Live and die by the command line WAS Re: git questions
On 6 March 2015 at 13:24, Loui Chang <louipc.ist@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri 06 Mar 2015 10:52 -0500, Giles Orr wrote:
I live and die by the command line, and I'm fairly sure all of this can be achieved without installing extra tools ... [SNIP]
What do you use for mail on the command line?
Ah, you're making a perfectly reasonable assumption that I can't live up to. I don't browse the web from the CLI and I don't do mail from the CLI. I'm trying to think of other exceptions - I'm sure there are one or two - but I guess those are the major ones. I used mutt for a year or so (a decade ago), but configuring it always required a huge amount of reading, editing text files, cursing, and rinse and repeat. While vim is arguably the same, I found the rewards greater - so I continue to use vim but these days I use Gmail's web interface rather than mutt. -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr@gmail.com
On Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 02:00:07PM -0500, Giles Orr wrote:
Ah, you're making a perfectly reasonable assumption that I can't live up to. I don't browse the web from the CLI and I don't do mail from the CLI. I'm trying to think of other exceptions - I'm sure there are one or two - but I guess those are the major ones.
I used mutt for a year or so (a decade ago), but configuring it always required a huge amount of reading, editing text files, cursing, and rinse and repeat. While vim is arguably the same, I found the rewards greater - so I continue to use vim but these days I use Gmail's web interface rather than mutt.
I do use mutt for my mail, and I do use elinks sometimes as well to access things on the web. Especially if I am downloading files. -- Len Sorensen
| From: Giles Orr <gilesorr@gmail.com> | I used mutt for a year or so (a decade ago), but configuring it always | required a huge amount of reading, editing text files, cursing, and | rinse and repeat. While vim is arguably the same, I found the rewards | greater - so I continue to use vim but these days I use Gmail's web | interface rather than mutt. alpine is a reasonable and reasonably simple "command line" mail user agent. Much simpler than mutt and much less powerful. I've been using it for about 20 years. There might well have been a better choice that appeared during that time. I run my own mail server at home (for more than 30 years) partly to avoid giving control of my mail to third parties like Google. I admit that this is somewhat quixotic.
On 6 March 2015 at 16:02, D. Hugh Redelmeier <hugh@mimosa.com> wrote:
| From: Giles Orr <gilesorr@gmail.com>
| I used mutt for a year or so (a decade ago), but configuring it always | required a huge amount of reading, editing text files, cursing, and | rinse and repeat. While vim is arguably the same, I found the rewards | greater - so I continue to use vim but these days I use Gmail's web | interface rather than mutt.
alpine is a reasonable and reasonably simple "command line" mail user agent. Much simpler than mutt and much less powerful.
I've been using it for about 20 years. There might well have been a better choice that appeared during that time.
I run my own mail server at home (for more than 30 years) partly to avoid giving control of my mail to third parties like Google. I admit that this is somewhat quixotic.
20 years ago I was triple-booting between Windows 95, OS/2, and Linux. Not only was there a build of Pine (the predecessor of Alpine) for each, but I got it to work with the same set of data files across all three OSes. I quite liked Pine, and used it for a number of years after that. I wonder if Alpine can be used with Gmail ... There seem to be quite a few answers to that on DuckDuckGo, I may need to do further investigation! -- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr@gmail.com
On Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 04:02:27PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
alpine is a reasonable and reasonably simple "command line" mail user agent. Much simpler than mutt and much less powerful.
One reason for moving from Pine to Mutt was threading of emails. Does Alpine thread emails, now? -- William
On Fri, 6 Mar 2015, William Park wrote:
On Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 04:02:27PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
alpine is a reasonable and reasonably simple "command line" mail user agent. Much simpler than mutt and much less powerful.
One reason for moving from Pine to Mutt was threading of emails. Does Alpine thread emails, now?
It always has. (At least since I started using it in 1995.) -- Chris F.A. Johnson, <http://cfajohnson.com>
On Fri 06 Mar 2015 14:00 -0500, Giles Orr wrote:
On 6 March 2015 at 13:24, Loui Chang <louipc.ist@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri 06 Mar 2015 10:52 -0500, Giles Orr wrote:
I live and die by the command line, and I'm fairly sure all of this can be achieved without installing extra tools ... [SNIP]
What do you use for mail on the command line?
Ah, you're making a perfectly reasonable assumption that I can't live up to. I don't browse the web from the CLI and I don't do mail from the CLI. I'm trying to think of other exceptions - I'm sure there are one or two - but I guess those are the major ones.
Hah. Just testing you.
I used mutt for a year or so (a decade ago), but configuring it always required a huge amount of reading, editing text files, cursing, and rinse and repeat. While vim is arguably the same, I found the rewards greater - so I continue to use vim but these days I use Gmail's web interface rather than mutt.
I actually did the opposite. I went from web to cli. Other than a few quirks I'm pretty satisfied. A good addressbook is the only thing I haven't found, but haven't really sought out either. I use mutt with esmtp, and getmail.
