[GTALUG-Announce] Meeting on Tuesday at 7:30pm
<http://gtalug.org/meeting/2016-05/> # Round Table Q&A Session A Round Table Q&A Session is where we take questions from the audience, and the audience discusses and attempts to answer those questions from their own knowledge. It's a great way to meet fellow members of our community and discover the skill sets we each bring to the table. ## Location George Vari Engineering and Computing Centre 245 Church Street, Room 203 Ryerson University <http://goo.gl/maps/16oJ2> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/23447525> ## Schedule * 6:00 pm - Please discuss on the general mailing list (i.e. <talk@gtalug.org>) where you want to go for dinner. * 7:30 pm - Meeting and presentation. * 9:00 pm - After each meeting a group of GTALUGers move to the The Imperial Pub (54 Dundas St East) for refreshments and more socializing. # Code of Conduct We want a productive happy community that can welcome new ideas, improve every process every year, and foster collaboration between individuals with differing needs, interests and skills. We gain strength from diversity, and actively seek participation from those who enhance it. This code of conduct exists to ensure that diverse groups collaborate to mutual advantage and enjoyment. We will challenge prejudice that could jeopardize the participation of any person in the community. The Code of Conduct governs how we behave in public or in private whenever the Linux community will be judged by our actions. We expect it to be honored by everyone who represents the community officially or informally, claims affiliation, or participates directly. It applies to activities online or offline. We invite anybody to participate. Our community is open. Please read more about the GTALUG Code of Conduct here: <http://gtalug.org/about/code-of-conduct/>. If you have any questions, comments, or concerns about the GTALUG Code of Conduct please contact the GTALUG Board @ <board@gtalug.org>. --- GTALUG Announce mailing list announce@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/announce
We should pose interesting questions here. For example, this week I'm interested in ways finding "hidden" calls in Java, from reflection. I hope to remover a huge wodge of dead code, but some of it is secretly still alive courtesy of cron jobs that call stuff. Sort of necromancy... --dave On 05/05/16 09:14 AM, Myles Braithwaite wrote:
<http://gtalug.org/meeting/2016-05/>
# Round Table Q&A Session
A Round Table Q&A Session is where we take questions from the audience, and the audience discusses and attempts to answer those questions from their own knowledge. It's a great way to meet fellow members of our community and discover the skill sets we each bring to the table.
## Location
George Vari Engineering and Computing Centre 245 Church Street, Room 203 Ryerson University
<http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/23447525>
## Schedule
* 6:00 pm - Please discuss on the general mailing list (i.e. <talk@gtalug.org>) where you want to go for dinner. * 7:30 pm - Meeting and presentation. * 9:00 pm - After each meeting a group of GTALUGers move to the The Imperial Pub (54 Dundas St East) for refreshments and more socializing.
# Code of Conduct
We want a productive happy community that can welcome new ideas, improve every process every year, and foster collaboration between individuals with differing needs, interests and skills.
We gain strength from diversity, and actively seek participation from those who enhance it. This code of conduct exists to ensure that diverse groups collaborate to mutual advantage and enjoyment. We will challenge prejudice that could jeopardize the participation of any person in the community.
The Code of Conduct governs how we behave in public or in private whenever the Linux community will be judged by our actions. We expect it to be honored by everyone who represents the community officially or informally, claims affiliation, or participates directly. It applies to activities online or offline.
We invite anybody to participate. Our community is open.
Please read more about the GTALUG Code of Conduct here: <http://gtalug.org/about/code-of-conduct/>.
If you have any questions, comments, or concerns about the GTALUG Code of Conduct please contact the GTALUG Board @ <board@gtalug.org>. --- GTALUG Announce mailing list announce@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/announce --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
-- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest davecb@spamcop.net | -- Mark Twain
On 5 May 2016 at 09:54, David Collier-Brown <davec-b@rogers.com> wrote:
We should pose interesting questions here.
