ftp helper app, and how to screenshot on Ubuntu 21.04?
Hi - so browsers don't support ftp:// links any more <https://www.somagnews.com/mozilla-firefox-drops-support-for-ftp/>, and I was wondering what people used as a drop-in app? I'd prefer if it weren't Filezilla, as that thing was a bug-ridden mess of spyware last time I looked at it. Most of the very old computer documentation I use lives on FTP sites, and this change came out of nowhere. Also, my go-to screenshot thingy /*scrot*/ no longer works on Ubuntu 21.04: it gives me this: X Error of failed request: BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter) Major opcode of failed request: 14 (X_GetGeometry) Resource id in failed request: 0x0 Serial number of failed request: 8 Current serial number in output stream: 8 My keyboard doesn't have a PrtSc key so I can't use any of the built-in screenshot tools. Is this a Wayland thing? I thought Wayland was supposed to be compatible with X? cheers, Stewart
Hi Stewart, Not that I actively use ftp, but all of the Norton Commander-like file managers that I use still have FTP support. Krusader for example, Also a more classic and very much TUI implementation of the same interface -- Midnight commander, has FTP support Alex. On 2021-06-04 5:42 p.m., Stewart C. Russell via talk wrote:
Hi - so browsers don't support ftp:// links any more <https://www.somagnews.com/mozilla-firefox-drops-support-for-ftp/>, and I was wondering what people used as a drop-in app? I'd prefer if it weren't Filezilla, as that thing was a bug-ridden mess of spyware last time I looked at it. Most of the very old computer documentation I use lives on FTP sites, and this change came out of nowhere.
Also, my go-to screenshot thingy /*scrot*/ no longer works on Ubuntu 21.04: it gives me this:
X Error of failed request: BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter) Major opcode of failed request: 14 (X_GetGeometry) Resource id in failed request: 0x0 Serial number of failed request: 8 Current serial number in output stream: 8
My keyboard doesn't have a PrtSc key so I can't use any of the built-in screenshot tools. Is this a Wayland thing? I thought Wayland was supposed to be compatible with X?
cheers,
Stewart
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On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 17:42:05 -0400 "Stewart C. Russell via talk" <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Also, my go-to screenshot thingy /*scrot*/ no longer works on Ubuntu 21.04: it gives me this:
X Error of failed request: BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter) Major opcode of failed request: 14 (X_GetGeometry) Resource id in failed request: 0x0 Serial number of failed request: 8 Current serial number in output stream: 8
Stewart, I always use GIMP for screen and window captures. It never occurred to me there was another way. -- Howard Gibson hgibson@eol.ca jhowardgibson@gmail.com http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson
also it seems this upgrade has borked xclip, which is a can't-live-without Did anyone think Wayland was a good idea? A desktop without a working clipboard?? And by working, I mean "the way it always did before" Stewart
On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 at 19:28, Stewart C. Russell via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
also it seems this upgrade has borked xclip, which is a can't-live-without
Did anyone think Wayland was a good idea? A desktop without a working clipboard?? And by working, I mean "the way it always did before"
When change makes things better, we love it. When it interferes with the way we work, we hate it. But the reality is that Linux has to evolve. And you can either learn how to rewrite 'xclip' yourself or find a replacement if it doesn't work anymore. That's the wonder and horror of open source. Yes, Wayland is causing a lot of grief. But go talk to Scott about it sometime: he's got me convinced that it's a very good idea ... we just have to struggle through the rough spots. In other news: I really liked 'scrot' too. I've switched to 'flameshot', which is a radically different tool. It's graphical and much more flexible - it may or may not work for you. -- Giles https://www.gilesorr.com/ gilesorr@gmail.com
On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 12:31 PM Giles Orr via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 at 19:28, Stewart C. Russell via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
also it seems this upgrade has borked xclip, which is a can't-live-without
Did anyone think Wayland was a good idea? A desktop without a working clipboard?? And by working, I mean "the way it always did before"
When change makes things better, we love it. When it interferes with the way we work, we hate it. But the reality is that Linux has to evolve. And you can either learn how to rewrite 'xclip' yourself or find a replacement if it doesn't work anymore. That's the wonder and horror of open source. Yes, Wayland is causing a lot of grief. But go talk to Scott about it sometime: he's got me convinced that it's a very good idea ... we just have to struggle through the rough spots.
