On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 2:59 AM ac via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:

On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 10:44:45 -0500 o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor@gmail.com> wrote:

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sheepbytes.ca is cool, the local code looks neat and tidy. I am not sure about the security thereof. And just imho S/R would not be optimal to remake this specific java app.. just from playing with the demo and reading the tech doc, if you do decide to remake this in java/whatever it will be a lot of work, even with a fw and/or base. just saying :) If I was going to add the monte carlo portion, I'm not at this time,

On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 8:54 AM ac via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote: <snip> there would be a lot more complexity under the hood. At present I'm thinking something like maybe LibreOffice's dbase for a front end and a postgresql back end. I feel no need to totally re-invent the wheel. If there is another 'kind' of 'frontend' where with some python (also to be learned) needed for glue and calculations well I'm looking.

Python rocks :) I had to learn it myself a few years ago. Although for what you want to do (sheepbytes) maybe try to use what you know? what are you fluent or semi fluent in already? Java/PHP? imho, many languages will easily do what you need :) drawing from my own experience, something like sheepmates is not so much about what you dev it in as the design and structure will take 90+% of the time and the coding will be very easy and very simple. The design and structure will anyway highlight the tools you need, so it is not really so much about gut feel as it is about what you want/need.

Me know nudtink! Programming has been something that I have not pursued at all to date. Starting because of a severe lack of tools in the playpen that I'm now working in. There is some commercial software out there - - - - its just hugely siloed and not always as useful as one is lead to believe by the sales literature. Then I really don't like some company having access to my own information. Oh well - - - - I guess I'm a sucker for doing things the hard way!

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a lot of what sheepmates is and does is also data related... If I were making this, for myself and for local use, I would probably enter the formulas into a spreadsheet and calculate my feed requirements, etc from that...(yes, I am quite lazy - plus this way I can give my spreadsheet out to my sheep mates and get free beer)

I will look into if there is a way to use spreadsheet stuff but part of the issue is that there is a lot of behind the scenes stuff that brings up notices/warning > and gets connected. What you see is over a bunch of other logic and some of that is where more flexibility is needed than in the present iteration.

indeed. which is why a spreadsheet will work so well, as the flexibility is only limited by the users ability and skills (to use Calc and design a spreadsheet that uses sheets, macros and other toys effectively :) - afaik spreadsheets can also have popups (dialog) that can be used for warnings and notices, etc.)

So, a stock standard Calc will probably do the required job quite easily, if it is designed and used effectively. It is also easy to distribute, can easily be customised and chosen/selected/required data could also be exported to a later S/R and from multiple sources :)

Worth looking into - - - one more thing to do! (grin!!!)

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I was going to offer the modified back to the previous as I don't really want to 'own' it merely to extend the present offerings.

cool :)

The use community is likely quite small. There could be lots more people that could use it but finding them - - - - hugely distributed and too many would rather someone else does the work for them. (Its easier that way but then, imo at least, a major management item is being done by someone with no skin in the game.) Regards Dee