an odd question about well on going service factors.
Hi folks, Tapping into your genus once again. At this moment Bell and I continue to fight, land line wise and otherwise. they seem to be preventing Teksavy from helping me either, I get an announced visit when not home, then weeks of someone will call you with a solution. If I am honest, because my analog phone services support my brain health and I expected to be back on track all this is rather emotionally challenging. then there is the television situation, which leads to my question. My landlord is including access to his Fibe TV account, he already provides internet as a part of my rent. That means I need a set top box of some kind, my television is conventional, I do not use the Internet for viewing, its not inclusive for my combination of disability experiences. Here is the question..or two of them. first, is there a universal box of some kind that I can get which will let me access the available Fibe TV services without using one from Bell specifically? if not then... Second, can one just rent a set top box by itself? Thanks all around, Karen
On 2023-05-30 14:30, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
Hi folks, Tapping into your genus once again.
These two might be related. My landlord is including access to his Fibe TV account, he already provides internet as a part of my rent. At this moment Bell and I continue to fight, land line wise and otherwise. they seem to be preventing Teksavy from helping me As I mentioned before, sharing services with a tenant is a violation of the terms of service. Maybe Bell is being nasty about it. Perhaps a way around this is to use one of the voice over IP providers, who will supply a terminal that looks like a plain phone line.
For TV I use an antenna and receive over-the-air signals. Full digital, great HD quality (barring fog) with no compression, and free. I try to use both Bell and Rogers as little as possible. You do need a digital TV. On Tue, 30 May 2023 at 14:40, James Knott via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On 2023-05-30 14:30, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
Hi folks, Tapping into your genus once again.
These two might be related.
My landlord is including access to his Fibe TV account, he already provides internet as a part of my rent.
At this moment Bell and I continue to fight, land line wise and otherwise. they seem to be preventing Teksavy from helping me
As I mentioned before, sharing services with a tenant is a violation of the terms of service. Maybe Bell is being nasty about it.
Perhaps a way around this is to use one of the voice over IP providers, who will supply a terminal that looks like a plain phone line.
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bell is not being nasty about my Landlord's choices. bell is being nasty about my body not matching their definition of disability. Your point about sharing service is an interesting one, If it is illegal, how can so many rental structures provide it as apart of their tenancy? In fact it is a part of my rental agreement, the one provided by the residential tenancies act. Again my question is very specific. Is there such a thing as a universal Set top box? On Tue, 30 May 2023, Don Tai via talk wrote:
For TV I use an antenna and receive over-the-air signals. Full digital, great HD quality (barring fog) with no compression, and free. I try to use both Bell and Rogers as little as possible. You do need a digital TV.
On Tue, 30 May 2023 at 14:40, James Knott via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On 2023-05-30 14:30, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
Hi folks, Tapping into your genus once again.
These two might be related.
My landlord is including access to his Fibe TV account, he already provides internet as a part of my rent.
At this moment Bell and I continue to fight, land line wise and otherwise. they seem to be preventing Teksavy from helping me
As I mentioned before, sharing services with a tenant is a violation of the terms of service. Maybe Bell is being nasty about it.
Perhaps a way around this is to use one of the voice over IP providers, who will supply a terminal that looks like a plain phone line.
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On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 05:27:06PM -0400, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
bell is not being nasty about my Landlord's choices. bell is being nasty about my body not matching their definition of disability. Your point about sharing service is an interesting one, If it is illegal, how can so many rental structures provide it as apart of their tenancy? In fact it is a part of my rental agreement, the one provided by the residential tenancies act.
Just because it is commonly done doesn't mean it isn't against the provider agreement. After all netflix also says in their terms of service that you can't share your passowrd with other people, and yet lots of people did and now that they are finally cracking down on it, people are acting like they changed the rules. The rules were always there, they just weren't being particularly well enforced. Just like Bell isn't doing that much to enforce those rules. They are probably more concerned that you can't have a small building with 10 units and use a single account to provide service to those than they are about a house renting out a small basement apartement to one person and sharing with them.
Again my question is very specific. Is there such a thing as a universal Set top box?
No definitely not. Only a box provided by Bell will work with their service. In the US in theory there could be a universal cable box due to FCC rules about local channels being carried unencrypted on digital cable, although I am not sure it is enforced and that all cable companies obey those rules. In Canada we have no such rules, and cable companies can do whatever they want. -- Len Sorensen
Hi, While this answers my specific question, your comment about sharing services creates a different one. If you have a large house with more than one television, it is often the case that this second television has its own cable box, say to allow other members of your household to watch what they wish. How is indeed sharing the Internet with the basement of your house different? Kare On Tue, 30 May 2023, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 05:27:06PM -0400, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
bell is not being nasty about my Landlord's choices. bell is being nasty about my body not matching their definition of disability. Your point about sharing service is an interesting one, If it is illegal, how can so many rental structures provide it as apart of their tenancy? In fact it is a part of my rental agreement, the one provided by the residential tenancies act.
