? I had one vfat partition for sharing files between everybody, it worked. On Fri, Jul 28, 2023, 04:05 D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
| From: Gron Arthur via talk <talk@gtalug.org> | | Thinking of buying a Dell 3571 and making it dual boot with Windows and | Debian. Main reason for Windows is, I want Nikon's ViewNX software for my | DSLR camera and can't for the life of me figure out how to run it off an | emulator. | | Does anyone see an issue with a setting up a dual boot?
The Precision 3571 comes with an NVidia GPU. I find them annoying because of lack of open source drivers. The closed source drivers work amazingly well considering that they are out-of-tree. I don't need a discrete GPU but perhaps you do.
My computers usually come with Windows. For those computers, I almost always install Linux without deleting Windows.
I find it easy to set up dual boot, but that may well be due to lots of practice. There are often little problems that I know how to deal with. Here are a few:
- Windows, by default, potentially leaves the filesystems in an inconsistent state when it is shut down!
To fix this, on Windows:
Control Panel: Hardware and Sound: Power Options Choose what the power button does:
click "change settings that are currently unavailable"
Under "Shutdown Settings" UN-check "Turn on fast startup"
click "save changes"
- how to make room for Linux on the disk. Windows can resize filesystems but it won't release more than 50%. You probably want more released.
1. boot a live Linux system and use gparted to shrink Windows partitions to make enough space. I generally leave Windows about 100G
2. boot Windows and ask it to fix the filesystem that you shrunk. (gparted leaves something not quite right but Windows knows how to fix it)
3. boot the Linux install medium and proceed to install.
Why do I use dual boot?
- warranty support almost always requires Windows
- I paid for it, why throw it away? See "Sunk Cost Fallacy"
- most systems require Windows for firmware updates. It used to be that you could do firmware updates from a bootable DOS floppy or USB stick but that's almost dead. Some vendors support Linux through fwupd.
- once in a blue moon I have something that I want to use Windows for. That means I only need to have Windows on one computer, not many.
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On 2023-07-27 19:55, Gron Arthur via talk wrote:
Thinking of buying a Dell 3571 and making it dual boot with Windows and Debian. Main reason for Windows is, I want Nikon's ViewNX software for my DSLR camera and can't for the life of me figure out how to run it off an emulator.
Have you considered running Windows in a VM under Linux and using the instance of Windows to run ViewNX? Having said that, I should try that myself as I already have two versions of Windows that I run via virtualbox. I should compare ViewNX against the Linux based programs I've been using to manipulate the raw images from my Nikon camera. -- Cheers! Kevin. https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | "Nerds make the shiny things that | distract the mouth-breathers, and Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | that's why we're powerful" #include <disclaimer/favourite> | --Chris Hardwick
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