[GTALUG-Announce] Meeting 13th January at 7:30pm
<http://gtalug.org/meeting/2015-01/> # Social Engineering: Building A Community On Purpose with Mike Hoye Community building in Open Source is usually "organic" - meaning "accidental, unsupervised and messy". The bazaar has matured a lot in the last twenty years, though, and now we know a lot about how we can do better. Mike Hoye, Mozilla's Engineering Community Manager, would like to tell you what works, what doesn't, and why that's important. ## Location George Vari Engineering and Computing Centre 245 Church Street, Room 203 Ryerson University <http://goo.gl/maps/16oJ2> ## Schedule * 7:30 pm - Meeting and presentation. * 9:00 pm - After each meeting a group of GTALUGers move to the The Imperial Pub 54 Dundas St East for refreshments and more socializing. Code of Conduct =============== We want a productive happy community that can welcome new ideas, improve every process every year, and foster collaboration between individuals with differing needs, interests and skills. We gain strength from diversity, and actively seek participation from those who enhance it. This code of conduct exists to ensure that diverse groups collaborate to mutual advantage and enjoyment. We will challenge prejudice that could jeopardize the participation of any person in the community. The Code of Conduct governs how we behave in public or in private whenever the Linux community will be judged by our actions. We expect it to be honored by everyone who represents the community officially or informally, claims affiliation, or participates directly. It applies to activities online or offline. We invite anybody to participate. Our community is open. Please read more about the GTALUG Code of Conduct here: <http://gtalug.org/about/code-of-conduct/>. If you have any questions, comments, or concerns about the GTALUG Code of Conduct please contact one of the GTALUG Board Members. _______________________________________________ announce mailing list announce@gtalug.org http://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/announce
| From: Myles Braithwaite <me@mylesbraithwaite.com> | To: announce@gtalug.org | Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 15:15:44 -0500 | Subject: [GTALUG-Announce] Meeting 13th January at 7:30pm | ## Location | | George Vari Engineering and Computing Centre | 245 Church Street, Room 203 | Ryerson University | | <http://goo.gl/maps/16oJ2> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/23447525> This is a more open platform than Google Maps. Much more in the spirit of GTALUG. If you think something is missing, just add it!
On 13 January 2015 at 00:56, D. Hugh Redelmeier <hugh@mimosa.com> wrote:
<http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/23447525>
This is a more open platform than Google Maps. Much more in the spirit of GTALUG.
I don't see any "get directions" capability, like Google Maps has. And what about street view? I like to familiarise myself with landmarks that I'll be seeing as I approach my destination. It cuts down on distractions, like hunting for address numbers, etc, There's no reason both links couldn't be included, though. -- Scott
On 2015-01-13 07:17 AM, Scott Allen wrote:
I don't see any "get directions" capability, like Google Maps has. http://map.project-osrm.org/
While the OSM database structure is capable of doing routing, it's not hosted on the main server. OSM runs on a tiny budget. Routing data is only as good as the data in OSM, and there are a whole bunch of users who do nothing but fix local routing errors. I don't think you've seen nerdy until you find out some of the very specialised things that OSM mappers do for fun.
And what about street view?
Sheesh; picky-picky. There are a few street view sites associated with OSM; http://openstreetview.org/ is the first I found. No pictures? Add 'em. You have a phone camera and no excuse. Richard W will likely be along with better suggestions, if we can get him away from recreating the Industrial Revolution in his condo … cheers, Stewart
On 13 January 2015 at 08:03, Stewart C. Russell <scruss@gmail.com> wrote:
While the OSM database structure is capable of doing routing, it's not hosted on the main server. OSM runs on a tiny budget.
Sheesh; picky-picky. There are a few street view sites associated with OSM; http://openstreetview.org/ is the first I found.
Great, that's really going to help those who are looking for how to get to GTALUG meetings, which I believe is the reason that a map link is included on the web site.
No pictures? Add 'em. You have a phone camera and no excuse.
I don't have a camera in my phone <http://www.cellphones.ca/cell-phones/nokia-3155i-rock-box/> Plus, if I have to travel to my destination to take pictures of landmarks, to make it easier to find my way there, what's the point? Again, I propose that links to both Google Maps and OSM be included. Let the user decide if they want a pure open source experience, and/or perhaps a more useful one. The more information, the better. -- Scott
Scott Allen wrote:
On 13 January 2015 at 08:03, Stewart C. Russell <scruss@gmail.com> wrote:
Sheesh; picky-picky. There are a few street view sites associated with OSM; http://openstreetview.org/ is the first I found.
