Hi there, Do we have any Debian User Groups in the GTA? I've been living in Toronto for the past 4 years and never even heard of one, which is a bummer. I'd like to do something this weekend to celebrate Debian Day + 25 years of the project. On a side note: any DDs/DMs on this list? Maybe we can start a group ourselves :-). Thanks, -- Sergio GPG key ID: 237A 54B1 0287 28BF 00EF 31F4 D0EB 7628 65FC 5E36 Please send encrypted e-mail if possible http://sergiodj.net/
On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 3:11 PM, Sergio Durigan Junior via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Hi there,
Do we have any Debian User Groups in the GTA? I've been living in Toronto for the past 4 years and never even heard of one, which is a bummer. I'd like to do something this weekend to celebrate Debian Day + 25 years of the project.
On a side note: any DDs/DMs on this list? Maybe we can start a group ourselves :-).
Does this mean that there are a few more persons who use debian? It seems on many lists, I do belong to a few, that ubuntu had come to be preeminent, which I do hope is not true. Especially so as Canonical is, or has, modified many of its offerings to increase the value in any ipo. I am only a user but would love to be connected to similar using group but wonder if there is enough 'mass' to provide for its existence. Regards Dee
I know Mozilla office use to host Ubuntu release parties but I haven't hear anything about debian here. I'm a debian user by the way, if we need *mass* to organize something. Alex. On 2018-08-17 05:32 PM, o1bigtenor via talk wrote:
On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 3:11 PM, Sergio Durigan Junior via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Hi there,
Do we have any Debian User Groups in the GTA? I've been living in Toronto for the past 4 years and never even heard of one, which is a bummer. I'd like to do something this weekend to celebrate Debian Day + 25 years of the project.
On a side note: any DDs/DMs on this list? Maybe we can start a group ourselves :-).
Does this mean that there are a few more persons who use debian?
It seems on many lists, I do belong to a few, that ubuntu had come to be preeminent, which I do hope is not true. Especially so as Canonical is, or has, modified many of its offerings to increase the value in any ipo.
I am only a user but would love to be connected to similar using group but wonder if there is enough 'mass' to provide for its existence.
Regards
Dee --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
| From: Sergio Durigan Junior via talk <talk@gtalug.org> | Do we have any Debian User Groups in the GTA? Is there a reason to separate Linux users into distros? I'm pretty sure we share most thing and can learn from each other. In other words, consider GTALUG a debian users group. And a Fedora, Ubuntu, Centos, Slackware, Arch, ... group. Even Android. I'm happy enough to include BSD too. What does GTALUG lack that you'd want in a debian group? Could you/we add it?
We have a state of Postgres talk every year or so, I would absolutely love a state of Debian talk, they're the root of a whole group of interesting distros. And I think a state of RedHat every hundred years or so, with each new release (;-)) --dave [Running Fedora, Centos and Ubuntu these days] On 2018-08-17 7:51 p.m., Val Kulkov via talk wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 at 19:48, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
In other words, consider GTALUG a debian users group. And a Fedora, Ubuntu, Centos, Slackware, Arch, ... group. Even Android.
I'm happy enough to include BSD too.
+1. Also, OpenWRT. --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 7:40 AM, David Collier-Brown via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
We have a state of Postgres talk every year or so, I would absolutely love a state of Debian talk, they're the root of a whole group of interesting distros.
And I think a state of RedHat every hundred years or so, with each new release (;-))
--dave [Running Fedora, Centos and Ubuntu these days]
Now that sounds quite interesting - - -there's about what - - - 3 / 4 major families of distros - - -a state of the union for each major might be a wonderful thing now if I could only attend - - - only 2500 km away - - - grin! Regards Dee
On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 8:40 AM David Collier-Brown via talk < talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
We have a state of Postgres talk every year or so, I would absolutely love a state of Debian talk, they're the root of a whole group of interesting distros.
And I think a state of RedHat every hundred years or so, with each new release (;-))
A hundred years between Red Hat talks. I got my first RedHat 5 install CD for $5 from Jan Carlson c. 1997 or so. 79 more years would be a heckava long wait.
--dave [Running Fedora, Centos and Ubuntu these days]
On 2018-08-17 7:51 p.m., Val Kulkov via talk wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 at 19:48, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
In other words, consider GTALUG a debian users group. And a Fedora, Ubuntu, Centos, Slackware, Arch, ... group. Even Android.
I'm happy enough to include BSD too.
+1. Also, OpenWRT.
