Looks like IBM is planning to eliminate RHEL
This is sad. But the article is an interesting backgrounder on the internal chaos thats leading up to this. "They said that OS development was knocked down to lowest priority,” Ryan noted. It says it right there. That may explain quite a lot, not just about RHEL’s direction but also Fedora’s. We see more vendor tie-in/lock-in, more software patents (monopoly) and not much of real value." IBM is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning, Jim Whitehurst Isn’t Even Using GNU/Linux | Techrights http://techrights.org/2020/08/02/red-hat-layoffs/ Russell
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 6:43 AM Russell Reiter via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
This is sad. But the article is an interesting backgrounder on the internal chaos thats leading up to this.
"They said that OS development was knocked down to lowest priority,” Ryan noted. It says it right there. That may explain quite a lot, not just about RHEL’s direction but also Fedora’s. We see more vendor tie-in/lock-in, more software patents (monopoly) and not much of real value."
IBM is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning, Jim Whitehurst Isn’t Even Using GNU/Linux | Techrights
I was once reading that site and it accused Greg kh and Sasha Levin of being Microsoft stooges. I knew enough about it then. (Fun bit I think he reads it for entertainment to see what they will come with next). Seriously, even phoronix is a serious news site compared to that one. Dhaval
Hey Phoronix got me through some kind of puzzling stuff relatively unscathed. I just liked some of the more pointed comments from this article, like its either RPM and reboot or Flatpak from the cloud. I never personally used MS much past dos 6.2. I think thats because I got a late start in computing and was exposed to Linux early on. I think I joined tlug in 95 or 96 and settled into Red Hat. So like most people, I poke fun at the things that scare me, like having to learn a whole new OS updating mechanisim. Or having to fudge rpm packages into apt updates. Cheers Russell “Th’ newspaper does ivrything f’r us. It runs th’ polis foorce an’ th’ banks, commands th’ milishy, controls th’ ligislachure, baptizes th’ young, marries th’ foolish, comforts th’ afflicted, afflicts th’ comfortable, buries th’ dead an’ roasts thim aftherward.” F. P. Dunne On Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 10:36 AM Dhaval Giani, <dhaval.giani@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 6:43 AM Russell Reiter via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
This is sad. But the article is an interesting backgrounder on the internal chaos thats leading up to this.
"They said that OS development was knocked down to lowest priority,” Ryan noted. It says it right there. That may explain quite a lot, not just about RHEL’s direction but also Fedora’s. We see more vendor tie-in/lock-in, more software patents (monopoly) and not much of real value."
IBM is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning, Jim Whitehurst Isn’t Even Using GNU/Linux | Techrights
I was once reading that site and it accused Greg kh and Sasha Levin of being Microsoft stooges. I knew enough about it then. (Fun bit I think he reads it for entertainment to see what they will come with next).
Seriously, even phoronix is a serious news site compared to that one.
Dhaval
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 11:04 AM Russell Reiter <rreiter91@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Phoronix got me through some kind of puzzling stuff relatively unscathed. I just liked some of the more pointed comments from this article, like its either RPM and reboot or Flatpak from the cloud.
Ha, no offense meant at phoronix. It is their brand of click baity headlines I am not a fan of. Their performance suite is something that is useful taken in context. I just wish they would do something more substantial and take it to the next level. You see all the great ingredients and then the work is left as an exercise to the reader ;-). Techrights however, I won't even bother.
I never personally used MS much past dos 6.2. I think thats because I got a late start in computing and was exposed to Linux early on. I think I joined tlug in 95 or 96 and settled into Red Hat. So like most people, I poke fun at the things that scare me, like having to learn a whole new OS updating mechanisim. Or having to fudge rpm packages into apt updates.
Cheers
Russell
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On Wednesday, August 05 2020, Russell Reiter via talk wrote:
This is sad. But the article is an interesting backgrounder on the internal chaos thats leading up to this.
"They said that OS development was knocked down to lowest priority,” Ryan noted. It says it right there. That may explain quite a lot, not just about RHEL’s direction but also Fedora’s. We see more vendor tie-in/lock-in, more software patents (monopoly) and not much of real value."
IBM is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning, Jim Whitehurst Isn’t Even Using GNU/Linux | Techrights
This website is absolutely not trustworthy. The person behind it posts made-up articles and fake information often times. I confronted him once or twice before, but he's got an agenda and conspiracy theories to make him feel good about what he's doing, so it's hard (a.k.a. useless) to argue. Unfortunately he's very vocal in the community, which IMHO is detrimental to those who are actively trying to promote the Free Software ideals. -- Sergio GPG key ID: 237A 54B1 0287 28BF 00EF 31F4 D0EB 7628 65FC 5E36 Please send encrypted e-mail if possible https://sergiodj.net/
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 9:52 PM Sergio Durigan Junior via talk < talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 05 2020, Russell Reiter via talk wrote:
This is sad. But the article is an interesting backgrounder on the internal chaos thats leading up to this.