On 6 March 2015 at 14:00, Giles Orr <gilesorr@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6 March 2015 at 13:24, Loui Chang <louipc.ist@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri 06 Mar 2015 10:52 -0500, Giles Orr wrote:
I live and die by the command line, and I'm fairly sure all of this can be achieved without installing extra tools ... [SNIP]
What do you use for mail on the command line?
Ah, you're making a perfectly reasonable assumption that I can't live up to. I don't browse the web from the CLI and I don't do mail from the CLI. I'm trying to think of other exceptions - I'm sure there are one or two - but I guess those are the major ones.
I used mutt for a year or so (a decade ago), but configuring it always required a huge amount of reading, editing text files, cursing, and rinse and repeat. While vim is arguably the same, I found the rewards greater - so I continue to use vim but these days I use Gmail's web interface rather than mutt.
I used nmh <http://www.nongnu.org/nmh/> for a decently long time; got tugged into Gmail's orbit, but I still have a fair bit of toolset for working with MH, and found it usually a rewarding way of accessing email. Google recently added archiving of mail as part of their "Takeout" service (which is a Big Deal to me; it means that I can consider it My Data that I can take away whenever I want to do so), and I downloaded my mail as a giant Mbox file for the first time yesterday. I'm going to want to split it into smaller pieces and archive it, ideally in a fashion that integrates somewhat with my legacy MH mail. It's no good to have it as one gigantic piece. I'm musing things to do with it. Ideas include: a) Split into a message per file, just as with MH, and run a big batch job each time that stows them in some stable fashion (e.g. - so that when I pull the same messages NEXT month, they don't just get duplicated) b) Split into messages, and use a DBMS-based mail storage system. Musing on <http://archiveopteryx.org/> A desirable result is to have the resulting mail stored in a fashion that lends itself to running "git commit" against the email repository. a) might lead to too many files, but seems otherwise largely desirable. b) mightn't be all that nice to "git commit", but is interesting in its own ways. I tried out uzbl for cli-controlled web browsing; I wound up struggling against it way too much. -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?"
On Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 02:00:07PM -0500, Giles Orr wrote
I used mutt for a year or so (a decade ago), but configuring it always required a huge amount of reading, editing text files, cursing, and rinse and repeat.
I don't understand that. Mutt's config is basically "set it an forget it". I have to add/delete entries whenever I subscribe/unsubscribe to mailing lists, but that's it. Years ago, I used to read email on a true text console. Then the linux devs screwed that possibility with video drivers that take over the text console too. On a 1920x1080 monitor, even Sun 12x22 fonts are on the small side. I still use mutt in an xterm, along with mc. I've even cobbled together a cute script that allows me to launch HDHomerun TV from the commandline. -- Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>
On Fri 06 Mar 2015 23:00 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote:
I have to add/delete entries whenever I subscribe/unsubscribe to mailing lists, but that's it.
I don't change anything in mutt for mailing lists. What setting are you changing for mailing lists? aliases? Any recommendations for a textmode addressbook?
On Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 08:23:38PM -0500, Loui Chang wrote
On Fri 06 Mar 2015 23:00 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote:
I have to add/delete entries whenever I subscribe/unsubscribe to mailing lists, but that's it.
I don't change anything in mutt for mailing lists. What setting are you changing for mailing lists? aliases? Any recommendations for a textmode addressbook?
I add new aliases to ~/.mutt/.aliases as necessary. I also have my mail sorted into separate mailboxes by procmail. Some of my boxes are... mailboxes =dillo =eudev =gentoo =icewm =inbox =spam =teksavvy =tlug I pull email from 4 different sources with getmail, and have procmail figure out which ~/Maildir subdirectory to drop it into. It's a many-to-many relationship. I don't have a seprate "addressbook manager". I simply use the ~/.mutt/.aliases file. -- Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>
On Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 08:23:38PM -0500, Loui Chang wrote:
On Fri 06 Mar 2015 23:00 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote:
I have to add/delete entries whenever I subscribe/unsubscribe to mailing lists, but that's it.
I don't change anything in mutt for mailing lists. What setting are you changing for mailing lists? aliases?
For this list, I have subscribe talk alias gtalug talk@gtalug.org -- William
I just use (1)mail On Mar 6, 2015 2:01 PM, "Giles Orr" <gilesorr@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6 March 2015 at 13:24, Loui Chang <louipc.ist@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri 06 Mar 2015 10:52 -0500, Giles Orr wrote:
I live and die by the command line, and I'm fairly sure all of this can be achieved without installing extra tools ... [SNIP]
What do you use for mail on the command line?
Ah, you're making a perfectly reasonable assumption that I can't live up to. I don't browse the web from the CLI and I don't do mail from the CLI. I'm trying to think of other exceptions - I'm sure there are one or two - but I guess those are the major ones.
I used mutt for a year or so (a decade ago), but configuring it always required a huge amount of reading, editing text files, cursing, and rinse and repeat. While vim is arguably the same, I found the rewards greater - so I continue to use vim but these days I use Gmail's web interface rather than mutt.
-- Giles http://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr@gmail.com --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org http://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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Chris F.A. Johnson -
Christopher Browne -
D. Hugh Redelmeier -
David Thornton -
Giles Orr -
Lennart Sorensen -
Loui Chang -
Walter Dnes -
William Park