Do people have opinions about the Framework modular laptop
I see from Slashdot that it has an app store now: * https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/21/10/14/2110258/modular-framework-lapto... * https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/14/22725935/framework-laptop-modular-market... and I wonder if anyone has an opinion of it. --dave -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest dave.collier-brown@indexexchange.com<mailto:dave.collier-brown@indexexchange.com> | -- Mark Twain CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER : This telecommunication, including any and all attachments, contains confidential information intended only for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any dissemination, distribution, copying or disclosure is strictly prohibited and is not a waiver of confidentiality. If you have received this telecommunication in error, please notify the sender immediately by return electronic mail and delete the message from your inbox and deleted items folders. This telecommunication does not constitute an express or implied agreement to conduct transactions by electronic means, nor does it constitute a contract offer, a contract amendment or an acceptance of a contract offer. Contract terms contained in this telecommunication are subject to legal review and the completion of formal documentation and are not binding until same is confirmed in writing and has been signed by an authorized signatory.
I've had my eye on it since the reviewers first got their hands on it. So far the reception has been overwhelmingly positive but finding opinions you can trust can be difficult. I tend to trust Cory, Leo and Linus. https://doctorow.medium.com/the-framework-is-the-most-exciting-laptop-ive-ev... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKTFBpEET0o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSxbc1IN9Gg On 2021-10-15 17:59, Dave Collier-Brown via talk wrote:
I see from Slashdot that it has an app store now:
- https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/21/10/14/2110258/modular-framework-lapto... - https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/14/22725935/framework-laptop-modular-market...
and I wonder if anyone has an opinion of it.
--dave
-- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest dave.collier-brown@indexexchange.com | -- Mark Twain
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I am getting one of the i5 models from their October batch -- shipping any day now. I was due for a new laptop and Framework seemed like a concept that I should financially support. They have a pretty active linux section in their community discussion forums: https://community.frame.work/c/diy-edition/linux/91 ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Friday, October 15th, 2021 at 6:25 PM, GS via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
I've had my eye on it since the reviewers first got their hands on it. So far the reception has been overwhelmingly positive but finding opinions you can trust can be difficult. I tend to trust Cory, Leo and Linus.
https://doctorow.medium.com/the-framework-is-the-most-exciting-laptop-ive-ev...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKTFBpEET0o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSxbc1IN9Gg
On 2021-10-15 17:59, Dave Collier-Brown via talk wrote:
I see from Slashdot that it has an app store now:
- https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/21/10/14/2110258/modular-framework-lapto... - https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/14/22725935/framework-laptop-modular-market...
and I wonder if anyone has an opinion of it.
--dave
-- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest dave.collier-brown@indexexchange.com | -- Mark Twain
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I'm getting one as well for the office with the i7 CPU. I'd hate to see this undertaking fail so hopefully these orders help them some. I've always bought AMD for desktop when it made sense, but mobile AMD CPUs have "burned" me few too many times in the 2000s and I'm now hesitant to get them in a laptop. I hear it's much better now.
On Oct 15, 2021, at 19:21, Erica Peterson via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
I am getting one of the i5 models from their October batch -- shipping any day now. I was due for a new laptop and Framework seemed like a concept that I should financially support. They have a pretty active linux section in their community discussion forums: https://community.frame.work/c/diy-edition/linux/91 <https://community.frame.work/c/diy-edition/linux/91>
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Friday, October 15th, 2021 at 6:25 PM, GS via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
I've had my eye on it since the reviewers first got their hands on it. So far the reception has been overwhelmingly positive but finding opinions you can trust can be difficult. I tend to trust Cory, Leo and Linus.
https://doctorow.medium.com/the-framework-is-the-most-exciting-laptop-ive-ev... <https://doctorow.medium.com/the-framework-is-the-most-exciting-laptop-ive-ever-used-5415da0a46e5> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKTFBpEET0o <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKTFBpEET0o> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSxbc1IN9Gg <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSxbc1IN9Gg> On 2021-10-15 17:59, Dave Collier-Brown via talk wrote:
I see from Slashdot that it has an app store now:
https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/21/10/14/2110258/modular-framework-lapto... <https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/21/10/14/2110258/modular-framework-laptop-gets-marketplace-for-all-those-modules> https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/14/22725935/framework-laptop-modular-market... <https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/14/22725935/framework-laptop-modular-marketplace-launches-spare-parts-upgrades-expansions> and I wonder if anyone has an opinion of it.
