pulling the plug on home phone

So rogers has a pretty good deal 90 a month for internet, phone, TV for 2 years. I pay more than that for my home phone alone. Any horror stories using rogers for internet. I have my own voip phone so I'm not so worried about LD Dave Cramer

On 06/01/2016 05:14 PM, Dave Cramer wrote:
So rogers has a pretty good deal 90 a month for internet, phone, TV for 2 years.
I pay more than that for my home phone alone.
Any horror stories using rogers for internet. I have my own voip phone so I'm not so worried about LD
I've been using Rogers phone, cell phone, internet & TV for many years. My "horror" stories are reserved for that piece of garbage that currently passes for a user interface on the PVR. My internet works well and I generally get better bandwidth than I pay for. They're also providing IPv6 now. My phone has been rock solid, no issues with it either. In fact, the first thing I noticed, after switching from Bell, was the superior call quality. What I would like them to do, which can be accomplished with some VoIP providers, is integration of home and cell phones, so that my cell phone could be an extension of my home phone.

Hi Dave, I moved to Rogers in February. I'm very pleased with the service. I pay for 250 Mb down and 20 Mb up but I regularly get 320 Mb down and 20 Mb up. I haven't experienced any outages yet. Randy On 1 Jun 2016, 5:15 p.m., at 5:15 p.m., Dave Cramer <davecramer@gmail.com> wrote:
So rogers has a pretty good deal 90 a month for internet, phone, TV for 2 years.
I pay more than that for my home phone alone.
Any horror stories using rogers for internet. I have my own voip phone so I'm not so worried about LD
Dave Cramer
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Sent from TypeApp On 1 Jun 2016, 7:23 p.m., at 7:23 p.m., James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
On 06/01/2016 06:41 PM, Randy Jonasz wrote:
I moved to Rogers in February. I'm very pleased with the service. I pay for 250 Mb down and 20 Mb up but I regularly get 320 Mb down and 20 Mb up. I haven't experienced any outages yet.
Got IPv6 yet?
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On June 1, 2016 7:28:50 PM EDT, Randy Jonasz <rjonasz@rjonasz.ca> wrote:
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On 1 Jun 2016, 7:23 p.m., at 7:23 p.m., James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
On 06/01/2016 06:41 PM, Randy Jonasz wrote:
I moved to Rogers in February. I'm very pleased with the service. I pay for 250 Mb down and 20 Mb up but I regularly get 320 Mb down and 20 Mb up. I haven't experienced any outages yet.
Got IPv6 yet?
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Depending on your modem you might already have it. Try connecting a computer directly to the modem. You should get an address starting with 2607. If not give Rogers a call. If you use your own router it will have to support ipv6 and dhcpv6-pd.

On Wednesday, June 1, 2016 9:24:16 PM EDT James Knott wrote:
On June 1, 2016 7:28:50 PM EDT, Randy Jonasz <rjonasz@rjonasz.ca> wrote:
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<james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
On 06/01/2016 06:41 PM, Randy Jonasz wrote:
I moved to Rogers in February. I'm very pleased with the service. I pay for 250 Mb down and 20 Mb up but I regularly get 320 Mb down and 20 Mb up. I haven't experienced any outages yet.
Got IPv6 yet?
Depending on your modem you might already have it. Try connecting a computer directly to the modem. You should get an address starting with 2607. If not give Rogers a call. If you use your own router it will have to support ipv6 and dhcpv6-pd.
Well what do you know, all I had to do is enable ipv6 on my router and now I have it. cogito ergo sum

On 06/01/2016 11:36 PM, James Knott wrote:
On 06/01/2016 10:43 PM, Randall Jonasz wrote:
Well what do you know, all I had to do is enable ipv6 on my router and now I have it. Just to verify, you can try ipv6.google.com. If that works, you have IPv6 for sure.
BTW, Rogers is currently handing out blocks of 2^64 (18.4 billion, billion) addresses, though they may increase that later, if that's not enough. ;-)

On 2 June 2016 at 00:20, James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
On 06/01/2016 11:36 PM, James Knott wrote:
On 06/01/2016 10:43 PM, Randall Jonasz wrote:
Well what do you know, all I had to do is enable ipv6 on my router and now I have it. Just to verify, you can try ipv6.google.com. If that works, you have IPv6 for sure.
BTW, Rogers is currently handing out blocks of 2^64 (18.4 billion, billion) addresses, though they may increase that later, if that's not enough. ;-)
What does this mean? Are they handing these out to customers ?
Dave Cramer
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On 06/02/2016 09:18 AM, Dave Cramer wrote:
BTW, Rogers is currently handing out blocks of 2^64 (18.4 billion, billion) addresses, though they may increase that later, if that's not enough. ;-)
What does this mean? Are they handing these out to customers ?
Yep. Each customer currently gets 2^64 addresses and, as I mentioned, that may be increased in the future. Prior to Rogers providing IPv6, I used a 6in4 tunnel to get 2^72 addresses, but I didn't use them all. ;-) IPv6 is quite different in this regard, from IPv4, in that ISPs are supposed to provide at least a /64 prefix, which means the first 64 bits are the network address and the remaining 64, for addresses on the local network. When I used that tunnel, I had a /56 prefix, which meant that the first 56 bits determined my network address and the remaining 72 were mine to use as I desired. When you get big blocks like that, the idea is you use a router to separate the block into multiple /64 networks. It gets even more interesting. Every IPv6 capable device will have a non-routable link local address, which starts with fe80. Then there will be one or more other addresses. For example, you will get MAC address based IPv6 addresses. Since those are tied to a specific device, some people may have privacy concerns. To address (sorry <g>), random number "privacy" addresses are also created, which typically have a lifetime of 24 hours, You can configure your computer to use MAC or random addresses or both. If both, you'd use the random addresses for your web surfing and the MAC addresses for servers you want to reach. So, when you run ifconfig, you will see a link local address, a MAC address and a few random addresses. There are also other address classes, such as unique local, which are routable, but not out to the Internet, in the same manner that RFC 1918 addresses are used. There's an excellent reference called IPv6 Essentials. I recently saw it on Google Play for under $15. http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920023432.do

