Anyone here using Manjaro or OpenSUSE?
Hi all. I'm looking to install a new distro, after using Mint and Kubuntu for a long time. I'm trying to choose whether to try Manjaro or OpenSUSE. Sure, I can install both and can look around. But I'm wondering is there is anyone here who uses either of these distros who might be aware of issues not readily apparent. Intended desktop is KDE. Note: I want to be able to use Dupeguru, Spotify, Skype and Signal, apps that under *buntu require auxilliary PPA repositories. Some of these are dealbreakers if I can't use them. All answers are appreciated. The system is to be installed on an SSD, if that makes a difference. Thanks! -- Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada @evanleibovitch or @el56
Hi, I’ve been on Manjaro for around 3 years now and quite happy with it. No major problems other than sometimes being limited to certain software as the most stable applications on any arch distro come from AUR (Arch Linux User Repository). I have avoided using applications that require PPA repositories since I usually was able to find an alternative on AUR. Spotify and Skype work without issue. I highly recommend this distro. Veronica
On Sep 9, 2018, at 12:14 AM, Evan Leibovitch via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Hi all.
I'm looking to install a new distro, after using Mint and Kubuntu for a long time. I'm trying to choose whether to try Manjaro or OpenSUSE.
Sure, I can install both and can look around. But I'm wondering is there is anyone here who uses either of these distros who might be aware of issues not readily apparent. Intended desktop is KDE.
Note: I want to be able to use Dupeguru, Spotify, Skype and Signal, apps that under *buntu require auxilliary PPA repositories. Some of these are dealbreakers if I can't use them.
All answers are appreciated. The system is to be installed on an SSD, if that makes a difference.
Thanks! -- Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada @evanleibovitch or @el56 --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
On 09/09/18 00:14, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote:
Hi all.
I'm looking to install a new distro, after using Mint and Kubuntu for a long time. I'm trying to choose whether to try Manjaro or OpenSUSE.
Sure, I can install both and can look around. But I'm wondering is there is anyone here who uses either of these distros who might be aware of issues not readily apparent. Intended desktop is KDE.
Note: I want to be able to use Dupeguru, Spotify, Skype and Signal, apps that under *buntu require auxilliary PPA repositories. Some of these are dealbreakers if I can't use them.
There are snaps for all those except Dupeguru (I don't see RPMs for it anywhere either, so it looks like .deb from PPA or .spec RPM build are it). Manjaro and OpenSUSE run snapd with no issues, so you ought to be able to tick 3 of the 4 boxes (snap search <software name>) returns: signal-desktop 1.16.0 snapcrafters - Signal Private Messenger for Windows, Mac, and Linux skype 8.28.0.41 skype✓ classic One Skype for all your devices. New features. New look. All Skype. spotify 1.0.88.353.g15c26ea1-14 spotify✓ - Music for everyone Cheers, Jamon
On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 11:32 AM, Jamon Camisso via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On 09/09/18 00:14, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote:
Hi all.
I'm looking to install a new distro, after using Mint and Kubuntu for a long time. I'm trying to choose whether to try Manjaro or OpenSUSE.
Sure, I can install both and can look around. But I'm wondering is there is anyone here who uses either of these distros who might be aware of issues not readily apparent. Intended desktop is KDE.
Note: I want to be able to use Dupeguru, Spotify, Skype and Signal, apps that under *buntu require auxilliary PPA repositories. Some of these are dealbreakers if I can't use them.
There are snaps for all those except Dupeguru (I don't see RPMs for it anywhere either, so it looks like .deb from PPA or .spec RPM build are it).
Manjaro and OpenSUSE run snapd with no issues, so you ought to be able to tick 3 of the 4 boxes (snap search <software name>) returns:
I'm not at all knowledgeable on the running of either of Manjaro or OpenSUSE but I tried running LXD, which requires the use of snapd, on Debian. Would not recommend using such. IMO any software which takes control from the user and gives the developer control instead really should not be included in anything called 'open source'. In my odyssey with the combination I was using I was able to find out that snapd MUST be udpated, the dev team likes to do it EVERY DAY but will accept doing it only once a month. There was offered a solution where an iptables rule would block that request, to update/upgrade, from happening. After installing such it was very interesting to see that somewhat after the time for the scheduled upgrade/update passed my server would be killed internally. In the process of working with the lxd system (which has the possibility of a lot of good things except for this now total dependency upon snapd) I set up an experimental system to not have any problems created on systems that I need to 'function'. It was on this experimental system that I found that if you use the command sequence # snapd remove lxd followed by # apt remove snapd (I also used # apt purge snapd) only to find that there were still a large number of directories still on the system. The actual removal process is quite tedious taking about 7 or 8 steps to clean up lxd and then, and only then is it possible to remove snapd. Given my 'joys' with this set of systems I would therefore NOT recommend anything to do with snapd. IMO snapd was set up in its fashion to assist Canonical in developing a greater impetus towards its IPO (initial stock offering). While it appears that snapd is supported on other systems that ubuntu a read of the forums will show that there seem to be lots of hiccups on most everything but ubuntu - - - - ymmv! Regards Dee
Funny enough I just started to use Manjaro after my laptops hdd failed last week which had mint KDE. Im running xfce and so far the feel of it is pretty nice coming from someone who's been a looooooong time user of KDE. I haven't had lots of time to play with it but it's pretty quick. Maybe it's the ssd drive too that has the laptop booting in well under 15 seconds. I can have a look at this apps later tonight when I get on it On Sun, Sep 9, 2018, 12:15 AM Evan Leibovitch via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Hi all.