I think that it has come to pass that the Linux kernel is the most widely distributed kernel on the planet. Remember all the world domination t-shirts that started popped up in the 90's? I even had a set of penguin cufflinks that I got at a trade show. The GTALUG acronym is the Greater Toronto Area Linux Users Group. In my head however, I think of it as Gnu Toronto Area Linux Users Group. This way I remind myself that I use GNU software on a Linux kernel. For questions on the list, specifically mentioning distro in the subject is good if the question is directly related to an install or configuration issue. For smaller special interests, there use to be three or four Install-fests or trade shows a year where Birds Of a Feather could flock together. I don't see much of that advertised anymore. At one time, to assist new Linux users with learning troubleshooting and basic tools, Evan Leibovitch organized Newtlug. However finding sponsored space was difficult and basically it was folded into GTALUG. Fundamentally any hard/soft wares running a linux kernel are fair game for Q & A on the list. We even tolerate questions about <gasp> M$ products, if it relates to playing with SMB or other warez. Organizing a place for a SIG to breakout and meet is a much more difficult task. I think Evan can attest to that. I know he put a lot of effort into Newtlug. However, finding a non competing convenient space to meet at a non competing time was problematic. I think this list is the local linux kernel users bucket and the membership is diverse enough that most answers to questions can be, if not explicitly found, here may certainly be referentially sourced here. Jan, who was the closest thing to a mentor that I and other new users had at the time, passed away many years ago. The recent passing of Peter Hiscocks reminds me of a famous quote by Rousseau. What wisdom can you find that is greater than kindness? I still have the Toshiba Peter offered up to the list. It had the MP bios issue. I had to strip out the battery and hd elements but it still boots SoaS from a usb. I'm a hacker, that is usually meant to be someone who is self taught, I guess as opposed to those who have degree's in EE or Comp Sci. I did teach myself DOS from manuals, but I learned much, if not most of I what I know about installing and using Linux from the people messaging on this list. These are the kind of people who take an interest in other people and help them over some of the very complex hurdles of using this kernel; its associated API's, which natively provide users with much finer grained control over hardware than any of the mainstream OS's and last but not least; the historical developments which have catapulted Linux beyond hacker domain to mainstream desktop use. I could never get Jan to tell me if he was the C of the /etc directory unix lore. Basically the lesson was that developers should not sign consulting contracts authored by employers, they should draft their own, in order to protect the tools they write. I always tell people that I chose Linux because I learn something new, not just how to do something new. However, I never did learn if Jan was that Carlson.
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On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 6:47 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
| From: Sergio Durigan Junior via talk <talk@gtalug.org>
| Do we have any Debian User Groups in the GTA?
Is there a reason to separate Linux users into distros? I'm pretty sure we share most thing and can learn from each other.
In other words, consider GTALUG a debian users group. And a Fedora, Ubuntu, Centos, Slackware, Arch, ... group. Even Android.
I'm happy enough to include BSD too.
What does GTALUG lack that you'd want in a debian group? Could you/we add it?
Greetings Not the op here but i'll leave my $0.005. I'm finding there are small ways the distros are different and when these differences cause some royal pitas it is quite useful to have some seriously clued in person(s) to ask for advice on what to do to rectify the issue. I really do not want to splinter the gtalug at all for I find that I am learning stuff from even the comments etc given on other distros but when I can't find anything on its immenseness (sic - - the web) then I'm stuck as I've got no programming background, even though it looks like I need to start doing such too, being someone who merely uses computers as tools, to do what I would like to get done. Thanking one and all for their consideration and assistance!!! Regards Dee
On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 07:47:41PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:
Is there a reason to separate Linux users into distros? I'm pretty sure we share most thing and can learn from each other.
In other words, consider GTALUG a debian users group. And a Fedora, Ubuntu, Centos, Slackware, Arch, ... group. Even Android.
I'm happy enough to include BSD too.
What does GTALUG lack that you'd want in a debian group? Could you/we add it?
I certainly never saw a need for a debian group. Plenty of us Debian users around. -- Len Sorensen
On Tuesday, September 04 2018, Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote:
On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 07:47:41PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:
Is there a reason to separate Linux users into distros? I'm pretty sure we share most thing and can learn from each other.
In other words, consider GTALUG a debian users group. And a Fedora, Ubuntu, Centos, Slackware, Arch, ... group. Even Android.
I'm happy enough to include BSD too.
What does GTALUG lack that you'd want in a debian group? Could you/we add it?
I certainly never saw a need for a debian group.
Plenty of us Debian users around.
Funny, it's one of the first things I missed. But I guess it depends on how you interact with the GTALUG, among other things. Actually, I'd like to make a correction. I said "User Group", but that's not what I really want/am looking for. I'm more interested in being part of a group of people willing to contribute to Debian, and who share more of the Free Software view/ideals. But that's fine. I'm already investing some time in finding people interested in this specific subject, and that's one of the reasons I didn't reply earlier. Cheers, -- Sergio GPG key ID: 237A 54B1 0287 28BF 00EF 31F4 D0EB 7628 65FC 5E36 Please send encrypted e-mail if possible http://sergiodj.net/
On Tue, Sep 04, 2018 at 04:44:07PM -0400, Sergio Durigan Junior wrote:
Funny, it's one of the first things I missed. But I guess it depends on how you interact with the GTALUG, among other things.
