I rarely use Ubuntu so I'm late to observing some things. I just updated a 20.04 LTS system to a 22.04 LTS system. I did it via a command line (through SSH). There were several warnings about SSH being dangerous because communications could be lost when problems arose. SSH is my normal way of communicating with headless machines so I thought that this was a bit unfortunate. It turned out that I didn't have a problem. The installer informed me that ThunderBird would be provided via SNAP and that there is no other form. I don't like SNAPs but I probably wouldn't even have noticed if the installer didn't tell me. I wonder how many other SNAPs are installed. I think that I can ask the system but I've got other fish to fry at the moment. The upgrade seems to have worked rather painlessly. I'm used to Fedora version updates where only updates of a year are promised to work. This Ubuntu update was a two year update: a nice technical achievement. When I log in now (via SSH) I get this announcement: 9 additional security updates can be applied with ESM Apps. Learn more about enabling ESM Apps service at https://ubuntu.com/esm It seems unethical to withhold security updates. This is one reason why I don't like Ubuntu / Canonical. Long before the update, my system failed to come up in a desktop environment. It just came up in a console. That console is almost unreadable: UltraHD in a 15.6" screen. The console has 135 rows and 480 columns! I never figured out why the system didn't come up in the desktop environment. I spent a little time at that but it didn't really a lot since I only used the Ubuntu installation once a year or so for a program that Fedora didn't have. The system upgrade was an attempt to bypass the bug. No such luck. I guess I'll put a little more effort in analysis.
On Tue, 12 Nov 2024 at 18:28, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
I wonder how many other SNAPs are installed. I think that I can ask the system but I've got other fish to fry at the moment.
Command line: snap list
It seems unethical to withhold security updates. This is one reason why I don't like Ubuntu / Canonical.
I agree, However, ESM is included with a Pro account and a Pro account is free for personal use on up to 5 machines. -- Scott
Scott Allen via talk wrote on 2024-11-12 15:47:
It seems unethical to withhold security updates. This is one reason why I don't like Ubuntu / Canonical.
I agree, However, ESM is included with a Pro account and a Pro account is free for personal use on up to 5 machines. Also, the ESM apps are all part of the "Universe" repo as I understand it (could be wrong).
i.e. Those are not traditionally curated by Canonical. They've now taken on some curation tasks and while we're all awaiting the changes to go upstream then back downstream again, we can gain access them early via that Ubuntu Pro thing. So, it seems a *new* feature to get access to curated Universe repo, and their incentive is get some free signups and / or some corporate payments.
On Tue, Nov 12, 2024 at 06:28:42PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:
I rarely use Ubuntu so I'm late to observing some things.
I just updated a 20.04 LTS system to a 22.04 LTS system.
I did it via a command line (through SSH). There were several warnings about SSH being dangerous because communications could be lost when problems arose. SSH is my normal way of communicating with headless machines so I thought that this was a bit unfortunate. It turned out that I didn't have a problem.
The installer informed me that ThunderBird would be provided via SNAP and that there is no other form. I don't like SNAPs but I probably wouldn't even have noticed if the installer didn't tell me. I wonder how many other SNAPs are installed. I think that I can ask the system but I've got other fish to fry at the moment.
The upgrade seems to have worked rather painlessly. I'm used to Fedora version updates where only updates of a year are promised to work. This Ubuntu update was a two year update: a nice technical achievement.
So when Ubuntu has upgrades every two years that work, it's a nice technical achievement but when Debian's releases are two years apart, they are moving too slow? :) Of course in Debian's case it would be shocking if the upgrade didn't work. Why wouldn't it? They have been doing working in place upgrades for close to 25 years after all. I did see that the Ubuntu 24.04.1 LTS release was delayed quite a bit, because apparently they broke the dependency resolver in apt by making a change Debian didn't want to accept. I believe the final fix was to revert it back to the original design. -- Len Sorensen
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