Great, that's really going to help those who are looking for how to get to GTALUG meetings, which I believe is the reason that a map link is included on the web site.
It is told that to the ancients, a "map" was a folded-up paper thing depicting the roads one might use to get to one's destination, and the routing algorithms were advanced-for-the-time neurochemical things that ran directly in the user's brain, there being no CPUs or Internet connectivity or cellular data yet. And yet I found my way to meetings, back when this was called TLUG, both ways uphill in the snow. But if you tell kids nowadays, they won't believe a word of it. -- Anthony de Boer
On Jan 14, 2015 7:53 AM, "Anthony de Boer" <adb@adb.ca> wrote:
... both ways uphill in the snow. But if you tell kids nowadays, they won't believe a word of it.
When I were a lad, we didn't have Linux, but we started a Linux user group anyway as an aspirational cargo cult ... (Back in GLUG [Glasgow Linux User Group, c.1995-6] days, we always held meetings in pubs. We found our way there no bother, but strangely, it was always far slower and longer to get home. I wonder why?) Cheers Stewart
Before there was Linux (I know, the dark ages), I remember consulting thick books, given away free, that were an alphabetical listing all of the people and businesses in a given area, along with their addresses and phone numbers. I probably used that technology to get to my first meeting of the Toronto PC User's Group, held at a school near Bayview and York Mills in the late 80's. Good times! On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Stewart Russell <scruss@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 14, 2015 7:53 AM, "Anthony de Boer" <adb@adb.ca> wrote:
... both ways uphill in the snow. But if you tell kids nowadays, they won't believe a word of it.
When I were a lad, we didn't have Linux, but we started a Linux user group anyway as an aspirational cargo cult ...
(Back in GLUG [Glasgow Linux User Group, c.1995-6] days, we always held meetings in pubs. We found our way there no bother, but strangely, it was always far slower and longer to get home. I wonder why?)
Cheers Stewart
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On Wed, 2015-01-14 at 11:42 -0500, James Knott wrote:
On 01/14/2015 09:12 AM, Stewart Russell wrote:
When I were a lad, we didn't have Linux, but we started a Linux user group anyway as an aspirational cargo cult... And it was 5 miles in the snow, uphill both ways. ;-)
Snow, ach! After the landslide buried the village we had to push our way through gravel a hundred and fifty foot deep! There and back, every day! AND fight off the Mole-men.
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:56 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier <hugh@mimosa.com> wrote:
<http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/23447525>
This is a more open platform than Google Maps. Much more in the spirit of GTALUG.
If you think something is missing, just add it!
I don't want this to turn into a flamewar so first thing is as the person who sends out the announced emails I will include both Google Maps and OSM links in the emails. Personally I feel even though Google Maps software or mapping data is not open source it's at least accessible from a pretty much every modern browser and more importantly accessible for people with visual and reading disorders (i.e. dyslexia).
Perhaps when the weather allows t-shirts and shorts again we can organize a mapping party. I haven't done that in ages. --Bob. On January 13, 2015 11:29:55 AM EST, Myles Braithwaite <me@mylesbraithwaite.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:56 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier <hugh@mimosa.com> wrote:
<http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/23447525>
This is a more open platform than Google Maps. Much more in the spirit of GTALUG.
If you think something is missing, just add it!
I don't want this to turn into a flamewar so first thing is as the person who sends out the announced emails I will include both Google Maps and OSM links in the emails.
Personally I feel even though Google Maps software or mapping data is not open source it's at least accessible from a pretty much every modern browser and more importantly accessible for people with visual and reading disorders (i.e. dyslexia). --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org http://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
-- Bob Jonkman bjonkman@sobac.com http://bob.jonkman.ca/blogs/bobjonkman
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Alex Beamish -
Anthony de Boer -
Bob Jonkman -
D. Hugh Redelmeier -
James Knott -
Mel Wilson -
Myles Braithwaite -
Scott Allen -
Stewart C. Russell -
Stewart Russell