
Hi everyone, I'm trying to get outgoing SMTP email to work with Rogers, and would appreciate any help. I am not looking for a full solution; all I need is for outgoing email to work from the command line in my user account. I don't need a system-wide solution, or a solution that works with GUI email readers. See below for a sample use-case. I used to have a solution that had lines like this in my $HOME/.mailrc: BEGINS set smtp=smtp.nl.rogers.com:587 set smtp-auth-user=MY-ROGERS-EMAIL-ADDRESS set smtp-auth-password=ROGERS-DEVICE-SPECIFIC-PASSWORD set replyto="Ariel Burton <MY-OTHER-EMAIL-ADDRESS>" set smtp-use-starttls set ssl-verify=ignore ENDS Something like this worked for many years, but stopped working a while ago. Earlier versions differed slightly, e.g., using "from" or "sender" in place of "replyto", or different port numbers. This is a transcript of how it fails: BEGINS /home/me> mail MY-OTHER-EMAIL-ADDRESS Subject: test test . EOT % smtp-server: 550 Request failed; Mailbox unavailable "/home/me/dead.letter" 12/365 . . . message not sent. ENDS Can anyone see what am I doing wrong, and how to fix it? Thanks, Ariel ==

On Wed, 1 Dec 2021 at 20:25, Ariel Burton via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Hi everyone,
I'm trying to get outgoing SMTP email to work with Rogers, and would appreciate any help.
/home/me> mail MY-OTHER-EMAIL-ADDRESS Subject: test test . EOT % smtp-server: 550 Request failed; Mailbox unavailable "/home/me/dead.letter" 12/365 . . . message not sent.
As a starting point, I would suggest using the "-v" switch to enable verbose mode. Then you will see the details of the actual message delivery and protocol conversations which may provide you some hints about what's going on.

On 2021-12-01 8:24 p.m., Ariel Burton via talk wrote:
I'm trying to get outgoing SMTP email to work with Rogers, and would appreciate any help. [snip] BEGINS
set smtp=smtp.nl.rogers.com:587 set smtp-auth-user=MY-ROGERS-EMAIL-ADDRESS set smtp-auth-password=ROGERS-DEVICE-SPECIFIC-PASSWORD [snip] Something like this worked for many years, but stopped working a while ago. [snip] /home/me> mail MY-OTHER-EMAIL-ADDRESS Subject: test test . EOT % smtp-server: 550 Request failed; Mailbox unavailable "/home/me/dead.letter" 12/365 . . . message not sent.
That error makes me think the mail is going to the wrong server. Are you sure about the SMTP serverdetails? That doesn't look right to me. When I used to send email out via the Rogers servers it was going to smtp.broadband.rogers.com on port 465. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ | "Nerds make the shiny things that https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and | that's why we're powerful" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | #include <disclaimer/favourite> | --Chris Hardwick

I think Rogers is using Yahoo or Hotmail (Microsoft) behind the scene. My sendmail/fetchmail/procmail used to work for Yahoo, until about a year ago. I gave up. I'm now using Thunderbird. You can tell by the way paragraph is mangled in my post. :-( --William On 12/1/21 8:24 PM, Ariel Burton via talk wrote:
Hi everyone,
I'm trying to get outgoing SMTP email to work with Rogers, and would appreciate any help.
I am not looking for a full solution; all I need is for outgoing email to work from the command line in my user account. I don't need a system-wide solution, or a solution that works with GUI email readers. See below for a sample use-case.
I used to have a solution that had lines like this in my $HOME/.mailrc:
BEGINS
set smtp=smtp.nl.rogers.com:587 set smtp-auth-user=MY-ROGERS-EMAIL-ADDRESS set smtp-auth-password=ROGERS-DEVICE-SPECIFIC-PASSWORD
set replyto="Ariel Burton <MY-OTHER-EMAIL-ADDRESS>"
set smtp-use-starttls set ssl-verify=ignore
ENDS
Something like this worked for many years, but stopped working a while ago. Earlier versions differed slightly, e.g., using "from" or "sender" in place of "replyto", or different port numbers.
This is a transcript of how it fails:
BEGINS
/home/me> mail MY-OTHER-EMAIL-ADDRESS Subject: test test . EOT % smtp-server: 550 Request failed; Mailbox unavailable "/home/me/dead.letter" 12/365 . . . message not sent.
ENDS
Can anyone see what am I doing wrong, and how to fix it?
Thanks,
Ariel == --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk

I lost contact with Dodgers' SMTP from my Thunderbird some time back, what do your working settings look like? Mine are attached below --dave On 12/2/21 00:04, William Park via talk wrote:
I think Rogers is using Yahoo or Hotmail (Microsoft) behind the scene. My sendmail/fetchmail/procmail used to work for Yahoo, until about a year ago. I gave up.
I'm now using Thunderbird. You can tell by the way paragraph is mangled in my post. :-(
--William
On 12/1/21 8:24 PM, Ariel Burton via talk wrote:
Hi everyone,
I'm trying to get outgoing SMTP email to work with Rogers, and would appreciate any help.
I am not looking for a full solution; all I need is for outgoing email to work from the command line in my user account. I don't need a system-wide solution, or a solution that works with GUI email readers. See below for a sample use-case.
I used to have a solution that had lines like this in my $HOME/.mailrc:
BEGINS
set smtp=smtp.nl.rogers.com:587 set smtp-auth-user=MY-ROGERS-EMAIL-ADDRESS set smtp-auth-password=ROGERS-DEVICE-SPECIFIC-PASSWORD
set replyto="Ariel Burton <MY-OTHER-EMAIL-ADDRESS>"
set smtp-use-starttls set ssl-verify=ignore
ENDS
Something like this worked for many years, but stopped working a while ago. Earlier versions differed slightly, e.g., using "from" or "sender" in place of "replyto", or different port numbers.
This is a transcript of how it fails:
BEGINS
/home/me> mail MY-OTHER-EMAIL-ADDRESS Subject: test test . EOT % smtp-server: 550 Request failed; Mailbox unavailable "/home/me/dead.letter" 12/365 . . . message not sent.
ENDS
Can anyone see what am I doing wrong, and how to fix it?
Thanks,
Ariel == --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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Your screenshot looks OK. Rogers is using Yahoo. Yahoo changed the way you authenticate to POP3/SMTP servers. They won't accept your web login password anymore. You have to log into their website, generate "app" password, and copy that into Thunderbird. That's what I remember. But, looking around Thunderbird now, I can't find where you'd enter that password. I guess, when you create the server account. --William On 12/2/21 12:03 PM, Dave Collier-Brown via talk wrote:
I lost contact with Dodgers' SMTP from my Thunderbird some time back, what do your working settings look like? Mine are attached below
--dave
On 12/2/21 00:04, William Park via talk wrote:
I think Rogers is using Yahoo or Hotmail (Microsoft) behind the scene. My sendmail/fetchmail/procmail used to work for Yahoo, until about a year ago. I gave up.
I'm now using Thunderbird. You can tell by the way paragraph is mangled in my post. :-(
--William
On 12/1/21 8:24 PM, Ariel Burton via talk wrote:
Hi everyone,
I'm trying to get outgoing SMTP email to work with Rogers, and would appreciate any help.
I am not looking for a full solution; all I need is for outgoing email to work from the command line in my user account. I don't need a system-wide solution, or a solution that works with GUI email readers. See below for a sample use-case.
I used to have a solution that had lines like this in my $HOME/.mailrc:
BEGINS
set smtp=smtp.nl.rogers.com:587 set smtp-auth-user=MY-ROGERS-EMAIL-ADDRESS set smtp-auth-password=ROGERS-DEVICE-SPECIFIC-PASSWORD
set replyto="Ariel Burton <MY-OTHER-EMAIL-ADDRESS>"
set smtp-use-starttls set ssl-verify=ignore
ENDS
Something like this worked for many years, but stopped working a while ago. Earlier versions differed slightly, e.g., using "from" or "sender" in place of "replyto", or different port numbers.
This is a transcript of how it fails:
BEGINS
/home/me> mail MY-OTHER-EMAIL-ADDRESS Subject: test test . EOT % smtp-server: 550 Request failed; Mailbox unavailable "/home/me/dead.letter" 12/365 . . . message not sent.
ENDS
Can anyone see what am I doing wrong, and how to fix it?
Thanks,
Ariel == --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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Ironically, Duck Dodgers just sent me and email saying to switch back to my regular password, abd smtp and imap now both work! --dave On 12/2/21 12:03 PM, Dave Collier-Brown wrote:
I lost contact with Dodgers' SMTP from my Thunderbird some time back, what do your working settings look like? Mine are attached below
--dave
On 12/2/21 00:04, William Park via talk wrote:
I think Rogers is using Yahoo or Hotmail (Microsoft) behind the scene. My sendmail/fetchmail/procmail used to work for Yahoo, until about a year ago. I gave up.
I'm now using Thunderbird. You can tell by the way paragraph is mangled in my post. :-(
--William
On 12/1/21 8:24 PM, Ariel Burton via talk wrote:
Hi everyone,
I'm trying to get outgoing SMTP email to work with Rogers, and would appreciate any help.
I am not looking for a full solution; all I need is for outgoing email to work from the command line in my user account. I don't need a system-wide solution, or a solution that works with GUI email readers. See below for a sample use-case.
I used to have a solution that had lines like this in my $HOME/.mailrc:
BEGINS
set smtp=smtp.nl.rogers.com:587 set smtp-auth-user=MY-ROGERS-EMAIL-ADDRESS set smtp-auth-password=ROGERS-DEVICE-SPECIFIC-PASSWORD
set replyto="Ariel Burton <MY-OTHER-EMAIL-ADDRESS>"
set smtp-use-starttls set ssl-verify=ignore
ENDS
Something like this worked for many years, but stopped working a while ago. Earlier versions differed slightly, e.g., using "from" or "sender" in place of "replyto", or different port numbers.
This is a transcript of how it fails:
BEGINS
/home/me> mail MY-OTHER-EMAIL-ADDRESS Subject: test test . EOT % smtp-server: 550 Request failed; Mailbox unavailable "/home/me/dead.letter" 12/365 . . . message not sent.
ENDS
Can anyone see what am I doing wrong, and how to fix it?
Thanks,
Ariel == --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgtalug.org...
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participants (6)
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Ariel Burton
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Dave Collier-Brown
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Dave Collier-Brown
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Kevin Cozens
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Val Kulkov
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William Park