Browsers (and Thorium to be specific)
Hi all. I've been a happy (sorta) user of Firefox for a long long time but I found I have needed a Chromium-based backup because there are some sites that Just Won't Work under FF. Blank white screens, hanging, missing frames, the problem varies but it never exists on Chrome or Edge. (Sorry, Brave, just couldn't get into it.) Now The YouTube recommendation algorithms have been of late feeding me with quite a few reviews of the Thorium browser, some of which come from channels I have watched before. Is it worth the hype? At very least, is it a better alternative to Chrome or Edge? I would like to sync bookmarks, plugins and logins between devices and have some sense of stability (is that it will be around for a while). Is there something else even better? Thanks for any feedback. -- Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada @evanleibovitch / @el56
On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 02:07:36PM -0500, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote:
I've been a happy (sorta) user of Firefox for a long long time but I found I have needed a Chromium-based backup because there are some sites that Just Won't Work under FF. Blank white screens, hanging, missing frames, the problem varies but it never exists on Chrome or Edge. (Sorry, Brave, just couldn't get into it.)
Now The YouTube recommendation algorithms have been of late feeding me with quite a few reviews of the Thorium browser, some of which come from channels I have watched before.
Is it worth the hype? At very least, is it a better alternative to Chrome or Edge? I would like to sync bookmarks, plugins and logins between devices and have some sense of stability (is that it will be around for a while). Is there something else even better?
It is pretty annoying that chrome has become the new IE. Lots of web developers only use chrome and don't care that their javascript or html doesn't work on other browsers anymore. I use chrome as little as possible, but yes a few sites are so badly made that they don't work on anything else. -- Len Sorensen
Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote on 2023-11-23 11:38:
It is pretty annoying that chrome has become the new IE. Lots of web developers only use chrome and don't care that their javascript or html doesn't work on other browsers anymore.
I too find it annoying. Especially since the standards are so well implemented by all (both) the major browsers, and the cutting edge features should gracefully degrade but not break the site. Any examples of a site that doesn't work with Firefox? I might give one a try; it's beautiful and sunny outside and I'm not just not feeling angry enough. Need something to fix that. rb
On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 2:56 PM Ron / BCLUG via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote on 2023-11-23 11:38:
It is pretty annoying that chrome has become the new IE. Lots of web developers only use chrome and don't care that their javascript or html doesn't work on other browsers anymore.
I too find it annoying.
Especially since the standards are so well implemented by all (both) the major browsers, and the cutting edge features should gracefully degrade but not break the site.
Any examples of a site that doesn't work with Firefox?
I might give one a try; it's beautiful and sunny outside and I'm not just not feeling angry enough. Need something to fix that.
Chuckling!!!! I can really empathize!! I use FF as my main browser it usually seems to work - - - - its the only browser that doesn't barf at my using more than 1 virtual desktop (I use a lot!!!). To get some chromium connection - - - well I have Brave, Vivaldi, Opera, as well as Links 2 and Min which I only use sporadically. I am starting to think of using a non-javascript browser - - - I'm just so tired of the bloated number of linked in domains I've found to almost 350 at times - - - now that's nuts!!! HTH
I by default don't run JS, and then with the Noscript plugin, grant js access. Many sites will block you without JS running. Though I depend on FF, which usually works, I don't mind if web sites crack and don't render well. I also regularly run Tor. I haven't had an issue with Chrome, other than that my version is no longer supported and they want me to upgrade my Linux version. On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 at 17:36, o1bigtenor via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 2:56 PM Ron / BCLUG via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote on 2023-11-23 11:38:
It is pretty annoying that chrome has become the new IE. Lots of web developers only use chrome and don't care that their javascript or html doesn't work on other browsers anymore.
I too find it annoying.
Especially since the standards are so well implemented by all (both) the major browsers, and the cutting edge features should gracefully degrade but not break the site.
Any examples of a site that doesn't work with Firefox?
I might give one a try; it's beautiful and sunny outside and I'm not just not feeling angry enough. Need something to fix that.
Chuckling!!!!
I can really empathize!!
I use FF as my main browser it usually seems to work - - - - its the only browser that doesn't barf at my using more than 1 virtual desktop (I use a lot!!!).
To get some chromium connection - - - well I have Brave, Vivaldi, Opera, as well as Links 2 and Min which I only use sporadically.
I am starting to think of using a non-javascript browser - - - I'm just so tired of the bloated number of linked in domains I've found to almost 350 at times - - - now that's nuts!!!
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Don Tai via talk wrote on 2023-11-23 15:46:
I by default don't run JS, and then with the Noscript plugin, grant js access. Many sites will block you without JS running. Though I depend on FF, which usually works, I don't mind if web sites crack and don't render well.
I ran with default no JS for years and years, then I just stopped. Wasn't worth the breakage, and for a good decade or so now many of the best & brightest developers have been hired by big tech to implement safer, more sand-boxed JS environments. I think I have U-Block set to disable 3rd party scripts, all the rest allowed by default, blocked if problematic. A much more pleasant web experience. I like to point out that if it weren't for the capabilities that modern JS has, we'd be trying to have monthly meetings with Win32 apps in WINE, faffing about constantly with tech issues, probably having to resort to mobile devices, ... Linux would be largely unusable for a lot of modern web usage. I've become kinda fond of poor ol' JavaScript, it doesn't deserve the reputation it has. rb
So ... nobody uses Thorium? On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 4:21 AM Ron / BCLUG via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Don Tai via talk wrote on 2023-11-23 15:46:
I by default don't run JS, and then with the Noscript plugin, grant js access. Many sites will block you without JS running. Though I depend on FF, which usually works, I don't mind if web sites crack and don't render well.
I ran with default no JS for years and years, then I just stopped.
Wasn't worth the breakage, and for a good decade or so now many of the best & brightest developers have been hired by big tech to implement safer, more sand-boxed JS environments.
I think I have U-Block set to disable 3rd party scripts, all the rest allowed by default, blocked if problematic.
A much more pleasant web experience.
I like to point out that if it weren't for the capabilities that modern JS has, we'd be trying to have monthly meetings with Win32 apps in WINE, faffing about constantly with tech issues, probably having to resort to mobile devices, ...
Linux would be largely unusable for a lot of modern web usage.
I've become kinda fond of poor ol' JavaScript, it doesn't deserve the reputation it has.
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-- Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada @evanleibovitch / @el56
On Fri, 24 Nov 2023 10:24:20 -0500 Evan Leibovitch via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
So ... nobody uses Thorium?
i am having a google free black friday... so, Thorium is a web browser? which natively does not support .js? or supports it? cool name, Thorium. sounds like something like kryptonite for Thor :) I can google it 2morrow or you can just tell me today why it is cool?
On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 4:21 AM Ron / BCLUG via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Don Tai via talk wrote on 2023-11-23 15:46:
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