Greetings I am in need of learning how to setup Apache2, Postgresql, NFS at the same time as I am setting up my NAS box running OpenMediaVault. OMV looks very impressive but with these plugins (and on the sides) there is a tremendous amount that needs to be setup and if its not right - - - well let's just say things are interesting. I have found over the years that man pages and tech docs for Linux, GNU and the like are written for those that really do know what they are doing and merely need a reminder to remember how to EXACTLY write something or set that something up so that a desired result happens. Now to the rest of us who use these tools and have not spent years memorizing C, C++, C#, Python, perl, sql are don't consider these our mother tongue the docs are most often less than useful and too many times less than comprehensible (one of the biggest lacks is examples of good and bad usage of commands). I have learnt my way around certain things and have almost gotten comfortable doing things 'under the hood' but being faced with all of the first paragraph (adding in remote server VirtualBox vms at the very least) is a wee bit daunting. Have found official docs but these assume a lot and as soon as there is something that doesn't work exactly as expected - - - well - - - I'm supposed to know how to modify things (by osmosis I think!). Does anyone out there have suggestion(s) on how to guides for setup, modification and learning at least the first 3 listed? I would be very grateful to find (have already spent many hours looking for how to do things using duckduck) some straightforward guides. When I try to look for something specific like Apache2.2 - - - well all too often its for 2.0 or 2.4 or its 8 years old and nothing in Debian 8 is even similar (different file names for example). I have been trying to keep a log enumerating what I am doing so that hopefully my experiences will be useful for some for at least a short while. TIA Dee
2015-08-24 21:44 GMT-03:00 o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor@gmail.com>:
Greetings
I am in need of learning how to setup Apache2, Postgresql, NFS at the same time as I am setting up my NAS box running OpenMediaVault.
OMV looks very impressive but with these plugins (and on the sides) there is a tremendous amount that needs to be setup and if its not right - - - well let's just say things are interesting.
I have found over the years that man pages and tech docs for Linux, GNU and the like are written for those that really do know what they are doing and merely need a reminder to remember how to EXACTLY write something or set that something up so that a desired result happens. Now to the rest of us who use these tools and have not spent years memorizing C, C++, C#, Python, perl, sql are don't consider these our mother tongue the docs are most often less than useful and too many times less than comprehensible (one of the biggest lacks is examples of good and bad usage of commands). I have learnt my way around certain things and have almost gotten comfortable doing things 'under the hood' but being faced with all of the first paragraph (adding in remote server VirtualBox vms at the very least) is a wee bit daunting. Have found official docs but these assume a lot and as soon as there is something that doesn't work exactly as expected - - - well - - - I'm supposed to know how to modify things (by osmosis I think!).
Well, I need to agree that in many cases.. that´s the case, but not always. There´s this[1] site where I can always find very good articles about how to do stuff like those you´re looking for: As you can see, their base is CentOS, but you´ll find a link with the label "Other OS", where you will be able to choose another distro. [1] - http://www.server-world.info/en/ Best regards,
Hi Dee, although you requested information on how to guides, allow me to recommend two O'reilly reference books which might help in the future. The first is Practical UNIX and Internet Security, this book has a comprehensive section on NFS. The other is UNIX Power Tools. You should be able to find both on the internet in PDF format. I have dog eared paper copies but I recall being able to find copies for others on the net. Personally, I find a little peripheral reading from a historical context to be quite helpful in troubleshooting setups. Hope this helps. Russell On Aug 24, 2015 8:45 PM, "o1bigtenor" <o1bigtenor@gmail.com> wrote:
Greetings
I am in need of learning how to setup Apache2, Postgresql, NFS at the
same time as I am setting up my NAS box running OpenMediaVault.
OMV looks very impressive but with these plugins (and on the sides) there
is a tremendous amount that needs to be setup and if its not right - - - well let's just say things are interesting.
I have found over the years that man pages and tech docs for Linux, GNU
and the like are written for those that really do know what they are doing and merely need a reminder to remember how to EXACTLY write something or set that something up so that a desired result happens. Now to the rest of us who use these tools and have not spent years memorizing C, C++, C#, Python, perl, sql are don't consider these our mother tongue the docs are most often less than useful and too many times less than comprehensible (one of the biggest lacks is examples of good and bad usage of commands). I have learnt my way around certain things and have almost gotten comfortable doing things 'under the hood' but being faced with all of the first paragraph (adding in remote server VirtualBox vms at the very least) is a wee bit daunting. Have found official docs but these assume a lot and as soon as there is something that doesn't work exactly as expected - - - well - - - I'm supposed to know how to modify things (by osmosis I think!).
