Tutorials on Linux command-line -- any interest?
Subject of "tutorial" comes up every year at Linux BBQ. This year, at Hacklab, was no different. OK, I'll bite first. I will give a series of tutorials on "Linux Command-Line", starting with - Shell (bash) - Vi editor (vim) It will be workshop style. So, you can bring laptop (Windows and Chromebook), try out examples, and ask questions. How many are interested? We'll work out the logistics later. -- William
William Park via talk a écrit profondement: | I will give a series of tutorials on "Linux Command-Line", starting with | - Shell (bash) | - Vi editor (vim) | It will be workshop style. So, you can bring laptop (Windows and | Chromebook), try out examples, and ask questions. I will give it a try depending upon Timing and Location -- Bill Henderson <billh@sdf.org> http://inconnu.freeshell.org/Sig/slackware.jpg
I will attend but I think it would be great if gtalug could get some visibility on this for the public at large. How might this be done. /gary On 17-07-22 11:17 PM, William Park via talk wrote:
Subject of "tutorial" comes up every year at Linux BBQ. This year, at Hacklab, was no different. OK, I'll bite first.
I will give a series of tutorials on "Linux Command-Line", starting with - Shell (bash) - Vi editor (vim) It will be workshop style. So, you can bring laptop (Windows and Chromebook), try out examples, and ask questions.
How many are interested? We'll work out the logistics later.
There was no formal discussion with the GTALUG board. I just got tired of talking about it and decided to show initiative. :-) GTALUG has long ceased to be "users group" and has degenerated to social get-together. Symptoms are - It has stopped growing. - No new idea or people are coming in. - It's not doing anything, because the current people are already expert in what they are doing, so no need to do anything. - It's falling behind the time. There are people who knows Linux and never heard about GTALUG. (I see this at work) So, what's the cure? I think that structured tutorials is the best way to hold on to people. "Linux Command-Line" is not the only topics. There are many others, even from this mailing list alone. -- William On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 06:40:47PM -0400, Gary via talk wrote:
I will attend but I think it would be great if gtalug could get some visibility on this for the public at large. How might this be done. /gary
On 17-07-22 11:17 PM, William Park via talk wrote:
Subject of "tutorial" comes up every year at Linux BBQ. This year, at Hacklab, was no different. OK, I'll bite first.
I will give a series of tutorials on "Linux Command-Line", starting with - Shell (bash) - Vi editor (vim) It will be workshop style. So, you can bring laptop (Windows and Chromebook), try out examples, and ask questions.
How many are interested? We'll work out the logistics later.
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Warm Greetings To GTALUG,
From a Windows XP "orphan" and Linux newbie :)
Lately I haven't had much to say on this GTALUG email forum. No pressing issues needing help right now. Not pushy enough to waste GTALUG bandwidth with general musings. However, in response to William Park's observations about the status of GTALUG, may say that I find good value in simply "lurking"? Often I am saving a snippet of wisdom copied from a GTALUG email, into one of the plain-text notes files I keep on various projects. Actually William, your offer of a Linux command line tutorial caught my interest. If only I lived closer to the meeting venue ... Except that I'm probably going to be using mksh rather than bash. But having some basic vi(m) skills could come in handy. Every time I've had to use vi, it's been the most frustrating hair-pulling nightmare just trying to get that stupid arcanely-user-interfaced program to do the simplest darn thing ... * * * * * * Earlier, I received a some hugely helpful advice from GTALUG members, regarding my list of proposed components for a new desktop PC build. I revised the recipe accordingly. Got delayed with the PC build project, but am now back working on it. Made more revisions to the parts list, which is "almost" finalized now. My beautiful new heavy-duty 24/7 desktop PC is replacing a very old Dell Windows XP PC. Bye bye Microsoft. Hello Linux. And I'm counting on GTALUG as my go-to source of advice. * * * * * * This new desktop PC will be running debian Linux (+ LXDE) as its primary OS. I may install Windows (7 / 10) in case of a dire need for some Windows functionality. E.g. flashing the ASROCK mainboard bios. But just today (24 July 2017), I learned from D. Hugh Redelmeier's posting, about the FreeDOS alternative for