--dave
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 at 18:42, GS via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
I've had my eye on it since the reviewers first got their hands on it. So far the reception has been overwhelmingly positive but finding opinions you can trust can be difficult. I tend to trust Cory, Leo and Linus.
https://doctorow.medium.com/the-framework-is-the-most-exciting-laptop-ive-ev...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKTFBpEET0o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSxbc1IN9Gg
On 2021-10-15 17:59, Dave Collier-Brown via talk wrote:
I see from Slashdot that it has an app store now:
https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/21/10/14/2110258/modular-framework-lapto... https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/14/22725935/framework-laptop-modular-market...
and I wonder if anyone has an opinion of it.
Cory is good Toronto content, and among his many achievements, I think excessive honesty is one of them so yes, I'll trust his review. On the other hand, reading it is a bit more than a review of the Framework, as he lays into Lenovo's ThinkPads and mentions that he just had a hip replacement. Wait, what? I think of Cory as "young" (we shared some social groups many years back), what's he doing getting a hip replaced? Okay, I'm getting slightly off track (but then, so did he). I'm enthusiastic about the Framework, and am a likely purchaser ... but I have to admit I'm really, really hoping they come out with an AMD motherboard for the thing before I need my next laptop. That's the only thing I thought was missing: I'm not happy with Intel. Not their market dominance, not their poor price-to-performance ratio, and not their chip's security flaws.
This looks really promising. But short term unboxings and launch-time reviews can only go so far. They've not taken sides on Linux vs Microsoft ... you pay the Windows tax as everything ships with it. But they seem to do testing for its devices under Linux, which would be extra important to me because of its many USB-C modular adapters such as USB-C to HDMI and USB-C to DP. I couldn't tell from the online info how fast it charges or if you can attach wired Ethernet without a dongle (maybe that's a future module). Though the company has good backers, I'll still be wary of long-term viability until it goes through at least a second generation of hardware. I almost bought an Essential Phone and thought it would have staying power too based on the pedigree of the founders. And having modular components is fine so long as people are making and supporting the modules. I understand they'll be publishing the specs and encouraging an ecosystem of modules and accessories, but ... Essential promised that too. As some have said, a Ryzen-based motherboard will be welcome -- especially since nobody seems to like Intel integrated graphics for games -- but given the current Windows 11 problems with AMD the delay can be excused. I've added RAM and replaced batteries in "sealed" laptops and it wasn't too hard. And the variety of dongles is such that any current laptop with a PD-capable USB-C port is able to have external Ethernet and video no matter what ports it ships with. This is the one I bought <https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002191574263.html> for the Ryzen laptop I bought earlier this year. I won't need to upgrade for a while. by then Framework will either have a solid track record or be gone. Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada @evanleibovitch / @el56 On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 12:44, Giles Orr via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 at 18:42, GS via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
I've had my eye on it since the reviewers first got their hands on it.
So far the reception has been overwhelmingly positive but finding opinions you can trust can be difficult. I tend to trust Cory, Leo and Linus.
https://doctorow.medium.com/the-framework-is-the-most-exciting-laptop-ive-ev...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKTFBpEET0o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSxbc1IN9Gg
On 2021-10-15 17:59, Dave Collier-Brown via talk wrote:
I see from Slashdot that it has an app store now:
https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/21/10/14/2110258/modular-framework-lapto...
https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/14/22725935/framework-laptop-modular-market...
and I wonder if anyone has an opinion of it.
Cory is good Toronto content, and among his many achievements, I think excessive honesty is one of them so yes, I'll trust his review. On the other hand, reading it is a bit more than a review of the Framework, as he lays into Lenovo's ThinkPads and mentions that he just had a hip replacement. Wait, what? I think of Cory as "young" (we shared some social groups many years back), what's he doing getting a hip replaced? Okay, I'm getting slightly off track (but then, so did he).
