Re: [GTALUG] intel graphics announcement
Greetings Found an announcement from INtel that they are getting back, I think, into graphics cards - - - in a big way. Did some searching - - - - all I can find is 'purdy pitchers' and swag for sale. Is this some more fud or is intel serious? Anyone out there know - - - if so I'm guessing it will be 24 months before anything useful shows up - - -yes? Please advise
| From: o1bigtenor via talk <talk@gtalug.org> | Found an announcement from INtel that they are getting back, I think, into | graphics cards - - - in a big way. | | Did some searching - - - - all I can find is 'purdy pitchers' and swag for | sale. | | Is this some more fud or is intel serious? | | Anyone out there know - - - if so I'm guessing it will be 24 months before | anything useful shows up - - -yes? (from my increasingly fallible memory) Intel's Xe(tm) GPU architecture is already shipping on (some?) 11th gen processors, as iGPUs. I think that discrete GPUs for mobile are shipping too. The first card is supposed to show up in 2022q1. They also announced ARC(tm) and Alchemist branding. <https://www.anandtech.com/show/16886/intel-video-cards-get-a-brand-name-arc-coming-q1-2022> There is a variant for high-performance computing. Or maybe two (Xe-HP and Xe-HPC). My understanding is that there will be good and open support in Linux. Intel has been good about this, but perhaps only because it has been behind AMD and Nvidia in performance. (They probably ship more iGPUs than all other dGPUs and iGPUs combined.) --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 03:49:08PM -0500, o1bigtenor via talk wrote:
Found an announcement from INtel that they are getting back, I think, into graphics cards - - - in a big way.
Did some searching - - - - all I can find is 'purdy pitchers' and swag for sale.
Is this some more fud or is intel serious?
Anyone out there know - - - if so I'm guessing it will be 24 months before anything useful shows up - - -yes?
Please advise
Hasn't intel been supposed to get back into graphics cards many times now? I won't hold my breath. :) -- Len Sorensen
On 2021-08-17 09:37, Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote:
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 03:49:08PM -0500, o1bigtenor via talk wrote:
Found an announcement from INtel that they are getting back, I think, into graphics cards - - - in a big way.
Did some searching - - - - all I can find is 'purdy pitchers' and swag for sale.
Is this some more fud or is intel serious?
Anyone out there know - - - if so I'm guessing it will be 24 months before anything useful shows up - - -yes?
Please advise
Hasn't intel been supposed to get back into graphics cards many times now?
I won't hold my breath. :)
The physical hardware is already out there. The DG1 is a spun out version of the Xe graphics in the 11th Gen CPU/iGPUs, and is already shipping in OEM systems. A low end card that meets the bottom tier of dGPU from Nvidia, but as a test of the waters, it's showing good promise for scaled up cards. Gamers Nexus We Got an Intel GPU: Intel Iris Xe DG1 Video Card Review, Benchmarks, & Architecture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSseaknEv9Q Intel GPU A Real Threat: Adobe Premiere, Handbrake, & Production Benchmarks on DG1 Iris Xe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW4U6n-r3_0 The High Preformance cards are still to hit the market. And while it's going to be a while for Game developers to smooth over the rough edges in software support, we're already seeing real products leveraging the new graphics for gaming on hand held PC platforms. LowSpecGamer Heavy Gaming on the GPD Win 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNfbfPhOiE0 Intel is dead serious on entering the market for dedicated high performance graphics cards. -- Scott Sullivan
On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 06:20:45PM -0400, Scott Sullivan via talk wrote:
The physical hardware is already out there. The DG1 is a spun out version of the Xe graphics in the 11th Gen CPU/iGPUs, and is already shipping in OEM systems. A low end card that meets the bottom tier of dGPU from Nvidia, but as a test of the waters, it's showing good promise for scaled up cards.
Gamers Nexus We Got an Intel GPU: Intel Iris Xe DG1 Video Card Review, Benchmarks, & Architecture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSseaknEv9Q
Intel GPU A Real Threat: Adobe Premiere, Handbrake, & Production Benchmarks on DG1 Iris Xe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW4U6n-r3_0
The High Preformance cards are still to hit the market. And while it's going to be a while for Game developers to smooth over the rough edges in software support, we're already seeing real products leveraging the new graphics for gaming on hand held PC platforms.
It should not be up to game developers to fix issues, the driver developers should make the drivers work properly.
LowSpecGamer Heavy Gaming on the GPD Win 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNfbfPhOiE0
Intel is dead serious on entering the market for dedicated high performance graphics cards.
Well they claimed they were serious in 1998 with the i740 as well. :) We will see if they stick around this time or toss in the towel after one or two chips again. -- Len Sorensen
On August 25, 2021 11:23:16 a.m. EDT, Lennart Sorensen <lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 06:20:45PM -0400, Scott Sullivan via talk wrote:
The High Preformance cards are still to hit the market. And while it's going to be a while for Game developers to smooth over the rough edges in software support, we're already seeing real products leveraging the new graphics for gaming on hand held PC platforms.
It should not be up to game developers to fix issues, the driver developers should make the drivers work properly.
Not implying that they will hands on code for the drivers. But as the biggest consumers of the APIs, they drive the cycle of support and improvement. -- Scott Sullivan
| From: Lennart Sorensen via talk <talk@gtalug.org> | On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 06:20:45PM -0400, Scott Sullivan via talk wrote: | > The High Preformance cards are still to hit the market. And while it's going | > to be a while for Game developers to smooth over the rough edges in software | > support, we're already seeing real products leveraging the new graphics for | > gaming on hand held PC platforms. | | It should not be up to game developers to fix issues, the driver | developers should make the drivers work properly. I'm not in the gaming world. Not as a producer and not as a consumer. So what I say is unreliable. Here's why I think that game developers need to help make the Xe platform useful for games. Games tend to need high performance graphics. Games that don't are not relevant to this discussion. Games are coded to the platform. They have often been enticed to use features that are only on one platform. For example, NVIDIA's PhysX SDK. Or NVIDIA's ray tracing hardware. They have often been optimized to run on particular hardware. Or separately optimized for different achitectures. But optimizing for Xe is surely just beginning.
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