Just because it is commonly done doesn't mean it isn't against the provider agreement. After all netflix also says in their terms of service that you can't share your passowrd with other people, and yet lots of people did and now that they are finally cracking down on it, people are acting like they changed the rules. The rules were always there, they just weren't being particularly well enforced. Just like Bell isn't doing that much to enforce those rules. They are probably more concerned that you can't have a small building with 10 units and use a single account to provide service to those than they are about a house renting out a small basement apartement to one person and sharing with them.
Again my question is very specific. Is there such a thing as a universal Set top box?
No definitely not. Only a box provided by Bell will work with their service.
In the US in theory there could be a universal cable box due to FCC rules about local channels being carried unencrypted on digital cable, although I am not sure it is enforced and that all cable companies obey those rules. In Canada we have no such rules, and cable companies can do whatever they want.
-- Len Sorensen
On 2023-05-30 17:49, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
While this answers my specific question, your comment about sharing services creates a different one. If you have a large house with more than one television, it is often the case that this second television has its own cable box, say to allow other members of your household to watch what they wish. How is indeed sharing the Internet with the basement of your house different?
2 points. First, it's all one family. Also, with Rogers, you pay for each extra cable box, on top of your monthly bill. I live alone, unless you count my cat. I have 3 boxes and pay extra for 2 of them.
Two points in return. 1. your provider has no idea if those residing at an address are family or not...making that a non -point. 2. Rogers is not bell. On Tue, 30 May 2023, James Knott via talk wrote:
On 2023-05-30 17:49, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
While this answers my specific question, your comment about sharing services creates a different one. If you have a large house with more than one television, it is often the case that this second television has its own cable box, say to allow other members of your household to watch what they wish. How is indeed sharing the Internet with the basement of your house different?
2 points. First, it's all one family. Also, with Rogers, you pay for each extra cable box, on top of your monthly bill. I live alone, unless you count my cat. I have 3 boxes and pay extra for 2 of them. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Ask your landlord to get you a set top box and add the cost to your rent, or adopt you as a family member. On Tue, 30 May 2023 at 20:05, Karen Lewellen via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Two points in return. 1. your provider has no idea if those residing at an address are family or not...making that a non -point. 2. Rogers is not bell.
On Tue, 30 May 2023, James Knott via talk wrote:
While this answers my specific question, your comment about sharing services creates a different one. If you have a large house with more than one television, it is often
On 2023-05-30 17:49, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote: the
case that this second television has its own cable box, say to allow other members of your household to watch what they wish. How is indeed sharing the Internet with the basement of your house different?
2 points. First, it's all one family. Also, with Rogers, you pay for each extra cable box, on top of your monthly bill. I live alone, unless you count my cat. I have 3 boxes and pay extra for 2 of them. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 08:41:07PM -0400, Don Tai via talk wrote:
Ask your landlord to get you a set top box and add the cost to your rent, or adopt you as a family member.
Yes to get another box for the fibe service it would have to be done by the account holder. -- Len Sorensen
| From: Karen Lewellen via talk <talk@gtalug.org> | 1. your provider has no idea if those residing at an address are family or | not...making that a non -point. Read the agreement between your landlord and Bell. We are telling you what it says but we are not 100% reliable. Some provisions are perhaps unenforceable by law. I would not want to enter a legal fight with Bell to find out. Violations of some provisions are technically hard for them to discover. But they are still violations. (Example: when I first got Rogers@home broadband internet service, it said I could only have one computer on it (no other consumer devices had ethernet anyway). I used a Linux box as a gateway router and violated that term. I would have argued that there was only one computer directly connected to their services. This was before consumer routers were available.) | 2. Rogers is not bell. Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dee. As oligopolist, they pretty closely match each other.
On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 05:49:20PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
Hi, While this answers my specific question, your comment about sharing services creates a different one. If you have a large house with more than one television, it is often the case that this second television has its own cable box, say to allow other members of your household to watch what they wish. How is indeed sharing the Internet with the basement of your house different?
