U of T alumni mail + Thunderbird
To those with @alumni.utoronto.ca email account, I have an old UofT account, and I'm trying to set it up in Thunderbird. (1) Getting Email: I can download via IMAP. But can't via POP3. Is it same experience for other people? (2) Sending Email: I can't send email via their SMTP server. Thunderbird asks for password which errors out.
Educated guess: You probably need a separate app password for Thunderbird. The app password will be different than the main account password. It may not be possible to get one (see below). Both McGill and the University of Waterloo moved their alumni, and probably student, email services to Microshaft (hotmail, outlook, live or whatever they are calling it this week) a while ago. I believe U of T did the same thing as I have a close friend with a U of T alumni email account. I know with gmail you need to generate an app password to use a mail client. This works fine as I do it in multiple places. Yahoo mail doesn't even allow it anymore unless you pay. I am not sure about regular outlook/hotmail/live accounts and the alumni services might be slightly different. And I know for sure you need an app password for a mail client if you are using Rogers email which is hosted / provided by Yahoo as I have successfully done it recently. So I suggest researching app passwords as your first line of enquiry. I am a little surprised you are able to successfully download via IMAP. This suggests that my educated guess might be off or partially off Microshaft haven't properly implemented the app password feature. On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 9:06 PM William Park via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
To those with @alumni.utoronto.ca email account,
I have an old UofT account, and I'm trying to set it up in Thunderbird.
(1) Getting Email:
I can download via IMAP. But can't via POP3. Is it same experience for other people?
(2) Sending Email:
I can't send email via their SMTP server. Thunderbird asks for password which errors out.
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UofT made some changes recently with authentication, disabling what they’re calling “legacy authentication”. These days, it’s OAUTH2 or you’re stuck with webmail. First, you need to ensure that you’re using Thunderbird 77.0b1 at the minimum. Then, you can follow the instructions in the email they sent about this in March: https://its.utoronto.ca/improving-information-security-by-disabling-legacy-a...
On Apr 17, 2022, at 21:06, William Park via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
To those with @alumni.utoronto.ca email account,
I have an old UofT account, and I'm trying to set it up in Thunderbird.
(1) Getting Email:
I can download via IMAP. But can't via POP3. Is it same experience for other people?
(2) Sending Email:
I can't send email via their SMTP server. Thunderbird asks for password which errors out.
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I only just discovered "davmail" which can be helpful in situations like this. davmail is a server/gateway that you run on your local machine that knows how to talk to Exchange or Office 365 mail servers, and which provides local ports for IMAP, POP, and SMTP. And, it knows how to handle interactive two-factor authentication. So you can use any IMAP mail client (thunderbird, mutt, whatever) however you wish. My use case is that I like using the mutt mail client, which talks IMAP, but does not know how to talk to Exchange. So, I run davmail, set davmail to use "O365Interactive" authentication, and tell mutt to connect to imap://localhost:1143/INBOX and tell it my email address. Mutt prompts me for my password, then davmail pops up a microsoft style two factor authentication window, I put in my authenticator code, and read and reply to mail, save locally, do whatever. And davmail will cache an oauth (or other?) token, so I don't have to deal with multi-factor authentication every time. I use this to connect to the O365 email service for an Ontario educational institution that does not provide IMAP access and which requires multi-factor authentication. So far, so good. Hope this is useful. John
I'm using Thunderbird 68.12esr. I just downloaded Thunderbird-91.8.1 (latest), and found that it doesn't import settings from the old one. WTF! It'll take a week to regenerate all the filter rules and account settings. OS needs upgrading too. :-( Thanks Seneca. On 4/23/22 11:21 AM, Seneca Cunningham via talk wrote:
UofT made some changes recently with authentication, disabling what they’re calling “legacy authentication”. These days, it’s OAUTH2 or you’re stuck with webmail. First, you need to ensure that you’re using Thunderbird 77.0b1 at the minimum. Then, you can follow the instructions in the email they sent about this in March: https://its.utoronto.ca/improving-information-security-by-disabling-legacy-a...
On Apr 17, 2022, at 21:06, William Park via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
To those with @alumni.utoronto.ca email account,
I have an old UofT account, and I'm trying to set it up in Thunderbird.