Actually, I'd like to make a correction. I said "User Group", but that's not what I really want/am looking for. I'm more interested in being part of a group of people willing to contribute to Debian, and who share more of the Free Software view/ideals.
But that's fine. I'm already investing some time in finding people interested in this specific subject, and that's one of the reasons I didn't reply earlier.
Some of us do contribute to Debian. Usually I find the Debian mailing lists much better places to do that kind of thing. I just don't see how a local group would provide any benefit there. -- Len Sorensen
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 9:13 AM, Lennart Sorensen via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 04, 2018 at 04:44:07PM -0400, Sergio Durigan Junior wrote:
Funny, it's one of the first things I missed. But I guess it depends on how you interact with the GTALUG, among other things.
Actually, I'd like to make a correction. I said "User Group", but that's not what I really want/am looking for. I'm more interested in being part of a group of people willing to contribute to Debian, and who share more of the Free Software view/ideals.
But that's fine. I'm already investing some time in finding people interested in this specific subject, and that's one of the reasons I didn't reply earlier.
Some of us do contribute to Debian. Usually I find the Debian mailing lists much better places to do that kind of thing. I just don't see how a local group would provide any benefit there.
Being one is is in what would seem to be a severe backwater how and/or where can one access these 'Debian mailing lists'. I would likely not have code to contribute but have at times run into some very puzzling problems where I could have benefited from 'expert' adivce. Regards Dee
On 05/09/18 12:02, o1bigtenor via talk wrote:
Being one is is in what would seem to be a severe backwater how and/or where can one access these 'Debian mailing lists'. I would likely not have code to contribute but have at times run into some very puzzling problems where I could have benefited from 'expert' adivce.
Open buffet of lists: https://lists.debian.org/users.html Take your pick! Cheers, Jamon
I don't think just pointing to a very long page with mailing list with no other explanation is very helpful. Olbigtenor, if you have a problem with particular package, you can go to https://www.debian.org/Bugs/ look for that package you're having the problem with and see a discussion related to that particular issue. I.e. Here are all the issues related to firmware-amd-graphics -- https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=unstable;package=firmware... You can look at a particular bug like this page -- https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=907598 Then you can contribute to the conversation just by emailing to 907598@bugs.debian.org (reply link on the page). In order to report bugs you can report them via email -- https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting Or install reportbug which will help you format bug report along with automatically selecting all the relevant configuration from your system -- https://wiki.debian.org/reportbug However you need to configure your computer to send email, which sometimes can be a bit annoying. Hope that helps, Alex. On 2018-09-05 12:20 p.m., Jamon Camisso via talk wrote:
On 05/09/18 12:02, o1bigtenor via talk wrote:
Being one is is in what would seem to be a severe backwater how and/or where can one access these 'Debian mailing lists'. I would likely not have code to contribute but have at times run into some very puzzling problems where I could have benefited from 'expert' adivce. Open buffet of lists: https://lists.debian.org/users.html
Take your pick!
Cheers, Jamon --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
On Wed, Sep 05, 2018 at 12:31:24PM -0400, Alex Volkov via talk wrote:
I don't think just pointing to a very long page with mailing list with no other explanation is very helpful.
Olbigtenor, if you have a problem with particular package, you can go to https://www.debian.org/Bugs/ look for that package you're having the problem with and see a discussion related to that particular issue. I.e. Here are all the issues related to firmware-amd-graphics --
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=unstable;package=firmware...
You can look at a particular bug like this page -- https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=907598
Then you can contribute to the conversation just by emailing to 907598@bugs.debian.org (reply link on the page).
In order to report bugs you can report them via email -- https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
Or install reportbug which will help you format bug report along with automatically selecting all the relevant configuration from your system -- https://wiki.debian.org/reportbug
However you need to configure your computer to send email, which sometimes can be a bit annoying.
Well reportbug does support saving the report to a file that you can then send from a machine that does have email access, but yes having direct email sending ability makes it much easier to use. -- Len Sorensen
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Alex Volkov via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
I don't think just pointing to a very long page with mailing list with no other explanation is very helpful.
Olbigtenor, if you have a problem with particular package, you can go to https://www.debian.org/Bugs/ look for that package you're having the problem with and see a discussion related to that particular issue. I.e. Here are all the issues related to firmware-amd-graphics --
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=unstable;package=firmware...
You can look at a particular bug like this page -- https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=907598
Then you can contribute to the conversation just by emailing to 907598@bugs.debian.org (reply link on the page).