flashing firmware, so I've tucked that idea away in a notes file for future reference -- Thanks Hugh !! I hope to be building the new PC iwithin the next month. Real sson now. No doubt, as I work to install debian Linux, and configure the disk drive, etc. I will be coming to GTALUG for advice. * * * * * * So, my feedback to GTALUG is that the e-forum aspect of GTALUG is a very important resource for me (and I expect for a number of other "lurkers"). In addition, I find GTALUG email forum to being a source of some very interesting wider tech-ralated musings, by knowledgeable members. I've even passed some interesting bits (e.g. apps detecting surveillance of cell phone traffic) on to the OpenMedia openmedia.org folks (re: concerns about muncipal police forces misusing RCMP-provided Sidewinder traffic sniffing). I do regret that I live so far away from the Yonge St. + Dundas St. area, otherwise I would be attending GTALUG meetings. Thanks to GTALUG for being there / here ... Steve * * * P.S. I have an idea, for something GTALUG could consider doing, to re-energise, raise GTALUG visibility (and maybe raise a few dollars for GTALUG initiatives). An idea related to my new PC build. Once my build is done, I will raise this idea. Steve Petrie, P.Eng. Oakville, Ontario, Canada (905) 847-3253 apetrie@aspetrie.net ----- Original Message ----- From: William Park via talk To: talk@gtalug.org Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Tutorials on Linux command-line -- any interest? There was no formal discussion with the GTALUG board. I just got tired of talking about it and decided to show initiative. :-) GTALUG has long ceased to be "users group" and has degenerated to social get-together. Symptoms are - It has stopped growing. - No new idea or people are coming in. - It's not doing anything, because the current people are already expert in what they are doing, so no need to do anything. - It's falling behind the time. There are people who knows Linux and never heard about GTALUG. (I see this at work) So, what's the cure? I think that structured tutorials is the best way to hold on to people. "Linux Command-Line" is not the only topics. There are many others, even from this mailing list alone. -- William On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 06:40:47PM -0400, Gary via talk wrote:
I will attend but I think it would be great if gtalug could get some visibility on this for the public at large. How might this be done. /gary
On 17-07-22 11:17 PM, William Park via talk wrote:
Subject of "tutorial" comes up every year at Linux BBQ. This year, at Hacklab, was no different. OK, I'll bite first.
I will give a series of tutorials on "Linux Command-Line", starting with - Shell (bash) - Vi editor (vim) It will be workshop style. So, you can bring laptop (Windows and Chromebook), try out examples, and ask questions.
How many are interested? We'll work out the logistics later.
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| From: "Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk" <talk@gtalug.org> | Actually William, your offer of a Linux command line tutorial caught my | interest. If only I lived closer to the meeting venue ... | | Except that I'm probably going to be using mksh rather than bash. But | having some basic vi(m) skills could come in handy. Every time I've had | to use vi, it's been the most frustrating hair-pulling nightmare just | trying to get that stupid arcanely-user-interfaced program to do the | simplest darn thing ... vi skills are pretty basic to using Linux. But I don't have them and I've survived. I've used UNIX and then Linux as my primary OS since before vi existed. Still, I recommend learning vi if you can stand it. For new users there are a lot of reasonable choices: gedit and nano/pico, for example. I happily use an emacs-subset "jove" as my editor. emacs' keystrokes are known to nano/pico, alpine (Mail User Agent), and to bash so I'm mostly OK without vi skills. (vi grew out of UNIX ed, a "line editor". The concept of modes is in its DNA. Modes are a Bad Thing. "don't mode me in" is a rallying cry found on Larry Tesler's t-shirt.) For decades, emacs was much more powerful than vi and some of that power is quite useful (eg. multiple buffers and multiple panes). vim has probably caught up. I'm not sure why one would pick mksh ("MirBSD Korn Shell") over bash. Could you explain? Here's my initial position: - Both are bloated recreation of the Bourne Shell. By bloat, I mean they add lots of features and use much more RAM. Reading the manuals is burdensome. The resource usage is quite affordable these days (the Bourne Shell was developed on and for PDP-11 computers which limited processes