Hmmmmmm - - - - well - - - - I've been running a multi-gpu system since early 2012. Initially I ran the nvidia proprietary drivers and SLI. Later I switched to nouveau. For 4 monitors that worked not too bad. Then I needed to replace a gpu. Then decided to add a 4k monitor. The 5th monitor has really shown a lot of cracks in the underlying systems. It seems that HDMI code is not where it needs to be. I got tired of graphics subsystem freezes so I am presently not using the 5th monitor. I had tried nvidia's proprietary code - - - - except its now adamantly anti multi-gpu so there is this wonderful hole that seems to be quite ignored by the dev community. I've had many ask why I would want all that screen real estate - - - - I wouldn't want to work without it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wayland - - - - no way even close to allowing such (multi-gpu + multi-monitor) - - - - so - - - from me it gets a shrug - - - - I've got enough issues without trying to pummel Wayland into something useful. I understand that Xorg is severely pooh poohed - - - still works better than any of the alternatives - - - - - wish it handled multi-lingual better than it does. Regards
| From: Stewart C. Russell via talk <talk@gtalug.org> | Hi - so browsers don't support ftp:// links any more | <https://www.somagnews.com/mozilla-firefox-drops-support-for-ftp/>, I knew that was coming. I didn't understand the reason. But the release notes surely have a rationale. FTP-through-NAT, especially through firewalls, is a real hack. FTP has no built-in authentication or encryption. | and | I was wondering what people used as a drop-in app? CLI all the way! I've always used wget(1). With the -N flag. - this gets me a copy: I always worry that archives go away. - this gets me the timestamp. I find timestamps very useful for archived material. | this change came out of nowhere. I understand that this happened some time ago with Chrom*. (I don't use them much.) | Also, my go-to screenshot thingy /*scrot*/ no longer works on Ubuntu | 21.04: gnome-screenshot AKA ScreenShot should work. On Fedora, I type: "Windows-key" to show activities "s c r e" into the search box. ScreenShot should be its first suggestion "ENTER" to run that suggestion. I hope that description is less painful to decode than it was to encode. | My keyboard doesn't have a PrtSc key so I can't use any of the built-in | screenshot tools. I bet you could map this function onto something else on your keyboard. I've not done it. | Is this a Wayland thing? I thought Wayland was | supposed to be compatible with X? Compatible for X applications. Not users. I'm a moderately pliable and undemanding user. Wayland is fine for me. My desktop is another matter. It has an nvidia card. Old enough that nouveau supports it. But the few times I've tried nouveau, it misbehaved. So I use the proprietary driver. It doesn't get along with Wayland. So I'm still on X. All my many other devices run Wayland. Except possibly the laptop with an nvidia GPU.
For screenshots I use flameshot, I am using RedHat but I believe it should be a package for Ubuntu. I used Shutter before that for a long time, and ended up building it on RedHat because it was deprecated, but now the build process is painful and Flameshot fits the bill. If you have imagemagick, import can screenshot for you. Pop up a terminal, run sleep 1 ; import -window root /tmp/whatever.png , minimize the terminal and done. I use it for my still work in progress home-made workday logging tool. I capture the screen every minute, use imagemagick compare to quantify how much the window changed since the last time, and if it changed it will screenshot it, save to a capture directory, run tesseract on it, and index on elasticsearch. And I wrote a small PHP script to search on those archives. It's on https://github.com/thoriumbr/SuperBusca if someone is interested. It runs on a container, so it should not pollute your system if you just want to test. For FTP I use Filezilla, but some people like gFTP, or you can use Nautilus, it has FTP capability. Mauro https://www.maurosouza.com - registered Linux User: 294521 Scripture is both history, and a love letter from God. Em sáb., 5 de jun. de 2021 às 11:50, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk < talk@gtalug.org> escreveu:
| From: Stewart C. Russell via talk <talk@gtalug.org>
| Hi - so browsers don't support ftp:// links any more | <https://www.somagnews.com/mozilla-firefox-drops-support-for-ftp/>,
I knew that was coming. I didn't understand the reason. But the release notes surely have a rationale.