"They said that OS development was knocked down to lowest priority,” Ryan noted. It says it right there. That may explain quite a lot, not just about RHEL’s direction but also Fedora’s. We see more vendor tie-in/lock-in, more software patents (monopoly) and not much of real value."
IBM is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning, Jim Whitehurst Isn’t Even Using GNU/Linux | Techrights
This website is absolutely not trustworthy. The person behind it posts made-up articles and fake information often times. I confronted him once or twice before, but he's got an agenda and conspiracy theories to make him feel good about what he's doing, so it's hard (a.k.a. useless) to argue.
Well in the article he said, "Flatpak used to depend strictly on systemd (they apparently fixed that, at least temporarily)." Earlier versions did depend on systemd for cgroups. I know that is true I have this alias in .bashrc "alias psc='ps xawf -eo pid,user,cgroup,args'" from earlier days. Frankly not all that long ago. Calling what was done a temporary fix may be not kind, but it's not necessarily not true, given the way stuff can be broken as systemd becomes more mainstream and other mitigating factors.
Unfortunately he's very vocal in the community, which IMHO is detrimental to those who are actively trying to promote the Free Software ideals.
Some people have humble opinions, others do not. That is just the nature of writing opinion pieces for publications. It may not be kind to say that MS is dumping a lot of cruft into Red Hat but you would have to be an insider to know that for sure. Just as you would to find out if there really is a slogan that says "Watson Everywhere" or "Cloud Everywhere." My point is that critical thinking starts with criticism. Whether the criticism is notable or whether it is not worthy, is usually an exercise left to the reader. Personally I wouldn't wait for Red Hat to pull Fedora support in order to find out if that statement was true. I would however explore the possibility that it may be true and plan for it accordingly. Just a note on writing opinions. All articles are "made up" writing is an imaginative art from. In the McLuhan sense of media in a post "electronically enabled" global village, internet publications are a tricky medium. As the man said perhaps even; the message itself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_McLuhan Now I'm not saying I felt the earth shudder when IBM bought Red Hat, but I did feel the winds of change coming with WSL. Some people said secure boot was a way to prevent FOSS from being installed on modern systems, some say that was nonsense, others say good hackers can bypass that restriction. It's all a matter of who's opinions you rely on and which lense you are using to filter the content. The theory of conspiracy is that some of them turn out to be true, some others are believed to be true and some others are false. The truth and reconciliation movement in Canada, by stating there is systematic racism in this country, validates that there was a conspiracy to keep indiginous peoples in their place, on reservations and predominantly segregated from the rest of a rapidly industrializing white colonialist society. That conspiracy is now considered to be a theory proven true by that very Commission which is charged with making the future determinations of reconciliation. As for Dr. Roy, perhaps he is the Dr. Phil of internet linux media, that there is no grand plan to eliminate FOSS, but I won't sweat the small stuff on that. I'll just take it with a grain of salt and keep hacking alternatives around just in case.
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I've spoken to some actual Red Hat employees who they said the article has been widely circulated and has served as a good laugh. No booms are being lowered that they're aware of and morale remains decent. I'm wary of the source based on Dr. Ray's previous articles.He's obsessed with Microsoft (such as an article that claims Richard Stallman's successor at the FSF is a Microsoft stooge <http://techrights.org/2020/08/06/fsf-microsoft-github/>) and the site has an ongoing series called "Billwatch <http://techrights.org/billwatch-resurrected/>". Another recent example is an article headlined "People Who Believe Global Warning is a ‘Hoax’ Are the Types Who Might Think Microsoft Really Loves Linux <http://techrights.org/2020/07/31/the-microsoft-hoax/>". Anyway, you get the idea. Healthy skepticism about Redmond's intentions are healthy, but not when pushed to conspiracy-theory levels. And now the same treatment is being applied to IBM. Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada @evanleibovitch / @el56
Business policies most often make sense when looked at through the lens of "The Rules of Acquisition". If you don't have "The lobes for profit" then you will likely see conspiracies behind every decision. On 8/6/20 9:43 AM, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote:
I've spoken to some actual Red Hat employees who they said the article has been widely circulated and has served as a good laugh. No booms are being lowered that they're aware of and morale remains decent.