to 64k of code and 64k of data; it used quite a bit less; (vi and jove *just* fit back in the day)). - some of the additional features are really really useful. I find it very hard to live without bash's emacs-keystrokes line editing and how it complements the historm mechanism. I'm pretty sure that this was in the original Korn Shell and thus must be in mksh. bash is everywhere. Microsoft now supports bash on Win10! If mksh has no significant advantage, you are better off with bash. Are there significant advantages for you? mksh claims to take less RAM than bash. That's good but not compelling to me. Pick your fights. Here are some I've picked: - I use Linux, not Windows - I use Jove (emacs subset), not vi, not emacs - I use C, not C++ - (lost long ago) Atari ST, not IBM PC And some I have not fought: - I use whatever desktop my distro provides - I use bash, not rc (the Plan 9 shell) - I use Linux, not Plan 9 - (so far) I use C, not Rust | I may install Windows (7 / 10) in case of a dire need for some Windows | functionality. E.g. flashing the ASROCK mainboard bios. But just today | (24 July 2017), I learned from D. Hugh Redelmeier's posting, about the | FreeDOS alternative for flashing firmware, so I've tucked that idea away | in a notes file for future reference -- Thanks Hugh !! I'm glad you found that useful. I just assumed (with no basis!) that everyone knew about FreeDOS.
On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 12:27:55PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:
- some of the additional features are really really useful. I find it very hard to live without bash's emacs-keystrokes line editing and how it complements the historm mechanism. I'm pretty sure that this was in the original Korn Shell and thus must be in mksh.
I'm opposite. I use vi-mode even on shell command-line, so I find it hard to live without vi-keystrokes. Anyways, guys... we've been through this many times. I need numbers. If I have 10 people interested, assuming 50% shows up, then I can approach GTALUG board and Hacklab for logistics. -- William
Hugh, Many thanks for your thoughtful reply. My remarks are below. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk" <talk@gtalug.org> To: "GTALUG Talk" <talk@gtalug.org> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Tutorials on Linux command-line -- any interest?
| From: "Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk" <talk@gtalug.org>
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vi skills are pretty basic to using Linux. But I don't have them and I've survived. I've used UNIX and then Linux as my primary OS since before vi existed. Still, I recommend learning vi if you can stand it.
For new users there are a lot of reasonable choices: gedit and nano/pico, for example.
I happily use an emacs-subset "jove" as my editor. emacs' keystrokes are known to nano/pico, alpine (Mail User Agent), and to bash so I'm mostly OK without vi skills.
(vi grew out of UNIX ed, a "line editor". The concept of modes is in its DNA. Modes are a Bad Thing. "don't mode me in" is a rallying cry found on Larry Tesler's t-shirt.)
For decades, emacs was much more powerful than vi and some of that power is quite useful (eg. multiple buffers and multiple panes). vim has probably caught up.
Many helpful tips about line editors under linux, much appreciated. What primarily conditions my choices of various tools (and pretty well all else) in the transition from Win XP to debian Linux, is an overriding need for maximum simplicity of working environment. I need to be able to switch quickly from one of my projects to another, sometimes not touching a project for many months. Everything I work on better be plain dead dumb simple to understand and use, because I'm never ever going to be other than barely scratching the surface of what Linux can do for me. This need for simplicity and personal time economy, even conditions the time I will take to choose tools for my Linux personal toolbox. It''s a paradox. Computers and the Internet are so vitally importent to the projects I work on that I am investing a lot of time fine-tuniing the Windows => Linux move (both hw and sw). At the same time, I have too many projects on the go, and too little time left in this world in which to complete them. But I so love working at computers and programming that only sternest self-denial keeps me from entanglement in the pleasures of Linux hair-splitting. The last thing I need is to spend too much time learning neat new stuff about Linux if this takes me away from pushing around the other chequers on my chequerboard of life ...
I'm not sure why one would pick mksh ("MirBSD Korn Shell") over bash. Could you explain?