FTP-through-NAT, especially through firewalls, is a real hack.
FTP has no built-in authentication or encryption.
| and | I was wondering what people used as a drop-in app?
CLI all the way! I've always used wget(1). With the -N flag.
- this gets me a copy: I always worry that archives go away.
- this gets me the timestamp. I find timestamps very useful for archived material.
| this change came out of nowhere.
I understand that this happened some time ago with Chrom*. (I don't use them much.)
| Also, my go-to screenshot thingy /*scrot*/ no longer works on Ubuntu | 21.04:
gnome-screenshot AKA ScreenShot should work.
On Fedora, I type:
"Windows-key" to show activities
"s c r e" into the search box. ScreenShot should be its first suggestion
"ENTER" to run that suggestion.
I hope that description is less painful to decode than it was to encode.
| My keyboard doesn't have a PrtSc key so I can't use any of the built-in | screenshot tools.
I bet you could map this function onto something else on your keyboard. I've not done it.
| Is this a Wayland thing? I thought Wayland was | supposed to be compatible with X?
Compatible for X applications. Not users.
I'm a moderately pliable and undemanding user. Wayland is fine for me.
My desktop is another matter. It has an nvidia card. Old enough that nouveau supports it. But the few times I've tried nouveau, it misbehaved. So I use the proprietary driver. It doesn't get along with Wayland. So I'm still on X.
All my many other devices run Wayland. Except possibly the laptop with an nvidia GPU. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Thanks for all the responses. I've mostly got things working, but Hugh's comment about Wayland being “[c]ompatible for X applications. Not users” rings true. It's a horrid thing to dump on users, suddenly finding that Ctrl-X,C,V no longer work, and familiar apps fail silently. The main (and most annoying, because it was blocking a password manager and bank logins I had to do in a hurry) culprit was Firefox. In order for copy and paste to work, it seems you have to set MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 Very oddly, xclip still works. It probably shouldn't. I'm glad it does, as I've based pbcopy/pbpaste clones (they're a mac thing) on top of it and they get heavy, heavy usage. For screenshotting, Gnome Screenshot seems to be what I have to use. Can't seem to find something for the command line: * ImageMagick's import (thanks for the suggestion, Mario) doesn't work with Wayland: "unable to read X window image `root': Resource temporarily unavailable" * Wayland's own command line screenshot tool 'grim' doesn't work either: "wl_registry@2: error 0: invalid version for global wl_output (4): have 2, wanted 3 ... compositor doesn't support wlr-screencopy-unstable-v1". This is coming on for Windows Quality Software usefulness. I'm also making heavier use of Firefox's Take Screenshot browser action: hit Ctrl + Shift + S on (almost) any page, and you can save the visible area, the whole page, or even a block element and it'll copy or save as you wish. Having a huge block with desktop sharing: VNC doesn't seem to have access to the screen at all any more. A pain, because VNC is how I access most of my remote machines. "ssh -X" is lumpy and painfully slow under Wayland. I'm having seemingly random Gnome apps needing GDK_BACKEND=x11 or else they'll core dump. But this doesn't happen too often. I realize a small amount of change is necessary in every upgrade: hey, I'm still on team "Mouse-over to focus is best, fight me" from my Sun days, but that was something we lost more than a decade ago. But for me, this is an equivalent UX change of "alias emacs=vi", and I thought Linux didn't do open user hostility any more. cheers, Stewart
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