I'm enthusiastic about the Framework, and am a likely purchaser ... but I have to admit I'm really, really hoping they come out with an AMD motherboard for the thing before I need my next laptop. That's the only thing I thought was missing: I'm not happy with Intel. Not their market dominance, not their poor price-to-performance ratio, and not their chip's security flaws. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
They do offer a "DIY version" which you assemble yourself, and can also ship without an OS. It is cheaper than the pre-configured models, but I'm not sure how much of that is labor savings vs. the OS. There is no ethernet jack -- hopefully we'll see a module for that in the future. The only built-in port is the 3.5mm headphone jack, and then you get to choose ports for the four modules -- including USB-C for power. ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Monday, October 18th, 2021 at 1:03 PM, Evan Leibovitch via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
This looks really promising. But short term unboxings and launch-time reviews can only go so far.
They've not taken sides on Linux vs Microsoft ... you pay the Windows tax as everything ships with it. But they seem to do testing for its devices under Linux, which would be extra important to me because of its many USB-C modular adapters such as USB-C to HDMI and USB-C to DP. I couldn't tell from the online info how fast it charges or if you can attach wired Ethernet without a dongle (maybe that's a future module).
Though the company has good backers, I'll still be wary of long-term viability until it goes through at least a second generation of hardware. I almost bought an Essential Phone and thought it would have staying power too based on the pedigree of the founders. And having modular components is fine so long as people are making and supporting the modules. I understand they'll be publishing the specs and encouraging an ecosystem of modules and accessories, but ... Essential promised that too.
As some have said, a Ryzen-based motherboard will be welcome -- especially since nobody seems to like Intel integrated graphics for games -- but given the current Windows 11 problems with AMD the delay can be excused.
I've added RAM and replaced batteries in "sealed" laptops and it wasn't too hard. And the variety of dongles is such that any current laptop with a PD-capable USB-C port is able to have external Ethernet and video no matter what ports it ships with. [This is the one I bought](https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002191574263.html) for the Ryzen laptop I bought earlier this year. I won't need to upgrade for a while. by then Framework will either have a solid track record or be gone.
Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada @evanleibovitch / @el56
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 12:44, Giles Orr via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 at 18:42, GS via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
I've had my eye on it since the reviewers first got their hands on it. So far the reception has been overwhelmingly positive but finding opinions you can trust can be difficult. I tend to trust Cory, Leo and Linus.
https://doctorow.medium.com/the-framework-is-the-most-exciting-laptop-ive-ev...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKTFBpEET0o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSxbc1IN9Gg
On 2021-10-15 17:59, Dave Collier-Brown via talk wrote:
I see from Slashdot that it has an app store now:
https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/21/10/14/2110258/modular-framework-lapto... https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/14/22725935/framework-laptop-modular-market...
and I wonder if anyone has an opinion of it.
Cory is good Toronto content, and among his many achievements, I think excessive honesty is one of them so yes, I'll trust his review. On the other hand, reading it is a bit more than a review of the Framework, as he lays into Lenovo's ThinkPads and mentions that he just had a hip replacement. Wait, what? I think of Cory as "young" (we shared some social groups many years back), what's he doing getting a hip replaced? Okay, I'm getting slightly off track (but then, so did he).
I'm enthusiastic about the Framework, and am a likely purchaser ... but I have to admit I'm really, really hoping they come out with an AMD motherboard for the thing before I need my next laptop. That's the only thing I thought was missing: I'm not happy with Intel. Not their market dominance, not their poor price-to-performance ratio, and not their chip's security flaws. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Of late, wired Ethernet has required dongles mainly because the RJ45 jack is just too thick for modern laptop frames. Pop-out ones have been with us for a long time <https://twitter.com/lkarlslund/status/938695955850907651> in a number of designs <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7fcJM6iunA> but are just too flimsy. IOW, despite the modularity, you're still gonna need to carry a dongle with you in case you want more security, or your hotel room is still one of those that has a cable but no wifi. And I bought my 8-port dongle for less than the price of all but one of the Framework modules (and the one that was cheaper was just a passthrough USB-C). Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada @evanleibovitch / @el56 On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 13:16, Erica Peterson via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
They do offer a "DIY version" which you assemble yourself, and can also ship without an OS. It is cheaper than the pre-configured models, but I'm not sure how much of that is labor savings vs. the OS.