I'm looking to install a new distro, after using Mint and Kubuntu for a long time. I'm trying to choose whether to try Manjaro or OpenSUSE.
Sure, I can install both and can look around. But I'm wondering is there is anyone here who uses either of these distros who might be aware of issues not readily apparent. Intended desktop is KDE.
Note: I want to be able to use Dupeguru, Spotify, Skype and Signal, apps that under *buntu require auxilliary PPA repositories. Some of these are dealbreakers if I can't use them.
All answers are appreciated. The system is to be installed on an SSD, if that makes a difference.
Thanks! -- Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada @evanleibovitch or @el56 --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
I would shy away from opensuse. Its really a server implementation with a desktop façade. It can be a bit ornery to use sometimes. Bill On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 12:15 AM Evan Leibovitch via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Hi all.
I'm looking to install a new distro, after using Mint and Kubuntu for a long time. I'm trying to choose whether to try Manjaro or OpenSUSE.
Sure, I can install both and can look around. But I'm wondering is there is anyone here who uses either of these distros who might be aware of issues not readily apparent. Intended desktop is KDE.
Note: I want to be able to use Dupeguru, Spotify, Skype and Signal, apps that under *buntu require auxilliary PPA repositories. Some of these are dealbreakers if I can't use them.
All answers are appreciated. The system is to be installed on an SSD, if that makes a difference.
Thanks! -- Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada @evanleibovitch or @el56 --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Bill Thanis via talk <talk@gtalug.org> writes: Hi Bill,
I would shy away from opensuse. Its really a server implementation with a desktop façade. It can be a bit ornery to use sometimes.
Please elaborate. I have been using SuSE/Open SUSE almost exclusively since 1996 (before that Zip Slack and Redhat). I have flirted with other distros through the years, but I always come back to OpenSUSE for all my needs. I don't see where it is lacking in the desktop areas. Although I use some KDE apps (not the desktop), but according to many reviews, OpenSUSE has one the best KDE Plasma implementation. Just curious. Charles
When I was running into a few VPN configuration issues with Kubuntu 17.10 (on a multi-boot Thinkpad that already had Ubuntu and Deepin Linux), I reformatted the partition and installed Manjaro KDE as a fourth distro targeting the same /home. The AUR, as compared to PPAs in Ubuntu (or using Gdebi to install deb files) has been a good reason for me to switch to Manjaro KDE from Kubuntu. Firstly, when Ubuntu version upgrades happen (particularly in non-LTS updates), the PPAs have to be updated and reinstalled. Since these are volunteer efforts, I've found some of the more obscure Linux packages that I use not fully "supported" -- in the sense that installation isn't so straightforward. In particular, one benefit of moving to Manjaro has been that Java 6 is still in the AUR! I have an old bookkeeping package where I need an older version (to migrate off!) and Java 6 has been practically impossible for me to install on any Debian-based distro. (I'm okay, but not a master as an Ubuntu system administrator for myself). The Manjaro community has been responsive. As compared to the Ubuntu world, where there are a lot of forums, and then bug reporting, the Manjaro community only has a forum. There's no way to report a bug in Manjaro, per se -- and that's not a negative, it turns out to be a positive. Since Manjaro is a rolling release, the fixes really have to be in the packages themselves (e.g. I'm having some KDE issues with Libreoffice updating from KDE4 to KDE5, but at least the Manjaro team has been helpful with workarounds). One annoyance -- that you may not encounter -- is that Manjaro-Arch Grub is not the same as Ubuntu-Debian Grub. Thus, after I do an Ubuntu or Kubuntu update, I need to repeat a fix, that I've documented at https://ingbrief.wordpress.com/2018/04/09/restoring-manjaro-grub-after-ubunt... . For me, I see long term benefits for being on Manjaro KDE as my main distro. I had tried Manjaro Deepin (which is beautiful) in supporting a friend, but the difference in Grub versions creates too much support work. I've put her on Deepin Linux (and update myself rarely, before I go to visit her for a tuneup). For a bootable USB distro, I'm not sure that there's much benefit for using Manjaro KDE. For a portable USB emergency kit, I would probably use Ubuntu (although I detest Gnome 3 over Unity), or maybe Xubuntu. On all of the computers that my wife uses, I've standardized on Xubuntu LTS, because she doesn't want to fiddle with different desktops, and doesn't use much beyond the browser and standard applications. Given the VPN issues that I've had with Ubuntu 17.10/18.04, I'm not planning on updating her Xubuntu 16.04 anytime soon. On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 12:15 AM Evan Leibovitch via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Hi all.
I'm looking to install a new distro, after using Mint and Kubuntu for a long time. I'm trying to choose whether to try Manjaro or OpenSUSE.
Sure, I can install both and can look around. But I'm wondering is there is anyone here who uses either of these distros who might be aware of issues not readily apparent. Intended desktop is KDE.
Note: I want to be able to use Dupeguru, Spotify, Skype and Signal, apps that under *buntu require auxilliary PPA repositories. Some of these are dealbreakers if I can't use them.
All answers are appreciated. The system is to be installed on an SSD, if that makes a difference.
Thanks! -- Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada @evanleibovitch or @el56 --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
On 09/09/2018 12:14 AM, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote:
Sure, I can install both and can look around. But I'm wondering is there is anyone here who uses either of these distros who might be aware of issues not readily apparent. Intended desktop is KDE.
I've been running openSUSE and SUSE before it for about 15 years. It works well and I'm not aware of any problems. Skype works on it.
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