Re: [GTALUG] Spam is basically dead
On 2017-08-16 08:10 AM, ac via talk wrote:
Six Golden Rules: ** Spam is basically dead... **
… if you run your own mailserver. This list's members are not representative of the general population. As a list mod, I can very much assure you that spam is in robust health indeed. Stewart
On 16 August 2017 at 09:09, Stewart C. Russell via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On 2017-08-16 08:10 AM, ac via talk wrote:
Six Golden Rules: ** Spam is basically dead... **
… if you run your own mailserver. This list's members are not representative of the general population.
Agreed. But I'd take it from a slightly different perspective that splits the issue. IMO the volume of spam has not abated, but its effectiveness has. I use gMail for a significant amount of my incoming mail, and it implements a pretty aggressive spam filter. There are almost no false positives getting through these days, but I do have to go into the spam mailbox every few weeks to check for false negatives (maybe a few percent of the total, non-critical stuff from a few read-only mailing lists) But the volume? Still as robust as ever. The old style sales calls, solicitations for money and phishing schemes. The filters successfully and consistently differentiate between real Interac eTransfer receipts and fake ones. Yeah, I know the evils of Gmail. But every choice is a balance. In this realm it does surprisingly well, and I'm less bothered by spam than ever. But I wouldn't go as far as saying the phenomenon itself is dead, it's still seeking out the newcomers and unaware. - Evan
On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 11:16:27AM -0400, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote:
Agreed. But I'd take it from a slightly different perspective that splits the issue.
IMO the volume of spam has not abated, but its effectiveness has.
I use gMail for a significant amount of my incoming mail, and it implements a pretty aggressive spam filter. There are almost no false positives getting through these days, but I do have to go into the spam mailbox every few weeks to check for false negatives (maybe a few percent of the total, non-critical stuff from a few read-only mailing lists) But the volume? Still as robust as ever. The old style sales calls, solicitations for money and phishing schemes. The filters successfully and consistently differentiate between real Interac eTransfer receipts and fake ones.
Yeah, I know the evils of Gmail. But every choice is a balance. In this realm it does surprisingly well, and I'm less bothered by spam than ever. But I wouldn't go as far as saying the phenomenon itself is dead, it's still seeking out the newcomers and unaware.
Strangely I see almost no spam these days. I just checked my spam folder for this account, and the filter found 25 messages in the last week. Not very much really. It used to be much more. I don't think I see more than 1 message a day that the spam filter missed either. On gmail I think it is similar. Very few spam show up these days. -- Len Sorensen
On 16/08/17 03:45 PM, Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote:
On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 11:16:27AM -0400, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote:
Agreed. But I'd take it from a slightly different perspective that splits the issue.
IMO the volume of spam has not abated, but its effectiveness has.
I use gMail for a significant amount of my incoming mail, and it implements a pretty aggressive spam filter. There are almost no false positives getting through these days, but I do have to go into the spam mailbox every few weeks to check for false negatives (maybe a few percent of the total, non-critical stuff from a few read-only mailing lists) But the volume? Still as robust as ever. The old style sales calls, solicitations for money and phishing schemes. The filters successfully and consistently differentiate between real Interac eTransfer receipts and fake ones.
Yeah, I know the evils of Gmail. But every choice is a balance. In this realm it does surprisingly well, and I'm less bothered by spam than ever. But I wouldn't go as far as saying the phenomenon itself is dead, it's still seeking out the newcomers and unaware. Strangely I see almost no spam these days. I just checked my spam folder for this account, and the filter found 25 messages in the last week. Not very much really. It used to be much more. I don't think I see more than 1 message a day that the spam filter missed either. On gmail I think it is similar. Very few spam show up these days.
I use spamcop.net, and I get a burst of stuff every three to six months, but my filtered-out list on the site is huge! Fortunately it's not false negatives (;-)) --dave -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest davecb@spamcop.net | -- Mark Twain
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 11:16:27 -0400 Evan Leibovitch via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On 16 August 2017 at 09:09, Stewart C. Russell via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On 2017-08-16 08:10 AM, ac via talk wrote:
Six Golden Rules: ** Spam is basically dead... ** … if you run your own mailserver. This list's members are not representative of the general population.
Agreed. But I'd take it from a slightly different perspective that splits the issue.
IMO the volume of spam has not abated, but its effectiveness has.
I use gMail for a significant amount of my incoming mail, and it implements a pretty aggressive spam filter. There are almost no false positives getting through these days, but I do have to go into the spam mailbox every few weeks to check for false negatives (maybe a
<snip> Agree 100% - but my point is that you do not have to use Gmail.com any longer to not get spam (in fact, gmail.com is listed on sorbs and many rbls as they are not always responsive to the spam Google itself - sends! Anyone can now "not get spam" -- if you follow the six rules I posted, you could setup a "marking" score, lets say 6/10 and then you can also (easily) have a "spambox" where your "false positives" go... So, anyone can have better quality email than Gmail/Google I too have a gmail account, it does get spam. My own personal email account does not get any spam, as in nothing... in my personal email account spambox, I do find the occasional ham, and then I simply help/advise my friend/sender to just get better quality hosting -- my friend/sender usually does as I also show them how pathetic and crappy their present hosting company is...( - voting with your wallet is the ultimate spam stopper...) Anyway, point is: Anyone can choose to have top quality email service - just follow the six golden rules :) Andre
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