<snip> <bash is everywhere. Microsoft now supports bash on Win10! If mksh <has no significant advantage, you are better off with bash. Are there <significant advantages for you? I'm a Linux newbie. My only Unix-related experience is a project I worked on many years ago before I retired as an independent contract software engineer. Technical lead on a project to customize and install an annuities system (broker sale transactions, annuitant management and payout) for a life insurance company, running under IBM's AIX version of Unux. I was handed KSH as my shell. I always found KSH to be rock solid and easy enought to use. So I rationalized my MKSH decision with Linux as "better the devil you used to know". As with other decisions I have made in my Win ==> Lin transition, I am open to having my mind changed by advice from GTALUG members, Based on your advice, I'll very likely step up to bash and forget about mksh. I did take a serious look at Fish Shell. But in the end that team's almost joyful ease with breaking backward compatibility, aroused my terror of all things bleeding edge, to rule out Fish shell. Your point about bash being everywhere rang a loud bell for me. Quite likely bash is going to rear its friendly head anyway, during my life with Linux, in the form of tool-specific bash scripting included with some tool I choose to use.
Pick your fights. Here are some I've picked:
- I use Linux, not Windows +1 (soon).
- I use Jove (emacs subset), not vi, not emacs noted.
use C, not C++ I use C++ mostly like C but with some simple objects and exceptions.
- (lost long ago) Atari ST, not IBM PC
Lost long ago Imsai 8080 (kit) & Commodore 64.
And some I have not fought:
- I use whatever desktop my distro provides
I plan to use LXDE (Win-like & low resource utilization). <snip>
| I may install Windows (7 / 10) in case of a dire need for some Windows | functionality. E.g. flashing the ASROCK mainboard bios. But just today | (24 July 2017), I learned from D. Hugh Redelmeier's posting, about the | FreeDOS alternative for flashing firmware, so I've tucked that idea away | in a notes file for future reference -- Thanks Hugh !!
I'm glad you found that useful. I just assumed (with no basis!) that everyone knew about FreeDOS.
I did know about (the liklihood of things like) FreeDOS. What I didn't know is that it seems that bios firmware patches must come in some kind of community-standard representation that frees motherboard users from being stuck with using the mb-maker's fw update tool.
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| From: "Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk" <talk@gtalug.org> | I did know about (the liklihood of things like) FreeDOS. | | What I didn't know is that it seems that bios firmware patches must come | in some kind of community-standard representation that frees motherboard | users from being stuck with using the mb-maker's fw update tool. When the PC clones first appeared, the universal OS was DOS. That's what they used as a platform for firmware updates. Only later did Windows come along and eventually motherboard manufacturers had to run the update tools under Windows. Many support both but some require Windows. Many document this poorly. There is some effort to support firmware update under Linux. I'm not likely to try it because I judge the ratio of risk to reward to be unfavourable. (The first time I bought a motherboard that came with a Windows firmware update, I tried it and it bricked the board. The manufacturer said it was my fault. Luckily I had captured a screen shot of their web page where they had briefly admitted culpability, so they did end up covering it under warranty.)
On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 04:22:49PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:
When the PC clones first appeared, the universal OS was DOS. That's what they used as a platform for firmware updates. Only later did Windows come along and eventually motherboard manufacturers had to run the update tools under Windows. Many support both but some require Windows. Many document this poorly.
I like the ones that have firmware update support built in to the firmware itself.
There is some effort to support firmware update under Linux. I'm not likely to try it because I judge the ratio of risk to reward to be unfavourable.
(The first time I bought a motherboard that came with a Windows firmware update, I tried it and it bricked the board. The manufacturer said it was my fault. Luckily I had captured a screen shot of their web page where they had briefly admitted culpability, so they did end up covering it under warranty.)
Ouch. -- Len Sorensen
On 2017-07-28 04:22 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:
There is some effort to support firmware update under Linux.
There are some motherboards that are including the ability to update the firmware from the motherboard firmware without the need to boot to an operating system. The ASUS motherboard I have includes such a feature. It makes doing firmware updates a lot easier. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful!" #include <disclaimer/favourite> | --Chris Hardwick
On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 05:21:14PM -0400, Kevin Cozens via talk wrote:
On 2017-07-28 04:22 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:
There is some effort to support firmware update under Linux.