They seem to realize that not letting one household share wouldn't get them many customers, while two households in one house they can claim isn't allowed. Is it really different? One could certainly argue that it isn't, but then the same argument could apply to all the units in a 20 story building. Where do you draw the line and they seem to go by household. Of course is someone renting a room really different than someone renting a basement apartment with it's own entryway? -- Len Sorensen
We are all family. The only media income model that is slightly fair, is advertising based revenue where the actual watcher is exposed to the actual product/service offer, which is funding the media and distribution thereof. imo charging per eyeball watching and basing costs on whatever definition of "family" is applied and/or per unit and/or per device is all evil and never fair (and then sometimes still being exposed to marketing in the media itself...) Where there is 'consumption' charges or costs, for infrastructure use or where infrastructure has not been paid twenty times over, some sort of use or measurement of use is fine, I guess - but forever use charges are also evil. Many cable providers, in many high density areas have already received back their capital many times over, this does not stop them from charging on forever based milking income models. Artists: many artists do receive decent income and many receive good recurring for revenue for content created in minutes (specifically some xmas songs, comes to mind) That all said, artists sometimes do not even receive enough money to literally buy a bread (not figuratively) where other parasites in the media train earn millions in "revenue". A .za example would be "Brenda Fassie" - and there are many in .ca as well, I expect. I think that predatory media services will be milking cows and shearing sheep forever, same as many "providers" of forever services. (Where spectrum has been "allocated", given, bought and/or sold, for example. Other examples are where IP numbers were received and are now worth $$+ each. So, was I stupid not to hold onto 000 000's of ipv4 numbers that I was not using at the time? or am I too anal to get money for something that was never 'mine' in my mind? hmm, yeah, I am just stupid, I guess.) Last thought: we all are also "family" of sorts as I do really love some of you and I am sure that if I knew the rest of you, I would probably love you too :) On Tue, 30 May 2023 23:16:39 -0400 Lennart Sorensen via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 05:49:20PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
Hi, While this answers my specific question, your comment about sharing services creates a different one. If you have a large house with more than one television, it is often the case that this second television has its own cable box, say to allow other members of your household to watch what they wish. How is indeed sharing the Internet with the basement of your house different?
They seem to realize that not letting one household share wouldn't get them many customers, while two households in one house they can claim isn't allowed.
Is it really different? One could certainly argue that it isn't, but then the same argument could apply to all the units in a 20 story building. Where do you draw the line and they seem to go by household. Of course is someone renting a room really different than someone renting a basement apartment with it's own entryway?
On 2023-05-30 17:27, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote:
If it is illegal, how can so many rental structures provide it as apart of their tenancy?
Multi unit buildings, such as an apartment building may have the appropriate agreement. The only way I have experienced that was with cable TV and that was a long time ago. I currently live in a condo and pay all my own utilities, other than water. Someone sharing their personal connection is a violation of the contract. I believe I posted a quote from Rogers a while ago.
I understand that you have important sensory and processing challenges. I also understand that experimentation can cause injury. Characterizing your requirements for us has seemed very difficult. Those of us who have tried to help have not managed to understand the techncial characteristics well enough to make suggestions that you've considered useful. My interpretation of your messages is that you need analog services. All Bell Fibe services over fiber are digital. In fact, even Bell POTS (Plain Old Telephone Service) is digital up until the last mile (copper wire from the Centrol Office to your handset). All services turn into analog for deliver to our ears and eyes or from our mouths. Do you know what part you need to be analog? ======= Similarly, all TV in Canada is now digital. OTA (over the air, free) TV has all switched from NTSC (analog) to ATSC (digital). Rogers Cable, Bell Fibe, Bell Satellite, etc. are all digital now. You can get boxes that convert digial signals to NTSC analogue so that old TVs can continue to work. Streaming services, over the internet, should not be qualitativly different from those from Bell-supplied set-top boxes. But they might be. | From: Karen Lewellen via talk <talk@gtalug.org> | To: talk@gtalug.org | Cc: Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> | Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 14:30:07 -0400 (EDT) | Subject: [GTALUG] an odd question about well on going service factors. | | Hi folks, | Tapping into your genus once again. | At this moment Bell and I continue to fight, land line wise and otherwise. | they seem to be preventing Teksavy from helping me either, I get an announced | visit when not home, then weeks of someone will call you with a solution. | If I am honest, because my analog phone services support my brain health and I | expected to be back on track all this is rather emotionally challenging. | then there is the television situation, which leads to my question. | My landlord is including access to his Fibe TV account, he already provides | internet as a part of my rent. | That means I need a set top box of some kind, my television is conventional, I | do not use the Internet for viewing, its not inclusive for my combination of | disability experiences. | Here is the question..or two of them. | first, is there a universal box of some kind that I can get which will let me | access the available Fibe TV services without using one from Bell | specifically? | if not then... | Second, can one just rent a set top box by itself? | Thanks all around, | Karen | | --- | Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org | Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk | |
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