There is no ethernet jack -- hopefully we'll see a module for that in the future. The only built-in port is the 3.5mm headphone jack, and then you get to choose ports for the four modules -- including USB-C for power.
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Monday, October 18th, 2021 at 1:03 PM, Evan Leibovitch via talk < talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
This looks really promising. But short term unboxings and launch-time reviews can only go so far.
They've not taken sides on Linux vs Microsoft ... you pay the Windows tax as everything ships with it. But they seem to do testing for its devices under Linux, which would be extra important to me because of its many USB-C modular adapters such as USB-C to HDMI and USB-C to DP. I couldn't tell from the online info how fast it charges or if you can attach wired Ethernet without a dongle (maybe that's a future module).
Though the company has good backers, I'll still be wary of long-term viability until it goes through at least a second generation of hardware. I almost bought an Essential Phone and thought it would have staying power too based on the pedigree of the founders. And having modular components is fine so long as people are making and supporting the modules. I understand they'll be publishing the specs and encouraging an ecosystem of modules and accessories, but ... Essential promised that too.
As some have said, a Ryzen-based motherboard will be welcome -- especially since nobody seems to like Intel integrated graphics for games -- but given the current Windows 11 problems with AMD the delay can be excused.
I've added RAM and replaced batteries in "sealed" laptops and it wasn't too hard. And the variety of dongles is such that any current laptop with a PD-capable USB-C port is able to have external Ethernet and video no matter what ports it ships with. This is the one I bought <https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002191574263.html> for the Ryzen laptop I bought earlier this year. I won't need to upgrade for a while. by then Framework will either have a solid track record or be gone.
Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada @evanleibovitch / @el56
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 12:44, Giles Orr via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 at 18:42, GS via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
I've had my eye on it since the reviewers first got their hands on it.
So far the reception has been overwhelmingly positive but finding opinions you can trust can be difficult. I tend to trust Cory, Leo and Linus.
https://doctorow.medium.com/the-framework-is-the-most-exciting-laptop-ive-ev...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKTFBpEET0o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSxbc1IN9Gg
On 2021-10-15 17:59, Dave Collier-Brown via talk wrote:
I see from Slashdot that it has an app store now:
https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/21/10/14/2110258/modular-framework-lapto...
https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/14/22725935/framework-laptop-modular-market...
and I wonder if anyone has an opinion of it.
Cory is good Toronto content, and among his many achievements, I think excessive honesty is one of them so yes, I'll trust his review. On the other hand, reading it is a bit more than a review of the Framework, as he lays into Lenovo's ThinkPads and mentions that he just had a hip replacement. Wait, what? I think of Cory as "young" (we shared some social groups many years back), what's he doing getting a hip replaced? Okay, I'm getting slightly off track (but then, so did he).
I'm enthusiastic about the Framework, and am a likely purchaser ... but I have to admit I'm really, really hoping they come out with an AMD motherboard for the thing before I need my next laptop. That's the only thing I thought was missing: I'm not happy with Intel. Not their market dominance, not their poor price-to-performance ratio, and not their chip's security flaws. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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| From: Evan Leibovitch via talk <talk@gtalug.org> | They've not taken sides on Linux vs Microsoft ... you pay the Windows tax | as everything ships with it. That sure sounds like "taking sides" to me. I'm no insider, but the rumours about Microsoft contracts seem to make this wise. If all units ship with Windows, it is cheap. Otherwise it is expensive. I'm not confident that these rumours are accurate these days. Certainly a retail license for Windows is expensive. Unless you buy it from recyclers. Erica said that there is no Windows bundled with the DIY version. Good. The videos make the DIY version sound really easy to assemble (antenna connections on the WiFi card are a little tricky). | As some have said, a Ryzen-based motherboard will be welcome -- especially | since nobody seems to like Intel integrated graphics for games -- but given | the current Windows 11 problems with AMD the delay can be excused. According to some reports, Intel's new notebook iGPUs (Xe) are faster than AMD's iGPUs. I would guess that the Intel GPU drivers for Linux are better too. (I don't care too much since I don't game and I'm not planning on buying a new notebook.) AMD's comparable processors seem a little faster and often have more cores. Neither of these is important to me. What might be more important is that AMD processors might use less power and need less cooling. I've had some problems with Ryzen mobile CPUs and Linux. | I've added RAM and replaced batteries in "sealed" laptops and it wasn't too | hard. Not all laptops are the same. The general trend is to get worse. It takes some skill and research to find where a given laptop model falls on this scale. A lot more laptops have soldered memory now. Most have replaceable NVMe SSDs (not M1 Macs; not Microsoft Surface). Batteries are another matter. Most can be replaced with third-party batteries; my limited experience with these suppliers has been bad. | And the variety of dongles is such that any current laptop with a | PD-capable USB-C port is able to have external Ethernet and video no matter | what ports it ships with. I think so. I imagine that any Framework module is simply a USB C to something adapter. Your solution makes several modules redundant. It's a Good Thing that the industry is converging on USB C for everything. Unfortunately every USB C connector seems to have a different subset of possible features.