There are some motherboards that are including the ability to update the firmware from the motherboard firmware without the need to boot to an operating system. The ASUS motherboard I have includes such a feature. It makes doing firmware updates a lot easier.
I thought it was always like that. I don't remember booting to Windows to upgrade BIOS of motherboard. Anyways... if Shell/Editor is not the subject of interest, is there any other topics you guys are interested? There is a very large collective expertise here and nearby. -- William Park <opengeometry@yahoo.ca>
On 2017-07-29 10:52 AM, William Park via talk wrote:
Anyways... if Shell/Editor is not the subject of interest, is there any other topics you guys are interested?
I've never “got” IRC: either the client setup is so hideous, or the channel's signal-to-noise ratio so far from what I need that I've never stuck around. I've lurked around some Slack channels because they were either related to an event or group I was associated with, or were required as yet another attention-vampire at work. It's also entirely closed, but at least you can post :partyparrot: almost everywhere. So something on the hows and whys of IRC would work for me. If IRC is still a thing, that is. cheers, Stewart
On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 10:52:43AM -0400, William Park via talk wrote:
I thought it was always like that. I don't remember booting to Windows to upgrade BIOS of motherboard.
It was often done that way. Many these days seem to have a program you run in windows that loads something into UEFI which then on reboot will do the actual updating. Actually I think what they do is place the update on the UEFI boot partition, add an entry to the boot menu as a one time default override, then reboot and it runs that new boot payload to do the update. -- Len Sorensen
On 2017-07-29 10:52 AM, William Park via talk wrote:
On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 05:21:14PM -0400, Kevin Cozens via talk wrote:
There are some motherboards that are including the ability to update the firmware from the motherboard firmware without the need to boot to an operating system. The ASUS motherboard I have includes such a feature. It makes doing firmware updates a lot easier.
I thought it was always like that. I don't remember booting to Windows to upgrade BIOS of motherboard.
No, it wasn't always like that. AFAICR the ability to flash the BIOS from a memory stick is a more recent thing. Until this latest hardware upgrade I had not seen a motherboard that had the ability to reprogram itself without the need of some special program which would only run under either DOS or Windows. In the very early days flashing a BIOS meant pulling the memory chip out of the board and replacing it, or using a UV light to erase the EPROM containing the BIOS and reprogram it using a device for programming EPROMs. That was a very different time. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful!" #include <disclaimer/favourite> | --Chris Hardwick
On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 12:32:25PM -0400, Kevin Cozens via talk wrote:
No, it wasn't always like that. AFAICR the ability to flash the BIOS from a memory stick is a more recent thing. Until this latest hardware upgrade I had not seen a motherboard that had the ability to reprogram itself without the need of some special program which would only run under either DOS or Windows.
In the very early days flashing a BIOS meant pulling the memory chip out of the board and replacing it, or using a UV light to erase the EPROM containing the BIOS and reprogram it using a device for programming EPROMs. That was a very different time.
