-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Can anyone tell me how to watch real time streaming of the PanAm games from cbc.ca/panam? When I click on a streaming link on that page all I get is a black rectangle. I must be missing something. I have Debian Jessie and Iceweasel. Regards, Ken Heard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAlWq8sQACgkQlNlJzOkJmTfodwCfTcKy3Aum90jeteXhbRpBsM6J 6SkAn3pl6MDgDaogWlBIdCef3e3uXcoQ =JqPW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2015-07-18 20:43, Ken Heard wrote:
Can anyone tell me how to watch real time streaming of the PanAm games from cbc.ca/panam? When I click on a streaming link on that page all I get is a black rectangle. I must be missing something. I have Debian Jessie and Iceweasel.
After receiving a tip off list I installed Google Chrome and so was able to see and hear the clips on cbc.ca/panam. The question of why I could not use Iceweasel for that purpose however remains. Regards, Ken -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAlWrwO4ACgkQlNlJzOkJmTe3xQCeJ25KIYmYF9cJPvxDVYneulSd e24AmwQgU6Uq7XmnyicsN3ICP/WWx8Na =hqcK -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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The question of why I could not use Ice-weasel for that purpose however remains.
<snip> Hi Ken, In the address bar (also location bar or URL bar) when I type: *about:addons *or *about:plugins* I can see the version of flash being used by Iceweasel and in my case it is: *Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202. * And in Chrome when I type: *chrome://plugins/* it shows me Adobe Flash Player* - Version: 16.0.0.305* * Shockwave Flash 16.0 r0* So am guessing Ice-weasel is unable to play the stream due to the flash version not being the very latest as in chrome. Thank's - Aruna
On 15-07-19 11:46 AM, Aruna Hewapathirane wrote:>> <snip>
Ken wrote:
 The question of why I could not use Ice-weasel for that purpose however remains.
it shows me Adobe Flash Player*Â -Â Version:Â 16.0.0.305** Shockwave Flash 16.0 r0*
So am guessing Ice-weasel is unable to play the stream due to the flash version not being the very latest as in chrome.
That is one of the problems one runs in to with watching live video off of websites run by TV networks. Their sites are set up to be used by Windows users, almost as if everyone uses Windows (or has access to a machine that runs Windows). They often use, or require the latest version of some Windows created player software. The Linux versions often lag behind and you find you can't see their video. I had that happen on a site showing Olympics coverage where I needed to use Moonlight(?) which was the Linux equivalent of the Windows specific plug-in needed to play the website video. The latest version of Moonlight wasn't able to play the video as you required the almost very latest version of Silverlight (IIRC). -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful!" #include <disclaimer/favourite> | --Chris Hardwick
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2015-07-19 12:36, Kevin Cozens wrote:
On 15-07-19 11:46 AM, Aruna Hewapathirane wrote:>> <snip>
Ken wrote:
 The question of why I could not use Ice-weasel for that purpose however remains.
it shows me Adobe Flash Player*Â -Â Version:Â 16.0.0.305** Shockwave Flash 16.0 r0*
So am guessing Ice-weasel is unable to play the stream due to the flash version not being the very latest as in chrome.
That is one of the problems one runs in to with watching live video off of websites run by TV networks. Their sites are set up to be used by Windows users, almost as if everyone uses Windows (or has access to a machine that runs Windows). They often use, or require the latest version of some Windows created player software. The Linux versions often lag behind and you find you can't see their video.
The same thought also occurred to me. My Iceweasel has flashplayer 11.2.202.401; whereas the chrome version I downloaded has 18.0.0.209. Adobe is no longer providing upgrades to flashplayer for linux -- only security fixes to version 11.2.202. What we need now is an open source equivalent of the latest flashplayer along with something like the default user agent, which fools websites into believing the user has MSIE, to fool sites into believing that the user has the latest version of Adobe flashplayer. In the absence of an open source equivalent to flashplayer the usefulness of Iceweasel, and probably Firefox as well, is compromised.
