Dell Refurbished is an arm of Dell Canada that sells off-lease computers. They are having a sale right now: 25% off all systems with a coupon (shown on this page): <https://www.dellrefurbished.ca/hot-deals?cjdata=MXxOfDB8WXww&nocache=1&utm_campaign=cj_affiliate_sale&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=cj&utm_content=749547&utm_term=11065719&cjevent=f6833b787c5f11ef80cd00e50a82b839&publisher=> Note: shipping is extra. The Dell Latitude 3310 looks a little tasty: <https://www.dellrefurbished.ca/item/dell-latitude-3310-no-os-000004/dell-latitude-3310-no-os/1.html> - $179 - 25% + shipping + tax (cheap as a Raspberry Pi 5 system) - OK CPU i5-8265U - Latitude line is a business line, so should be well made - only cosmetic grade B - no OS license. But we have Linux - I'm guessing that it has an open SoDIMM slot to add a second 8G, but I haven't checked - screen resolution is only 1366 x 768 - 100 day warrranty
On 2024-09-26 23:31, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:
The Dell Latitude 3310 looks a little tasty: <https://www.dellrefurbished.ca/item/dell-latitude-3310-no-os-000004/dell-latitude-3310-no-os/1.html>
- $179 - 25% + shipping + tax (cheap as a Raspberry Pi 5 system) - OK CPU i5-8265U - Latitude line is a business line, so should be well made - only cosmetic grade B - no OS license. But we have Linux - I'm guessing that it has an open SoDIMM slot to add a second 8G, but I haven't checked - screen resolution is only 1366 x 768 - 100 day warrranty
The full specs are here: https://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/dell-tablets/13-2-in-1-3310/spd/latitude-13-... It mentions being able to have 16GB of RAM. Based on that page it only has a single SODIMM slot. -- Cheers! Kevin. https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | "Nerds make the shiny things that | distract the mouth-breathers, and Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | that's why we're powerful" #include <disclaimer/favourite> | --Chris Hardwick
I have a thinkpad x260 with 1 slot and max 16gb per the specs. But after reading online I went ahead and stuck a 32gb in there and it seems to work fine. I didn't do anything special to set it up or test it tho. On September 27, 2024 12:55:54 AM EDT, Kevin Cozens via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On 2024-09-26 23:31, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:
The Dell Latitude 3310 looks a little tasty: <https://www.dellrefurbished.ca/item/dell-latitude-3310-no-os-000004/dell-latitude-3310-no-os/1.html>
- $179 - 25% + shipping + tax (cheap as a Raspberry Pi 5 system) - OK CPU i5-8265U - Latitude line is a business line, so should be well made - only cosmetic grade B - no OS license. But we have Linux - I'm guessing that it has an open SoDIMM slot to add a second 8G, but I haven't checked - screen resolution is only 1366 x 768 - 100 day warrranty
The full specs are here: https://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/dell-tablets/13-2-in-1-3310/spd/latitude-13-...
It mentions being able to have 16GB of RAM. Based on that page it only has a single SODIMM slot.
-- Cheers!
Kevin.
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The full specs are here: https://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/dell-tablets/13-2-in-1-3310/spd/latitude-13-...
It mentions being able to have 16GB of RAM. Based on that page it only has a single SODIMM slot.
Thanks! I jumped the gun without looking up the specs. TL;DR: This isn't as good a deal as I thought. That's the wrong model: that's a 2-in-1. I think that the actual model is the normal one, described here: <https://dl.dell.com/content/manual21800025-dell-latitude-3310-setup-and-specifications.pdf> Yes, it has only one SODIMM slot. That's a hint that the computer was designed to be cheap. Another blurb says that it is for "education", in particular, students. That suggests they want it cheap and sturdy. With a high list price so that they can give apparently enticing discounts to easily fooled school boards. "Starting at $1,109.00." <https://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/cty/pdp/spd/latitude-13-3310-laptop?redirectTo=MOC> If these are off lease from a school board, I bet their condition is fairly beat-up. They are cosmetic class "b".
Bought a couple of these. Cosmetically - - - dunno why its class b - - - they look in pretty good shape. Anyone have any ideas on how to get wlan0 running? I've not had these problems in the past - - - just seems like its a bit goofy. Its an intel made wireless setup and it needed regulatory.db installed (that's not part of the normal install!). I will try adding non-free and non-free-firmware to /etc/apt/sources.list to see if that helps. TIA On Fri, Sep 27, 2024 at 8:21 AM D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
From: Kevin Cozens via talk <talk@gtalug.org>
The full specs are here: https://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/dell-tablets/13-2-in-1-3310/spd/latitude-13-...