On 06/02/2016 09:58 AM, James Knott wrote:
IPv6 is quite different in this regard, from IPv4, in that ISPs are supposed to provide at least a /64 prefix, which means the first 64 bits are the network address and the remaining 64, for addresses on the local network.
Forgot to mention, some people are advocating /48 prefixes be handed out to everyone. That's 80 bits for the local portion of the address. There are enough /48s to give well over 4000 of them to every person on earth and this is with about 3/4 of the IPv6 addresses not yet being allocated for any purpose. So, with IPv6, sharing a single address, through NAT, is a thing of the past.

On 2 June 2016 at 10:02, James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
On 06/02/2016 09:58 AM, James Knott wrote:
IPv6 is quite different in this regard, from IPv4, in that ISPs are supposed to provide at least a /64 prefix, which means the first 64 bits are the network address and the remaining 64, for addresses on the local network.
Forgot to mention, some people are advocating /48 prefixes be handed out to everyone. That's 80 bits for the local portion of the address. There are enough /48s to give well over 4000 of them to every person on earth and this is with about 3/4 of the IPv6 addresses not yet being allocated for any purpose. So, with IPv6, sharing a single address, through NAT, is a thing of the past.
The spammers and people trying to break in to machines are going to have to up their game. The number of IP addresses has increased exponentially. Of course once the number of rooted machines increases exponentially the virus traffic alone will choke the net Dave

On 06/02/2016 10:11 AM, Dave Cramer wrote:
The spammers and people trying to break in to machines are going to have to up their game. The number of IP addresses has increased exponentially.
A lot more than exponentially. Most people only have one address. 1 to any power is still just 1.
Of course once the number of rooted machines increases exponentially the virus traffic alone will choke the net
Whether behind NAT or not, a rooted machine is a rooted machine. For example, I have 3 computers at home. Having IPv6 doesn't change that.

On 16-06-02 04:12 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
On Thu, Jun 02, 2016 at 09:18:14AM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: Well via dhcp. You get one /64.
Teksavvy hands out /56 instead. :)
That sounds like a big waste of IP space. Why would any individual need that big a block? -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful!" #include <disclaimer/favourite> | --Chris Hardwick

On Thu, Jun 02, 2016 at 04:36:57PM -0400, Kevin Cozens wrote:
On 16-06-02 04:12 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
On Thu, Jun 02, 2016 at 09:18:14AM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: Well via dhcp. You get one /64.
Teksavvy hands out /56 instead. :)
That sounds like a big waste of IP space. Why would any individual need that big a block?
I don't know. Running a few /64 subnets yourself? On the other hand there are 2^56 of those to go around, so is it really a waste? Some would say that NOT handing them out would be a waste. -- Len Sorensen

On 06/02/2016 04:47 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
On the other hand there are 2^56 of those to go around, so is it really a waste? Some would say that NOT handing them out would be a waste.
As I mentioned earlier, it's possible to give everyone on earth more than 4K /48s. Actually, we have to get away from the idea of IP addresses as a limited resource. There are reasons why people need more than one /64. I already mentioned guest networks. Cars, in the U.S. can already provide a /64 for occupants.

On 06/02/2016 04:36 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote:
On 16-06-02 04:12 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
On Thu, Jun 02, 2016 at 09:18:14AM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote: Well via dhcp. You get one /64.
Teksavvy hands out /56 instead. :)
That sounds like a big waste of IP space. Why would any individual need that big a block?
Some people have many computers. ;-) Actually, some are advocating handing out /48s. One reason for more than just one /64 is multiple networks. For example, many businesses run VLANs. Each one requires a /64. Even home users might want a 2nd /64 for a guest network. The main point is that IPv6 was designed so that address space is no longer an issue. I'm just waiting for my 4000 /48s. ;-)

On 06/02/2016 04:12 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
On Thu, Jun 02, 2016 at 09:18:14AM -0400, Dave Cramer wrote:
What does this mean? Are they handing these out to customers ? Well via dhcp. You get one /64.
Teksavvy hands out /56 instead. :)
According to what I've read elsewhere, Rogers may be handing out bigger blocks in the future.

On Wednesday, June 1, 2016 11:36:32 PM EDT James Knott wrote:
On 06/01/2016 10:43 PM, Randall Jonasz wrote:
Well what do you know, all I had to do is enable ipv6 on my router and now I have it.
Just to verify, you can try ipv6.google.com. If that works, you have IPv6 for sure.
yup works like a charm
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