I remember ordering a BIOS from Microid Research (MR BIOS) to replace the stock BIOS on an Asus 486 board. What a huge improvement that chip was over the original. HD limit went from 500MB to 137GB, supported up to 4 floppies and 8 IDE drives, BIOS started boot in under 5 seconds from power on, etc. Wonderful thing. Yeah it was a chip swap at that time to do a BIOS update. -- Len Sorensen
William, One cure (actually, an affordance) is to register the GTALUG on meetup.com, for visibility. If I look at https://www.meetup.com/topics/linux/ca/on/toronto/ , I see "Toronto Linux Meetup" saying "over 50 interested". There's a target audience! I had done this in 2009, for the systems sciences community (in preparation for the ISSS Waterloo meeting in 2010). The first year at meetup.com was free, and then they started charging for being on meetup.com. I didn't want to continue (as an individual) to pay for the registrations, so in subsequent years, restarted on Google Sites (at http://wiki.st-on.org/ ), with links to register on Eventbrite (which doesn't charge for free events). I notice that IBM does have notifications on meetup.com , with a pointer to register elsewhere. As an example, see https://www.meetup.com/Toronto-IBM-Tech-Talks-Meetup/ , where the April 20 event says "In addition to RSVPing on Meetup here, please also register at the Eventbrite link". As a new attendee to GTALUG events, I did a little extra searching to find the group. Right now, searching Google on "Linux Toronto Meetup" has GTALUG as the fifth hit on my list. In the interest of longevity, it's great that GTALUG is on its own domain. In the interest of publicity, there's a large group of people who think meetup.com is the only place that advertises meetups. P.S. I have also sent notifications to events@nowtoronto.com (see https://nowtoronto.com/contact ), which is free. This has picked up people who don't plan more than a day ahead. On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 9:21 PM, William Park via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
There was no formal discussion with the GTALUG board. I just got tired of talking about it and decided to show initiative. :-)
GTALUG has long ceased to be "users group" and has degenerated to social get-together. Symptoms are - It has stopped growing. - No new idea or people are coming in. - It's not doing anything, because the current people are already expert in what they are doing, so no need to do anything. - It's falling behind the time. There are people who knows Linux and never heard about GTALUG. (I see this at work)
So, what's the cure? I think that structured tutorials is the best way to hold on to people. "Linux Command-Line" is not the only topics. There are many others, even from this mailing list alone. -- William
On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 06:40:47PM -0400, Gary via talk wrote:
I will attend but I think it would be great if gtalug could get some visibility on this for the public at large. How might this be done. /gary
On 17-07-22 11:17 PM, William Park via talk wrote:
Subject of "tutorial" comes up every year at Linux BBQ. This year, at Hacklab, was no different. OK, I'll bite first.
I will give a series of tutorials on "Linux Command-Line", starting with - Shell (bash) - Vi editor (vim) It will be workshop style. So, you can bring laptop (Windows and Chromebook), try out examples, and ask questions.
How many are interested? We'll work out the logistics later.
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Another idea is to petition Ryerson to offer more courses in Linux development. Ryerson already has a course on operating systems, which is, ipso facto, linux but we could encourage them to offer continuing education courses to expand this offering. On 17-07-24 09:32 AM, David Ing isss--- via talk wrote:
William,
One cure (actually, an affordance) is to register the GTALUG on meetup.com <http://meetup.com>, for visibility.
If I look at https://www.meetup.com/topics/linux/ca/on/toronto/ , I see "Toronto Linux Meetup" saying "over 50 interested". There's a target audience!
I had done this in 2009, for the systems sciences community (in preparation for the ISSS Waterloo meeting in 2010). The first year at meetup.com <http://meetup.com> was free, and then they started charging for being on meetup.com <http://meetup.com>. I didn't want to continue (as an individual) to pay for the registrations, so in subsequent years, restarted on Google Sites (at http://wiki.st-on.org/ ), with links to register on Eventbrite (which doesn't charge for free events).
I notice that IBM does have notifications on meetup.com <http://meetup.com> , with a pointer to register elsewhere. As an example, see https://www.meetup.com/Toronto-IBM-Tech-Talks-Meetup/ , where the April 20 event says "In addition to RSVPing on Meetup here, please also register at the Eventbrite link".
As a new attendee to GTALUG events, I did a little extra searching to find the group. Right now, searching Google on "Linux Toronto Meetup" has GTALUG as the fifth hit on my list.
In the interest of longevity, it's great that GTALUG is on its own domain. In the interest of publicity, there's a large group of people who think meetup.com <http://meetup.com> is the only place that advertises meetups.
P.S. I have also sent notifications to events@nowtoronto.com <mailto:events@nowtoronto.com> (see https://nowtoronto.com/contact ), which is free. This has picked up people who don't plan more than a day ahead.