It mentions being able to have 16GB of RAM. Based on that page it only has a single SODIMM slot.
Thanks! I jumped the gun without looking up the specs.
TL;DR: This isn't as good a deal as I thought.
That's the wrong model: that's a 2-in-1.
I think that the actual model is the normal one, described here: <https://dl.dell.com/content/manual21800025-dell-latitude-3310-setup-and-specifications.pdf>
Yes, it has only one SODIMM slot. That's a hint that the computer was designed to be cheap.
Another blurb says that it is for "education", in particular, students. That suggests they want it cheap and sturdy. With a high list price so that they can give apparently enticing discounts to easily fooled school boards. "Starting at $1,109.00."
<https://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/cty/pdp/spd/latitude-13-3310-laptop?redirectTo=MOC>
If these are off lease from a school board, I bet their condition is fairly beat-up. They are cosmetic class "b". --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Make sure you have conman installed and that the device is not rfkill disabled On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 18:06 o1bigtenor via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Bought a couple of these. Cosmetically - - - dunno why its class b - - - they look in pretty good shape.
Anyone have any ideas on how to get wlan0 running?
I've not had these problems in the past - - - just seems like its a bit goofy. Its an intel made wireless setup and it needed regulatory.db installed (that's not part of the normal install!).
I will try adding non-free and non-free-firmware to /etc/apt/sources.list to see if that helps.
TIA
On Fri, Sep 27, 2024 at 8:21 AM D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
From: Kevin Cozens via talk <talk@gtalug.org>
The full specs are here:
https://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/dell-tablets/13-2-in-1-3310/spd/latitude-13-...
It mentions being able to have 16GB of RAM. Based on that page it only
has a
single SODIMM slot.
Thanks! I jumped the gun without looking up the specs.
TL;DR: This isn't as good a deal as I thought.
That's the wrong model: that's a 2-in-1.
I think that the actual model is the normal one, described here: < https://dl.dell.com/content/manual21800025-dell-latitude-3310-setup-and-spec...
Yes, it has only one SODIMM slot. That's a hint that the computer was designed to be cheap.
Another blurb says that it is for "education", in particular, students. That suggests they want it cheap and sturdy. With a high list price so that they can give apparently enticing discounts to easily fooled school boards. "Starting at $1,109.00."
< https://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/cty/pdp/spd/latitude-13-3310-laptop?redirect...
If these are off lease from a school board, I bet their condition is fairly beat-up. They are cosmetic class "b". --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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rfkill is a command that enables/disables the hardware 99% you won’t need it, and NetworkManager will have the option to enable/disable after conman is installed Sorry, in Cuba and the internet here is… interesting On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 19:13 o1bigtenor via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 6:01 PM Nick Accad <naccad@gmail.com> wrote:
Make sure you have conman installed and that the device is not rfkill
disabled
the second part I do not understand.
Would you unpack it a bit please?
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On 2024-10-04 18:05, o1bigtenor via talk wrote:
Bought a couple of these. Cosmetically - - - dunno why its class b - - - they look in pretty good shape.
Indeed it does. Mine has a large "NO" on the top to the right of the touchpad but it is only noticeable if you look at the right angle.
Anyone have any ideas on how to get wlan0 running?
What Linux(?) distro did you install on the laptop? My unit arrived today, 3 days after the date mentioned when I made my purchase. On first boot it went in to the BIOS did some check, mentioned it wanted to get an update for cos(?) something or other. It didn't repeat the message after it finished its check and I confirmed the drive wasn't bootable. I went through all the BIOS settings to see what was there. I turned off IPv6 and Bluetooth. Wireless support was enabled. I installed Linux Mint Debian Edition. Installation and configuration was pretty standard. I set up the network connection from the Linux desktop. Once I told my router the MAC address was allowed to access the Internet I was online. All the hardware features I tried are working. I heard an odd noise from the laptop. The fan sounds like it needs to be changed. I was hoping for longer battery life compared to my Windows based laptop (that runs at 100% CPU most of the time). The laptop arrived with 92% battery life and I ran it for about 9 hours today. -- Cheers! Kevin. https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | "Nerds make the shiny things that | distract the mouth-breathers, and Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | that's why we're powerful" #include <disclaimer/favourite> | --Chris Hardwick
On Sat, Oct 5, 2024 at 12:28 AM Kevin Cozens via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On 2024-10-04 18:05, o1bigtenor via talk wrote:
Anyone have any ideas on how to get wlan0 running?
What Linux(?) distro did you install on the laptop?