I'm wary of the source based on Dr. Ray's previous articles.He's obsessed with Microsoft (such as an article that claims Richard Stallman's successor at the FSF is a Microsoft stooge <http://techrights.org/2020/08/06/fsf-microsoft-github/>) and the site has an ongoing series called "Billwatch <http://techrights.org/billwatch-resurrected/>". Another recent example is an article headlined "People Who Believe Global Warning is a ‘Hoax’ Are the Types Who Might Think Microsoft Really Loves Linux <http://techrights.org/2020/07/31/the-microsoft-hoax/>".
Anyway, you get the idea. Healthy skepticism about Redmond's intentions are healthy, but not when pushed to conspiracy-theory levels. And now the same treatment is being applied to IBM.
Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada @evanleibovitch / @el56
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On Thu, 6 Aug 2020 at 09:52, Alvin Starr via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Business policies most often make sense when looked at through the lens of "The Rules of Acquisition". If you don't have "The lobes for profit" then you will likely see conspiracies behind every decision.
Did that concept <https://www.st-minutiae.com/resources/rulesofacquisition.html>exist before Deep Space Nine? - Evan
On 8/6/20 9:56 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
On Thu, 6 Aug 2020 at 09:52, Alvin Starr via talk <talk@gtalug.org <mailto:talk@gtalug.org>> wrote:
Business policies most often make sense when looked at through the lens of "The Rules of Acquisiion". If you don't have "The lobes for profit" then you will likely see conspiracies behind every decision.
Did that concept <https://www.st-minutiae.com/resources/rulesofacquisition.html>exist before Deep Space Nine?
I do not believe that The Rules of Acquisition existed before DS-9. But they nicely reflect the business practices over the last 50, 60,70... 100 years. With the "Greed is Good" concept it has become a bit more out in the open Someone needs to fill out the whole set of rules and then it could be taught as a MBA course at the Rotman School of Management. -- Alvin Starr || land: (647)478-6285 Netvel Inc. || Cell: (416)806-0133 alvin@netvel.net ||
On Thu, 6 Aug 2020 at 10:31, Alvin Starr <alvin@netvel.net> wrote:
I do not believe that The Rules of Acquisition existed before DS-9. But they nicely reflect the business practices over the last 50, 60,70... 100 years. With the "Greed is Good" concept it has become a bit more out in the open
Someone needs to fill out the whole set of rules and then it could be taught as a MBA course at the Rotman School of Management.
It exists <https://www.amazon.ca/Atlas-Shrugged-Ayn-Rand/dp/0451191145/ref=sr_1_1>, though more as a philosophy text than a rulebook. - Evan
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 11:51 AM Evan Leibovitch via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On Thu, 6 Aug 2020 at 10:31, Alvin Starr <alvin@netvel.net> wrote:
I do not believe that The Rules of Acquisition existed before DS-9. But they nicely reflect the business practices over the last 50, 60,70... 100 years. With the "Greed is Good" concept it has become a bit more out in the open
Someone needs to fill out the whole set of rules and then it could be taught as a MBA course at the Rotman School of Management.
It exists <https://www.amazon.ca/Atlas-Shrugged-Ayn-Rand/dp/0451191145/ref=sr_1_1>, though more as a philosophy text than a rulebook.
If we are going to quote science fiction, don't forget Heinlein. Predates DS9 by a couple of iterations. “To permit irresponsible authority is to sell disaster.” ― Robert A. Heinlein, Starship Troopers
- Evan
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... The truth and reconciliation movement in Canada, by stating there is systematic racism in this country ...
But there is systemic and horrific racism in this country. I'm sure many of us here were affected by "No Canadian Experience" hiring policies. Just because a website espouses strong opinions doesn't make it right. As someone much smarter than me recently wrote, "The Truth is Paywalled but the Lies are Free". Stewart
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 4:56 PM Stewart Russell via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
... The truth and reconciliation movement in Canada, by stating there is systematic racism in this country ...
But there is systemic and horrific racism in this country. I'm sure many of us here were affected by "No Canadian Experience" hiring policies.
Here's the full paragraph where you trimmed how reconciliation is being validated, no buts about it. The theory of conspiracy is that some of them turn out to be true, some others are believed to be true and some others are false. The truth and reconciliation movement in Canada, by stating there is systematic racism in this country, validates that there was a conspiracy to keep indiginous peoples in their place, on reservations and predominantly segregated from the rest of a rapidly industrializing white colonialist society. That conspiracy is now considered to be a theory proven true by that very Commission which is charged with making the future determinations of reconciliation.