On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 12:43:03PM -0400, Giles Orr via talk wrote:
Cory is good Toronto content, and among his many achievements, I think excessive honesty is one of them so yes, I'll trust his review. On the other hand, reading it is a bit more than a review of the Framework, as he lays into Lenovo's ThinkPads and mentions that he just had a hip replacement. Wait, what? I think of Cory as "young" (we shared some social groups many years back), what's he doing getting a hip replaced? Okay, I'm getting slightly off track (but then, so did he).
I'm enthusiastic about the Framework, and am a likely purchaser ... but I have to admit I'm really, really hoping they come out with an AMD motherboard for the thing before I need my next laptop. That's the only thing I thought was missing: I'm not happy with Intel. Not their market dominance, not their poor price-to-performance ratio, and not their chip's security flaws.
I would certainly also like to see an AMD option. Although for me the main issue is that a 13.5" laptop has zero interest to me. Too small. Come with a 15" or 17" and I will be interested. -- Len Sorensen
On 2021-10-18 16:12, Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote:
I would certainly also like to see an AMD option.
Although for me the main issue is that a 13.5" laptop has zero interest to me. Too small. Come with a 15" or 17" and I will be interested.
My wife has a 15" Mac laptop, and never takes it on trips because it's so big. I have a 14" thinkpad and a tiny netbook, and the thinkpad is just a little large for my backpack. 13.5" sounds about right. At home and in the office I have docking stations hooked to quite large screens, so the laptop screen usually only displays my email (;-)) ---dave -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest dave.collier-brown@indexexchange.com | -- Mark Twain CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER : This telecommunication, including any and all attachments, contains confidential information intended only for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any dissemination, distribution, copying or disclosure is strictly prohibited and is not a waiver of confidentiality. If you have received this telecommunication in error, please notify the sender immediately by return electronic mail and delete the message from your inbox and deleted items folders. This telecommunication does not constitute an express or implied agreement to conduct transactions by electronic means, nor does it constitute a contract offer, a contract amendment or an acceptance of a contract offer. Contract terms contained in this telecommunication are subject to legal review and the completion of formal documentation and are not binding until same is confirmed in writing and has been signed by an authorized signatory.
On Tue, 19 Oct 2021 at 07:57, Dave Collier-Brown via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On 2021-10-18 16:12, Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote:
I would certainly also like to see an AMD option.
Although for me the main issue is that a 13.5" laptop has zero interest to me. Too small. Come with a 15" or 17" and I will be interested.
My wife has a 15" Mac laptop, and never takes it on trips because it's so big.
I have a 14" thinkpad and a tiny netbook, and the thinkpad is just a little large for my backpack. 13.5" sounds about right. At home and in the office I have docking stations hooked to quite large screens, so the laptop screen usually only displays my email (;-))
---dave
If I'm at home, the laptop will be connected to an external screen - so I don't care about screen size. If I'm travelling ... anything over 14" is murder on my back when I'm carrying it, so I'll just deal with the small screen size. I like a big screen, but for a laptop, size (or more correctly, "weight") is the constraining factor. -- Giles https://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr@gmail.com
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