well, OSX is a UNIX based system I am told, so perhaps not totally off topic. Trustworthy source for slightly older Mac hardware? Meaning not on kigigi if that makes sense. I rather seriously seek a macbook or macbook pro old enough to still have line in line out and headphone jacks, and an optical drive. ideas? For example an apple users group, or someone hiding this in a closet? Cheers, Kare