I had that happen on a site showing Olympics coverage where I needed to use Moonlight(?) which was the Linux equivalent of the Windows specific plug-in needed to play the website video. The latest version of Moonlight wasn't able to play the video as you required the almost very latest version of Silverlight (IIRC).
I had the same problem during the Winter Olympics in Vancouver and Whistler. I never did get Silverlight to work effectively, as much I think caused by a slow internet connection as anything else. At the time I was in Thailand. Regards, Ken -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAlWr/JkACgkQlNlJzOkJmTfMQwCfUYTGE8SBaWD4iUKd3eO00wtD CsIAni6B6rsUJgHr4jhV/1VZN4nPbIr8 =4luh -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ken Heard wrote:
What we need now is an open source equivalent of the latest flashplayer
No, what we need is to educate the mass media outlets et. al. that free software exists that does not require them to spend $$$ on licenses for proprietary software that has been limiting their advertising reach to yet more eyeballs. - --Bob, who remains ever optimistic and naive. On 19/07/15 03:38 PM, Ken Heard wrote:
On 2015-07-19 12:36, Kevin Cozens wrote:
On 15-07-19 11:46 AM, Aruna Hewapathirane wrote:>> <snip>
Ken wrote:
 The question of why I could not use Ice-weasel for that purpose however remains.
it shows me Adobe Flash Player*Â -Â Version:Â 16.0.0.305** Shockwave Flash 16.0 r0*
So am guessing Ice-weasel is unable to play the stream due to the flash version not being the very latest as in chrome.
That is one of the problems one runs in to with watching live video off of websites run by TV networks. Their sites are set up to be used by Windows users, almost as if everyone uses Windows (or has access to a machine that runs Windows). They often use, or require the latest version of some Windows created player software. The Linux versions often lag behind and you find you can't see their video.
The same thought also occurred to me. My Iceweasel has flashplayer 11.2.202.401; whereas the chrome version I downloaded has 18.0.0.209. Adobe is no longer providing upgrades to flashplayer for linux -- only security fixes to version 11.2.202.
What we need now is an open source equivalent of the latest flashplayer along with something like the default user agent, which fools websites into believing the user has MSIE, to fool sites into believing that the user has the latest version of Adobe flashplayer. In the absence of an open source equivalent to flashplayer the usefulness of Iceweasel, and probably Firefox as well, is compromised.
I had that happen on a site showing Olympics coverage where I needed to use Moonlight(?) which was the Linux equivalent of the Windows specific plug-in needed to play the website video. The latest version of Moonlight wasn't able to play the video as you required the almost very latest version of Silverlight (IIRC).
I had the same problem during the Winter Olympics in Vancouver and Whistler. I never did get Silverlight to work effectively, as much I think caused by a slow internet connection as anything else. At the time I was in Thailand.
Regards, Ken
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2015-07-19 15:50, Bob Jonkman wrote:
Ken Heard wrote:
What we need now is an open source equivalent of the latest flashplayer
No, what we need is to educate the mass media outlets et. al. that free software exists that does not require them to spend $$$ on licenses for proprietary software that has been limiting their advertising reach to yet more eyeballs.
--Bob, who remains ever optimistic and naive.
Do you mean that there is an open source equivalent to flashplayer which the CBC could have used? Ken -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAlWsEokACgkQlNlJzOkJmTdqWgCfevh+2m5IFggKfc6kQsQhWoaO chsAn0EuGNheXdKLhJA5lY1YjHDBH1uJ =7Cz3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 19/07/15 05:11 PM, Ken Heard wrote:
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On 2015-07-19 15:50, Bob Jonkman wrote:
What we need now is an open source equivalent of the latest flashplayer No, what we need is to educate the mass media outlets et. al. that free software exists that does not require them to spend $$$ on
Ken Heard wrote: licenses for proprietary software that has been limiting their advertising reach to yet more eyeballs.