On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 9:21 PM, William Park via talk <talk@gtalug.org <mailto:talk@gtalug.org>> wrote:
There was no formal discussion with the GTALUG board. I just got tired of talking about it and decided to show initiative. :-)
GTALUG has long ceased to be "users group" and has degenerated to social get-together. Symptoms are - It has stopped growing. - No new idea or people are coming in. - It's not doing anything, because the current people are already expert in what they are doing, so no need to do anything. - It's falling behind the time. There are people who knows Linux and never heard about GTALUG. (I see this at work)
So, what's the cure? I think that structured tutorials is the best way to hold on to people. "Linux Command-Line" is not the only topics. There are many others, even from this mailing list alone. -- William
On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 06:40:47PM -0400, Gary via talk wrote: > I will attend but I think it would be great if gtalug could get some > visibility on this for the public at large. How might this be done. > /gary > > On 17-07-22 11:17 PM, William Park via talk wrote: > > Subject of "tutorial" comes up every year at Linux BBQ. This year, at > > Hacklab, was no different. OK, I'll bite first. > > > > I will give a series of tutorials on "Linux Command-Line", starting with > > - Shell (bash) > > - Vi editor (vim) > > It will be workshop style. So, you can bring laptop (Windows and > > Chromebook), try out examples, and ask questions. > > > > How many are interested? > > We'll work out the logistics later. > > --- > Talk Mailing List > talk@gtalug.org <mailto:talk@gtalug.org> > https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk <https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk> --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org <mailto:talk@gtalug.org> https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk <https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk>
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On 2017-07-24 09:32 AM, David Ing isss--- via talk wrote:
One cure (actually, an affordance) is to register the GTALUG on meetup.com <http://meetup.com>, for visibility.
Running a meetup.com group isn't cheap (I co-run one, and one the size of this mailing list would eat through our total funds very quickly) but it is a great way of getting new folks. There's an ops group meeting tonight. I'll bring it up then. Meetup brings all its own membership and communications infrastructure (and levels of spam for admins that scale new heights) so I think we might have to think hard on how to use that.
Right now, searching Google on "Linux Toronto Meetup" has GTALUG as the fifth hit on my list.
I'm guessing that Google is algorithmically weighting your search to favour "linux" "toronto" site:meetup.com since I'm sure meetup.com forks over a bunch of cash in order to be found favourable in the eyes of the Goog. cheers, Stewart
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm co-organizer of the KW Non-Profit SysAdmin group, which has a presence on meetup.com. We boast 249 members, but are lucky to get even 10 out to a meeting. If it weren't for the sponsorship of NetSquared, we wouldn't be using meetup.com at all. Too expensive, no practical return for money spent. And even NetSquared is looking for alternatives to meetup.com. - --Bob. https://www.meetup.com/NetSquared-Kitchener-Waterloo/ On 2017-07-24 12:05 PM, Stewart C. Russell via talk wrote:
On 2017-07-24 09:32 AM, David Ing isss--- via talk wrote:
One cure (actually, an affordance) is to register the GTALUG on meetup.com <http://meetup.com>, for visibility.
Running a meetup.com group isn't cheap (I co-run one, and one the size of this mailing list would eat through our total funds very quickly) but it is a great way of getting new folks.
There's an ops group meeting tonight. I'll bring it up then.
Meetup brings all its own membership and communications infrastructure (and levels of spam for admins that scale new heights) so I think we might have to think hard on how to use that.
Right now, searching Google on "Linux Toronto Meetup" has GTALUG as the fifth hit on my list.
I'm guessing that Google is algorithmically weighting your search to favour
"linux" "toronto" site:meetup.com
since I'm sure meetup.com forks over a bunch of cash in order to be found favourable in the eyes of the Goog.
cheers, Stewart --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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On 2017-07-24 09:32 AM, David Ing isss--- via talk wrote:
One cure (actually, an affordance) is to register the GTALUG on meetup.com <http://meetup.com>, for visibility.
If I look at https://www.meetup.com/topics/linux/ca/on/toronto/ , I see "Toronto Linux Meetup" saying "over 50 interested". There's a target audience!
That is a good idea. Checking that page another group listed is the Scarborough Windows and Linux Meetup which has 133 members. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful!" #include <disclaimer/favourite> | --Chris Hardwick
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Bob Jonkman -
D. Hugh Redelmeier -
David Ing isss＠daviding.com -
Gary -
Kevin Cozens -
lsorense＠csclub.uwaterloo.ca -
Slack Rat -
Steve Petrie, P.Eng. -
Stewart C. Russell -
William Park