In order to report bugs you can report them via email -- https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
Or install reportbug which will help you format bug report along with automatically selecting all the relevant configuration from your system -- https://wiki.debian.org/reportbug
However you need to configure your computer to send email, which sometimes can be a bit annoying.
Hope that helps,
maybe - - - if one 'knows' what's causing the problems. When not - - - oh well, its really difficult! regards dee
Le 5 septembre 2018 à 14:39, o1bigtenor via talk <talk@gtalug.org> a écrit : [snip]
maybe - - - if one 'knows' what's causing the problems. When not - - - oh well, its really difficult!
Hi Dee, I'd suggest you subscribe to debian-user@lists.debian.org. That's a very high volume list for general help inquiries when you don't really know where the problem lies. Be prepared to wade through lots of topics you not interested in to find replies to your question. -- znoteer znoteer@mailbox.org
On Wed, Sep 05, 2018 at 11:02:08AM -0500, o1bigtenor wrote:
Being one is is in what would seem to be a severe backwater how and/or where can one access these 'Debian mailing lists'. I would likely not have code to contribute but have at times run into some very puzzling problems where I could have benefited from 'expert' adivce.
https://lists.debian.org has them all. They have a general users list, there are various developer lists, lists for each architecture (port), etc. Just about everything done in Debian is done on public mailing lists. -- Len Sorensen
On Wednesday, September 05 2018, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
On Tue, Sep 04, 2018 at 04:44:07PM -0400, Sergio Durigan Junior wrote:
Funny, it's one of the first things I missed. But I guess it depends on how you interact with the GTALUG, among other things.
Actually, I'd like to make a correction. I said "User Group", but that's not what I really want/am looking for. I'm more interested in being part of a group of people willing to contribute to Debian, and who share more of the Free Software view/ideals.
But that's fine. I'm already investing some time in finding people interested in this specific subject, and that's one of the reasons I didn't reply earlier.
Some of us do contribute to Debian. Usually I find the Debian mailing lists much better places to do that kind of thing. I just don't see how a local group would provide any benefit there.
I don't think I understand your reply. Perhaps you're not familiar with concepts like sprints, or BSPs (Bug Squashing Parties). I never claimed that I was looking to replace the Debian mailing lists. My intention is to foster the development of Debian by gathering people who are interested in doing so. I know a bunch of fellow developers who have active communities in their countries, and this is a nice way to spread knowledge about the system. Anyway, I honestly don't think I need to keep justifying the reasons here. I don't quite understand the "silent opposition" to the idea, but then again, GTALUG is a completely different group. Cheers, -- Sergio GPG key ID: 237A 54B1 0287 28BF 00EF 31F4 D0EB 7628 65FC 5E36 Please send encrypted e-mail if possible http://sergiodj.net/
On Wed, Sep 05, 2018 at 03:36:27PM -0400, Sergio Durigan Junior via talk wrote:
I don't think I understand your reply. Perhaps you're not familiar with concepts like sprints, or BSPs (Bug Squashing Parties). I never claimed that I was looking to replace the Debian mailing lists. My intention is to foster the development of Debian by gathering people who are interested in doing so. I know a bunch of fellow developers who have active communities in their countries, and this is a nice way to spread knowledge about the system.
I have heard of them happening. I have never been able to think of a reason they would be that useful. I suppose that is also why they hold DebConf every year or so. I had considered going to the one last year in Montreal, but more important things got in the way unfortunately.
Anyway, I honestly don't think I need to keep justifying the reasons here. I don't quite understand the "silent opposition" to the idea, but then again, GTALUG is a completely different group.
I wasn't opposing it, I just hadn't missed not having such a thing. -- len Sorensen
There was a group of people that were interested in debian that came to TLUG many years ago. I know that they met informally as well, but to my knowledge the group fizzled out as people became busy. I can't remember anyone who attended the informally meeting though. Anyone admit to being part of this group? Bill On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 1:06 PM Lennart Sorensen via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 05, 2018 at 03:36:27PM -0400, Sergio Durigan Junior via talk wrote:
I don't think I understand your reply. Perhaps you're not familiar with concepts like sprints, or BSPs (Bug Squashing Parties). I never claimed that I was looking to replace the Debian mailing lists. My intention is to foster the development of Debian by gathering people who are interested in doing so. I know a bunch of fellow developers who have active communities in their countries, and this is a nice way to spread knowledge about the system.
I have heard of them happening. I have never been able to think of a reason they would be that useful. I suppose that is also why they hold DebConf every year or so. I had considered going to the one last year in Montreal, but more important things got in the way unfortunately.
Anyway, I honestly don't think I need to keep justifying the reasons here. I don't quite understand the "silent opposition" to the idea, but then again, GTALUG is a completely different group.
I wasn't opposing it, I just hadn't missed not having such a thing.
-- len Sorensen --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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