--Bob, who remains ever optimistic and naive. Do you mean that there is an open source equivalent to flashplayer which the CBC could have used?
They could use HTML5 video <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5_video>. I did a fresh install of Fedora 21 recently and didn't bother to install the Flash player so I have no Flash support in Firefox. I can watch YouTube videos perfectly well. Vimeo is also fine. Facebook video isn't and many web sites still cling to Flash. For those, the embedded Flash player in Chrome works fine. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay +1 647-778-8696
On 19/07/15 05:11 PM, Ken Heard wrote:
On 2015-07-19 15:50, Bob Jonkman wrote:
Ken Heard wrote:
What we need now is an open source equivalent of the latest flashplayer
No, what we need is to educate the mass media outlets et. al. that free software exists that does not require them to spend $$$ on licenses for proprietary software that has been limiting their advertising reach to yet more eyeballs.
--Bob, who remains ever optimistic and naive.
Do you mean that there is an open source equivalent to flashplayer which the CBC could have used?
1) HTML5 video 2) The streams don't work with Gnash either (a free software Flash player/plugin) =\
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Kevin Cozens <kevin@ve3syb.ca> wrote:
On 15-07-19 11:46 AM, Aruna Hewapathirane wrote:>> <snip>
Ken wrote:
 The question of why I could not use Ice-weasel for that purpose however remains.
it shows me Adobe Flash Player*Â -Â Version:Â 16.0.0.305** Shockwave Flash 16.0 r0*
So am guessing Ice-weasel is unable to play the stream due to the flash version not being the very latest as in chrome.
That is one of the problems one runs in to with watching live video off of websites run by TV networks. Their sites are set up to be used by Windows users, almost as if everyone uses Windows (or has access to a machine that runs Windows). They often use, or require the latest version of some Windows created player software. The Linux versions often lag behind and you find you can't see their video.
It's about two bits of functionality that are available in anything approaching current versions of Flash, that aren't available in the ancient, orphaned version for Linux. 1. DRM - right-click on a player showing a stream from one of these major sporting events (panam, olympics) and you'll see that the Flash player has loaded a plethora of DRM plugins. 2. Adaptive streaming - it'll automatically pick the highest quality stream your connection supports and automatically renegotiate with the server (no manual choosing of image quality like on Youtube). I wouldn't be surprised if support for newer and more efficient codecs were also available, but I've never bothered checking. Adobe abandoned Linux as a platform many years ago. Google still ports current versions of Flash to Linux, with all the bells and whistles, but that requires the use of the proprietary Google Chrome browser.
I had that happen on a site showing Olympics coverage where I needed to use Moonlight(?) which was the Linux equivalent of the Windows specific plug-in needed to play the website video. The latest version of Moonlight wasn't able to play the video as you required the almost very latest version of Silverlight (IIRC).
Yes that was lousy - I think that was Vancouver. The last Olympics used Flash, which worked just fine on Linux thanks to Google but still required proprietary software.
Andrej Marjan a écrit profondement: | On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Kevin Cozens <kevin@ve3syb.ca> wrote:
| > On 15-07-19 11:46 AM, Aruna Hewapathirane wrote:>> <snip> | > >> Ken wrote: | > >> | > >> Â The question of why I could not use Ice-weasel for that purpose | > >> however remains. | > >> I don't know about Ice Weasel, but, and I always said this was a last ditch resort, you might try Algarveservers site. Allsports-->Other is probably your best bet. There are a lot of popups to navigate, none of them mine, but with some experimentation, the game, race, whatever can be watched even if not in the language of your choice There's 4 hours of Pan-Am starting 20:00hrs Lisbon/London/Dublin time tonight if you want to test. The site is heavily slanted to Bicycle racing, but everything else is available too via one or more of the urls listed below. Make sure you have the latest flash, although many sites are not using it. -- Slackrat <http://algarveservers.com/sportsite/> <http://inconnu.freeshell.org/sportsite> <http://bellacanela.com>
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