That's a pretty good idea. I'll throw one out... We've had some issues with handling email coming from Yahoo! that seems to relate to some anti-spam mechanisms. I am aware of colleagues that used to use Yahoo! for their mail that have switched to other mail services as consequence of (seeming relevant) changes in DMARC policies. A relevant pointer: < http://postgresql.nabble.com/New-email-address-td5874833.html> Now, what I'd been hearing was *last* year's news. After the dust clouds have settled a bit, what's up these days with "Yahoo vs mailing lists?" -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?"
On Thu, May 05, 2016 at 06:22:12PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote:
We've had some issues with handling email coming from Yahoo! that seems to relate to some anti-spam mechanisms.
I am aware of colleagues that used to use Yahoo! for their mail that have switched to other mail services as consequence of (seeming relevant) changes in DMARC policies.
A relevant pointer: < http://postgresql.nabble.com/New-email-address-td5874833.html>
Now, what I'd been hearing was *last* year's news. After the dust clouds have settled a bit, what's up these days with "Yahoo vs mailing lists?"
Well yahoo pretty much says "Fuck up your mailing list settings or don't allow @yahoo.com users to post to your list anymore": https://yahoomail.tumblr.com/post/82426900353/yahoo-dmarc-policy-change-what... They want the mailing list to set the From field to be the mailing list rather than the actual sender. I guess they have decided technical users who are posting on mailing lists don't use @yahoo.com anyhow, so they don't care. Or at least not enough of them do for it to be important. -- Len Sorensen
On 05/05/2016 07:16 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
On Thu, May 05, 2016 at 06:22:12PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote:
We've had some issues with handling email coming from Yahoo! that seems to relate to some anti-spam mechanisms.
I am aware of colleagues that used to use Yahoo! for their mail that have switched to other mail services as consequence of (seeming relevant) changes in DMARC policies.
A relevant pointer: < http://postgresql.nabble.com/New-email-address-td5874833.html>
Now, what I'd been hearing was *last* year's news. After the dust clouds have settled a bit, what's up these days with "Yahoo vs mailing lists?" Well yahoo pretty much says "Fuck up your mailing list settings or don't allow @yahoo.com users to post to your list anymore": https://yahoomail.tumblr.com/post/82426900353/yahoo-dmarc-policy-change-what...
They want the mailing list to set the From field to be the mailing list rather than the actual sender.
I guess they have decided technical users who are posting on mailing lists don't use @yahoo.com anyhow, so they don't care. Or at least not enough of them do for it to be important.
If as a sending domain owner you set your SPF and DKIM/DMARC settings to stop people from masquerading as your site then you will have side effect of stopping any mail lists that send messages as if they were from the poster. Once upon a time mail was a nice friendly service where people ran open relays and there was no problems. Spammers have incrementally forced mail operators to add tighter and tighter controls to keep their heads above water. It may be that the next mail service to die will be mail lists. I am in the process of clamping down on all messages so that any mail stamped as from a domain that I manage should get rejected by as many sites as possible if the message is not from my server. -- Alvin Starr || voice: (905)513-7688 Netvel Inc. || Cell: (416)806-0133 alvin@netvel.net ||
On Thursday, May 5, 2016, Christopher Browne <cbbrowne@gmail.com> wrote:
We've had some issues with handling email coming from Yahoo! that seems to relate to some anti-spam mechanisms.
Hopefully someone will find this interesting. I solved **The Great Unsubscribe Event of 2016** by adding ALLOW_FROM_IS_LIST = Yes the penguin's mm_cfg.py file. It's a new option available in Mailman version 2.1.16 that doesn't require that annoying Reply-To workaround. You can read more over on Mailman's documentation: < https://wiki.list.org/DOC/What%20can%20I%20do%20about%20members%20being%20unsubscribed%20by%20bounces%20of%20Yahoo%20user's%20posts%20for%20DMARC%20policy%20reasons%3F> (sorry that links probably not going to work as it's impossible to share with all those spaces). I also subscribe to the mailing list with my Yahoo email address so I can prevent this stuff faster. -- Myles Braithwaite | http://mylesb.ca/e
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Alvin Starr -
Christopher Browne -
David Collier-Brown -
Lennart Sorensen -
Myles Braithwaite