Installed devuan daedalus (like debian stable except no systemd).
snip
All the hardware features I tried are working. I heard an odd noise from the laptop. The fan sounds like it needs to be changed. I was hoping for longer battery life compared to my Windows based laptop (that runs at 100% CPU most of the time). The laptop arrived with 92% battery life and I ran it for about 9 hours today.
Dunno what to do but connman refuses to connect. RF-kill was alive and well - - - I just sent it away (permanently!). When I use #ip link set wlan0 up there is no result (normal) but when I go #ip link show wlan0 I'm still getting wlan0: <NO-CARRIER, BROADCAST, MULTICAST, DYNAMIC,UP> mtu,1500 qdisc noqueue state DOWN mode DORMANT group default glen 1000 so - - - how do I kick this thing in the pants to get wlan0 working? TIA
Debian has always had (negative) strong views about non-free drivers, and I assume Devuan is no better. And Wifi drivers are often "non-free." I use Debian heavily, so I can make suggestions about that - although I can't address either Devuan or your specific hardware. For Debian, what I often have to do is to spend some time A) determining the type of wireless device, and B) installing the drivers for it. `lsusb` is your friend (also try `lspci`). This lists out your USB devices (or PCI devices). You should be able to spot the Wifi. Here are a couple examples from two of my machines: Bus 002 Device 006: ID 0bda:8153 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8153 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter This is a USB device that was detected and worked out-of-the-box by Debian, much to my surprise. 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 8265 / 8275 (rev 78) This is a PCI device, and required some work. I hope you have a USB-to-Ethernet dongle that works so that you can easily search and install packages on the machine that has the problematic Wifi. Use a browser to search for "Debian" and "Intel 8265" (or "8275"). The answer in this case turned out to be to install the "firmware-iwlwifi" package which probably came from the "non-free" package repository. Even if it didn't, when dealing with Wifi you definitely want to have the "non-free" packages available. In this example case, simply installing the package was enough to get the Wifi working after a reboot. In less fortunate cases, you may have to muck around with `insmod` and the start-up scripts. Read the pages you find about the particular hardware and driver and Debian/Devuan carefully. It's a PITA, but unless you have an exceptionally obscure Wifi device, it's usually fairly straight-forward. Good luck. On Sun, 6 Oct 2024 at 10:34, o1bigtenor via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On Sat, Oct 5, 2024 at 12:28 AM Kevin Cozens via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On 2024-10-04 18:05, o1bigtenor via talk wrote:
Anyone have any ideas on how to get wlan0 running?
What Linux(?) distro did you install on the laptop?
Installed devuan daedalus (like debian stable except no systemd).
snip
All the hardware features I tried are working. I heard an odd noise from the laptop. The fan sounds like it needs to be changed. I was hoping for longer battery life compared to my Windows based laptop (that runs at 100% CPU most of the time). The laptop arrived with 92% battery life and I ran it for about 9 hours today.
Dunno what to do but connman refuses to connect.
RF-kill was alive and well - - - I just sent it away (permanently!). When I use #ip link set wlan0 up there is no result (normal) but when I go #ip link show wlan0 I'm still getting wlan0: <NO-CARRIER, BROADCAST, MULTICAST, DYNAMIC,UP> mtu,1500 qdisc noqueue state DOWN mode DORMANT group default glen 1000
so - - - how do I kick this thing in the pants to get wlan0 working?
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On Thu, Sep 26, 2024 at 11:31:26PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:
Dell Refurbished is an arm of Dell Canada that sells off-lease computers.
They are having a sale right now: 25% off all systems with a coupon (shown on this page): <https://www.dellrefurbished.ca/hot-deals?cjdata=MXxOfDB8WXww&nocache=1&utm_campaign=cj_affiliate_sale&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=cj&utm_content=749547&utm_term=11065719&cjevent=f6833b787c5f11ef80cd00e50a82b839&publisher=>
Note: shipping is extra.
The Dell Latitude 3310 looks a little tasty: <https://www.dellrefurbished.ca/item/dell-latitude-3310-no-os-000004/dell-latitude-3310-no-os/1.html>
- $179 - 25% + shipping + tax (cheap as a Raspberry Pi 5 system) - OK CPU i5-8265U - Latitude line is a business line, so should be well made
Certainly the ones I used about 10 years ago were far from well built. The keyboard and touchpad and trackpoint were essentially unusable, hence the standard event of people heading to a meating with their laptop, and a wired mouse and keyboard to connect to it. The ones these days do seem a lot better than that fortunately. -- Len Sorensen
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