

On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at 01:55:26PM -0500, David Mason wrote:
https://medium.com/backchannel/why-i-m-saying-goodbye-to-apple-google-and-mi...
Strange... Cyanogenmod is Android app.

| From: William Park <opengeometry@yahoo.ca> | On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at 01:55:26PM -0500, David Mason wrote: | > https://medium.com/backchannel/why-i-m-saying-goodbye-to-apple-google-and-mi... | | Strange... Cyanogenmod is Android app. It's more like an Android distro. I think that for a particular device, it is usually cobbled together from bits of the official distro (because device drivers tend to be closed source). But I could be wrong: I've never run it. The water is definitely muddied by Cyanogen Inc. For example, on the OnePlus CI produced the official (for now) Android port.

On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at 02:23:56PM -0500, William Park wrote
On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at 01:55:26PM -0500, David Mason wrote:
https://medium.com/backchannel/why-i-m-saying-goodbye-to-apple-google-and-mi...
Strange... Cyanogenmod is Android app.
Cyanogenmod is to Android as BSD is to Mac OSX. Cyanogenmod is free of Google-Garbage. It's a lot faster and more under your control. -- Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>

On 2 March 2015 at 05:56, Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org> wrote:
On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at 02:23:56PM -0500, William Park wrote
On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at 01:55:26PM -0500, David Mason wrote:
https://medium.com/backchannel/why-i-m-saying-goodbye-to-apple-google-and-mi...
Strange... Cyanogenmod is Android app.
Cyanogenmod is to Android as BSD is to Mac OSX. Cyanogenmod is free of Google-Garbage. It's a lot faster and more under your control.
Cyanogen Inc. is now a for-profit company with its own agenda, and I'm leery of their claims that "it's all good and we're keeping everything open source" - especially now that they're getting funding from Microsoft. I'm sure that RMS has consigned them to the bin for this move - I'm a bit more open-minded than that, but seriously skeptical about the turn of events. I think your comparison is apt, but the future is less than clear - and that's worth noting too. See also the OnePlus mess. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr@gmail.com

| From: Giles Orr <gilesorr@gmail.com> | Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 10:07:15 -0500 | Cyanogen Inc. is now a for-profit company with its own agenda, and I'm | leery of their claims that "it's all good and we're keeping everything | open source" - especially now that they're getting funding from | Microsoft. I'm sure that RMS has consigned them to the bin for this | move - I'm a bit more open-minded than that, but seriously skeptical | about the turn of events. <https://cyngn.com/press/cyanogen-announces-strategic-partnership-with-microsoft> <http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-apps-services-to-be-integrated-with-cyanogen-android-os/?tag=nl.e539&s_cid=e539&ttag=e539&ftag=TRE17cfd61>

| https://medium.com/backchannel/why-i-m-saying-goodbye-to-apple-google-and-mi... Interesting. I think that he's half right about a lot of stuff. Apple was NEVER a good guy with respect to freedom. Except accidentally. For example, the computers after the Apple II were much more locked down. An underdog often looks like a Good Guy. It would have little power to impose its will on its customers. It would have great incentive to produce as much value in its product as it could so that it can improve market share. If the underdog ever becomes overdog, beware. For me, Linux has been pretty usable on notebooks for quite some time (20 years). For Gilmor, the required tools were probably not there initially, but perhaps more important was the impression of inadequacy. Barriers that might have mattered: - careful picking of notebook to not get stuck with unsupported devices (gotten much better) - residual configuration not done by vendor. One good step was getting a reasonable defaulting in Xorg so that xorg.conf was generally not needed. - Open Office getting "good enough". Very subjective. In fact it may well not be the best choice for ones actual task but it falls naturally to hand due to MS Office's mind share. - games - Adobe Flash (Apple has almost killed it! Yay!) - proprietary software (eg Tax software) The big privacy battles are now internet-related. Many are beyond our reasonable control. I can't imagine giving up internet search (I use Duck Duck Go but I don't think that eliminates the problem). The vast majority of the internet is bought and paid for by privacy-destroying marketing.
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D. Hugh Redelmeier
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David Mason
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Giles Orr
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Walter Dnes
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William Park