video: Benno Rice on "The Tragedy of systed" (fwd)
I posted this link to the list over five years ago. Look in the archives: there were a number of replies. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk <talk@gtalug.org> To: Toronto Linux Users Group <talk@gtalug.org> Cc: D. Hugh Redelmeier <hugh@mimosa.com> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 18:12:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [GTALUG] video: Benno Rice on "The Tragedy of systed" Reply-To: D. Hugh Redelmeier <hugh@mimosa.com>, GTALUG Talk <talk@gtalug.org> I think that this is pretty interesting: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo> --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote on 2024-11-05 14:59:
Subject: [GTALUG] video: Benno Rice on "The Tragedy of systemd"
I think that this is pretty interesting:
That's a *great* video for anyone caring about the history of Unix, init systems, etc. Benno Rice is a FreeBSD dev, author, and excellent presenter. The video is from linuxconf.au - so a Linux conference. In it, he clears up a lot of the FUD that surrounds the topic, and even suggests that the BSDs will possibly get an services management system at some point. One of the better tech videos I've ever watched.
On Wed, Nov 6, 2024, at 00:17, Ron / BCLUG via talk wrote:
D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote on 2024-11-05 14:59:
Subject: [GTALUG] video: Benno Rice on "The Tragedy of systemd"
I think that this is pretty interesting:
That's a *great* video for anyone caring about the history of Unix, init systems, etc.
I learned a lot from that presentation! Thanks Hugh for the repost. I also highly recommend reading the post about "contempt culture" cited near the beginning of the talk: https://blog.aurynn.com/2015/12/16-contempt-culture
From: Daniel Wayne Armstrong via talk <talk@gtalug.org>
I also highly recommend reading the post about "contempt culture" cited near the beginning of the talk:
Interesting. Thanks for pointing it out. Still relevant 9 years on. Perhaps it should be required reading for Linux fans. I'm thinking how much this maps into the US Democrats vs Republicans schism. I'm perhaps too invested in being anti-Trump. But when I read the "intent is magic!" link, I'm pushed even more.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 10:26 AM Daniel Wayne Armstrong via talk < talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
I also highly recommend reading the post about "contempt culture" cited near the beginning of the talk:
Very interesting reading. It recalls 2014 when I was far more deeply into content management systems than I am now. That year Toronto hosted both a DrupalCon (@Ryerson) and a WordCamp (@Humber) and I went to both. They had similar attendance numbers but I was frankly gobsmacked at the gender gap. Men accounted for more than 90% of the Drupal conference but were definitely a minority at the Wordpress event. The sneering condescension that Drupal people had towards Wordpress -- which was not reciprocated -- was very much in evidence. At that point I realized that the difference between the two was far more cultural than technical as their practical features, capabilities and scalability converged. Conventional objective comparisons were pointless because their biggest distinction was unquantifiable. IOW, Wordpress was a safe space for women in CMSs, just as the concept was becoming a thing. It wouldn't surprise me at all that these cultural differences have played a significant factor in WordPress coming to power nearly half the Internet while Drupal is at about 1%. These days, if anything I find Ghost more interesting than either WP or Drupal. But I'd be interested to know if their relative demographics have changed. The article also recalls -- now that I think about it -- my reaction to the use of "M$" and other such cavalier Microsoft-bashing in open source circles these days. Once upon a time the criticism was well deserved, now it's just puerile. - Evan
On Nov 9, 2024, at 13:43, Evan Leibovitch via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
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The article also recalls -- now that I think about it -- my reaction to the use of "M$" and other such cavalier Microsoft-bashing in open source circles these days. Once upon a time the criticism was well deserved, now it's just puerile.
That was “M string”, a valid variable name in the BASIC language that Microsoft did a lot to promote in the 70s and 80s. I think it was meant playfully at the time. But Microsoft’s business model has evolved considerably since then, I haven’t seen a BASIC interpreter in Windows this century, and remembering that history probably has me marked as a greybeard. Anthony
On Sat, Nov 9, 2024 at 6:35 PM Anthony de Boer via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On Nov 9, 2024, at 13:43, Evan Leibovitch via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
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The article also recalls -- now that I think about it -- my reaction to the use of "M$" and other such cavalier Microsoft-bashing in open source circles these days. Once upon a time the criticism was well deserved, now it's just puerile.
That was “M string”, a valid variable name in the BASIC language that Microsoft did a lot to promote in the 70s and 80s. I think it was meant playfully at the time. But Microsoft’s business model has evolved considerably since then, I haven’t seen a BASIC interpreter in Windows this century, and remembering that history probably has me marked as a greybeard.
Anthony
There's always https://gambas.sourceforge.net/en/main.html :) And if I recall correctly, there is something called FreeBASIC, as well as a bunch of other projects floating around. -nick
Another story pf the social impact of our technology: https://corecursive.com/reiserfs/# Many in this group would probably enjoy other CoRecursive podcasts. ../Dave On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 at 13:43, Evan Leibovitch via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 10:26 AM Daniel Wayne Armstrong via talk < talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
I also highly recommend reading the post about "contempt culture" cited near the beginning of the talk:
Very interesting reading.
It recalls 2014 when I was far more deeply into content management systems than I am now. That year Toronto hosted both a DrupalCon (@Ryerson) and a WordCamp (@Humber) and I went to both. They had similar attendance numbers but I was frankly gobsmacked at the gender gap. Men accounted for more than 90% of the Drupal conference but were definitely a minority at the Wordpress event. The sneering condescension that Drupal people had towards Wordpress -- which was not reciprocated -- was very much in evidence. At that point I realized that the difference between the two was far more cultural than technical as their practical features, capabilities and scalability converged. Conventional objective comparisons were pointless because their biggest distinction was unquantifiable. IOW, Wordpress was a safe space for women in CMSs, just as the concept was becoming a thing. It wouldn't surprise me at all that these cultural differences have played a significant factor in WordPress coming to power nearly half the Internet while Drupal is at about 1%.
These days, if anything I find Ghost more interesting than either WP or Drupal. But I'd be interested to know if their relative demographics have changed.
The article also recalls -- now that I think about it -- my reaction to the use of "M$" and other such cavalier Microsoft-bashing in open source circles these days. Once upon a time the criticism was well deserved, now it's just puerile.
- Evan
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