(1) Getting Email:
I can download via IMAP. But can't via POP3. Is it same experience for other people?
(2) Sending Email:
I can't send email via their SMTP server. Thunderbird asks for password which errors out.
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OK. Got the latest Thunderbird working on my old settings and data. To select the "default" profile, you have to (1) thunderbird --ProfileManager or (2) Help -> More Troubleshooting Information -> Application Basics -> Profiles -> "about:profiles" Online docs says to click "Open Directory". But, it pops up Audacious music player. Crazy. On 4/23/22 13:34, William Park via talk wrote:
I'm using Thunderbird 68.12esr. I just downloaded Thunderbird-91.8.1 (latest), and found that it doesn't import settings from the old one. WTF! It'll take a week to regenerate all the filter rules and account settings. OS needs upgrading too. :-( Thanks Seneca.
On 4/23/22 11:21 AM, Seneca Cunningham via talk wrote:
UofT made some changes recently with authentication, disabling what they’re calling “legacy authentication”. These days, it’s OAUTH2 or you’re stuck with webmail. First, you need to ensure that you’re using Thunderbird 77.0b1 at the minimum. Then, you can follow the instructions in the email they sent about this in March: https://its.utoronto.ca/improving-information-security-by-disabling-legacy-a...
On Apr 17, 2022, at 21:06, William Park via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
To those with @alumni.utoronto.ca email account,
I have an old UofT account, and I'm trying to set it up in Thunderbird.
(1) Getting Email:
I can download via IMAP. But can't via POP3. Is it same experience for other people?
(2) Sending Email:
I can't send email via their SMTP server. Thunderbird asks for password which errors out.
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Follow up from my two cent input yesterday. Best to disregard the app password idea I tabled yesterday. I did some email administration yesterday and it looks like the industry is doing away with app passwords for reasons that are probably obvious to everyone on this email forum. I discovered yesterday that Google is discontinuing app passwords in gmail on May 30, 2022. I suspect Microsoft already has. On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 7:11 PM William Park via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
OK. Got the latest Thunderbird working on my old settings and data. To select the "default" profile, you have to
(1) thunderbird --ProfileManager
or
(2) Help -> More Troubleshooting Information -> Application Basics -> Profiles -> "about:profiles"
Online docs says to click "Open Directory". But, it pops up Audacious music player. Crazy.
On 4/23/22 13:34, William Park via talk wrote:
I'm using Thunderbird 68.12esr. I just downloaded Thunderbird-91.8.1 (latest), and found that it doesn't import settings from the old one. WTF! It'll take a week to regenerate all the filter rules and account settings. OS needs upgrading too. :-( Thanks Seneca.
On 4/23/22 11:21 AM, Seneca Cunningham via talk wrote:
UofT made some changes recently with authentication, disabling what they’re calling “legacy authentication”. These days, it’s OAUTH2 or you’re stuck with webmail. First, you need to ensure that you’re using Thunderbird 77.0b1 at the minimum. Then, you can follow the instructions in the email they sent about this in March:
https://its.utoronto.ca/improving-information-security-by-disabling-legacy-a...
On Apr 17, 2022, at 21:06, William Park via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
To those with @alumni.utoronto.ca email account,
I have an old UofT account, and I'm trying to set it up in Thunderbird.
(1) Getting Email:
I can download via IMAP. But can't via POP3. Is it same experience for other people?
(2) Sending Email:
I can't send email via their SMTP server. Thunderbird asks for password which errors out.
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What? They had me go through all that, and now, "Oops, sorry". Anyways, I found out that you manage profile in Firefox the same way: firefox --ProfileManager On 4/24/22 07:26, Nigel Auger wrote:
Follow up from my two cent input yesterday. Best to disregard the app password idea I tabled yesterday. I did some email administration yesterday and it looks like the industry is doing away with app passwords for reasons that are probably obvious to everyone on this email forum. I discovered yesterday that Google is discontinuing app passwords in gmail on May 30, 2022. I suspect Microsoft already has.
On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 7:11 PM William Park via talk <talk@gtalug.org <mailto:talk@gtalug.org>> wrote:
OK. Got the latest Thunderbird working on my old settings and data. To select the "default" profile, you have to
(1) thunderbird --ProfileManager
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