Just because a website espouses strong opinions doesn't make it right. As someone much smarter than me recently wrote, "The Truth is Paywalled but the Lies are Free".
Not sure about which website you are talking about here. Who said the truth is paywalled? that would make a world of difference to the content of your reply.
Stewart
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As someone much smarter than me recently wrote, "The Truth is Paywalled but
the Lies are Free".
Stewart
I call absolute bullshit on this assertion, which I have seen in meme form at a number of locations. It's provably wrong. Most of the objectively least-biased and most trustworthy news sources <https://www.adfontesmedia.com/static-mbc/> are freely accessible: NPR, Reuters, Associated Press, ABC, CBS and others.... Other sources that I also find interesting go even further <https://theconversation.com/ca>, allowing their journalism to be shared under Creative Commons rules. What is paywalled is elitist analysis, editorials, op-eds and assorted claptrap. Most often it's elitist neoliberal claptrap (NYT, WaPo, G&M, NatPo), but -- as the Toronto Star demonstrates -- elitist progressive lefty claptrap can be paywalled too. Please allow that meme the painful death it deserves. - Evan
Hmmn, Reuters and Associated Press are middlemen, while NPR, ABC, CBS and the Conversation are "leaf" sites, as are the highly opinionated sites like NYT, WaPo, G&M, NatPo and Toronto Sta. I wonder if there is a relationship to the "paywallness"? --dave On 2020-08-07 12:48 a.m., Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote: As someone much smarter than me recently wrote, "The Truth is Paywalled but the Lies are Free". I call absolute bullshit on this assertion, which I have seen in meme form at a number of locations. It's provably wrong. -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest dave.collier-brown@indexexchange.com<mailto:dave.collier-brown@indexexchange.com> | -- Mark Twain CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER : This telecommunication, including any and all attachments, contains confidential information intended only for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any dissemination, distribution, copying or disclosure is strictly prohibited and is not a waiver of confidentiality. If you have received this telecommunication in error, please notify the sender immediately by return electronic mail and delete the message from your inbox and deleted items folders. This telecommunication does not constitute an express or implied agreement to conduct transactions by electronic means, nor does it constitute a contract offer, a contract amendment or an acceptance of a contract offer. Contract terms contained in this telecommunication are subject to legal review and the completion of formal documentation and are not binding until same is confirmed in writing and has been signed by an authorized signatory.
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 9:37 PM Dave Collier-Brown via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Hmmn, Reuters and Associated Press are middlemen, while NPR, ABC, CBS and the Conversation are "leaf" sites, as are the highly opinionated sites like NYT, WaPo, G&M, NatPo and Toronto Sta.
Reuters and AP (Associated Press), UP (United Press) International, and CP (Canadian Press), the Canadian AP arm, used to be called wire photo services, They would aggregate selected stories from local papers around the world. It was service by subscription. They would license the stories for use by local news publishers and push them to the locally subscribed outlets via teletype. Not sure what a leaf site is but I'd have to filter out the word maple to even begin to start looking that up on the internet.
I wonder if there is a relationship to the "paywallness"?
Well the Washington Post gives every reader access to 20 articles every month. Others give a smaller amount of access before the paywall kicks in. But following the principle of zero convergence which says that as the cost of delivering media converges with zero, so does the value of the content; currently the WP only wants 39 CAD for a years subscription, I think that is quite reasonable. I'd pay it but I never seem to go over the monthly limit. For the most part I think Evan hit the nail on the head ... What is paywalled is elitist analysis, editorials, op-eds and assorted claptrap. I find that if it's just the details I am looking for, if I hit a paywall I just move on till I find them. Funnily enough, NP seems to have reigned in Conrad Black. His writing voice changed so radically a year or so ago that I'm pretty sure he's being edited to pair down his ego which shines so brightly, even after a prison term. In that case 39c is too much for the subscription. At least Rex Murphey is funny. But both of them seem to regurgitate multi syllable dictionary words in order to inflate the perceived value of the content. Journalistic flair aside, there is the propaganda value of confusing language, which business and governments so often rely on. Fun fact ... using Lynx as a text reader, stops the annoying pop ups. So no advertisement video pops up or audio starts while I'm trying to quietly read the local news with my morning coffee, like now. Although Evans link to "The Conversation" returns a bad html notice, other text readers on Android, parse out all the xml cruft and give me plain text content. --dave
On 2020-08-07 12:48 a.m., Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote:
As someone much smarter than me recently wrote, "The Truth is Paywalled
but the Lies are Free".
I call absolute bullshit on this assertion, which I have seen in meme form at a number of locations.
It's provably wrong.
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