Does anyone out there have suggestion(s) on how to guides for setup,
modification and learning at least the first 3 listed?
I would be very grateful to find (have already spent many hours looking
for how to do things using duckduck) some straightforward guides. When I try to look for something specific like Apache2.2 - - - well all too often its for 2.0 or 2.4 or its 8 years old and nothing in Debian 8 is even similar (different file names for example).
I have been trying to keep a log enumerating what I am doing so that
hopefully my experiences will be useful for some for at least a short while.
TIA
Dee
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On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Russell Reiter <rreiter91@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Dee, although you requested information on how to guides, allow me to recommend two O'reilly reference books which might help in the future. The first is Practical UNIX and Internet Security, this book has a comprehensive section on NFS. The other is UNIX Power Tools. You should be able to find both on the internet in PDF format. I have dog eared paper copies but I recall being able to find copies for others on the net. Personally, I find a little peripheral reading from a historical context to be quite helpful in troubleshooting setups. Hope this helps.
I used to buy books to learn things about Linux but haven't in quite a while. Things change rapidly and books take forever to produce. An example - - Debian 8 uses some different terms for setting up Apache2.4 than does Debian 7. Apache 2.2 requires different folder names (sometimes) than does 2.4. I have also gotten myself in serious trouble doing things that were legitimate somewhat previously and were no longer. You're suggesting that these 2 hold value even long after they hit the scene. Will look for them and get them handy! Thanks for helping! Dee
On 8/25/15, o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Russell Reiter <rreiter91@gmail.com> wrote: <snip previous>
You're suggesting that these 2 hold value even long after they hit the scene. Will look for them and get them handy!
The value of Unix/Linux computing is that the concepts rarely radically change. They way tools are implemented goes through cycles of evolution, just as the kernel does, but an understanding of the core concepts and history is always helpful in a troubleshooting environment. These books are chock full of the lingua franca of historical Unix. I use these books for the reason that, I'm a perennial newbie. I support users who more often than not lead me to the bleeding edge because they want all the bells and whistles of MS Windows, as well as the conceptual trust of a Unix file system. I'm not sure that meld is possible, but I support the efforts of people who enjoy learning about computing and not just how to use a computer. That's why I chose to use Linux instead of MS a couple of decades ago and still hammer away at it today.
Thanks for helping!
No problem. I'm just passing on advice I got fifteen years ago from my old friend Jan Carlson and others when I joined this list. While I envy all the availability of howto's on the internet these days, I wouldn't trade the struggling through understanding man pages and familiarizing myself with unix syntax for love nor money. Russell
Dee
On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Russell Reiter <rreiter91@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/25/15, o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Russell Reiter <rreiter91@gmail.com> wrote: <snip previous>
You're suggesting that these 2 hold value even long after they hit the scene. Will look for them and get them handy!
The value of Unix/Linux computing is that the concepts rarely radically change. They way tools are implemented goes through cycles of evolution, just as the kernel does, but an understanding of the core concepts and history is always helpful in a troubleshooting environment. These books are chock full of the lingua franca of historical Unix.
I use these books for the reason that, I'm a perennial newbie. I support users who more often than not lead me to the bleeding edge because they want all the bells and whistles of MS Windows, as well as the conceptual trust of a Unix file system.
I'm not sure that meld is possible, but I support the efforts of people who enjoy learning about computing and not just how to use a computer. That's why I chose to use Linux instead of MS a couple of decades ago and still hammer away at it today.
I, too, feel like a perennial newbie! There always seems to be something to learn! Got into linux after I got a virus on my win 98se system and thought - - - there HAS to be a different way of doing this (accepting insecurity with other making their retirements off of my computer usage).
Thanks for helping!
No problem. I'm just passing on advice I got fifteen years ago from my old friend Jan Carlson and others when I joined this list. While I envy all the availability of howto's on the internet these days, I wouldn't trade the struggling through understanding man pages and familiarizing myself with unix syntax for love nor money.
If only man pages had examples on their code strings - - - they might even be intelligible at that point! Dee
On 15-08-24 08:44 PM, o1bigtenor wrote:
I am in need of learning how to setup Apache2, Postgresql, NFS at the same time as I am setting up my NAS box running OpenMediaVault.
You might want to take a look at some of the resources on the Unix Guru Universe (http://www.ugu.com/) website. They have a section for beginners and a list of books. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful!" #include <disclaimer/favourite> | --Chris Hardwick
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