Firefox memory usage (was GTALUG Meeting on Tuesday 10 October at 7:30pm)
o1bigtenor via talk wrote:
Am a serious browser user - - - in the past have had up to 18 windows open and from 3 to 50+ tabs on any one window. There isn't a browser out there that can handle that kind of usage especially NOT FF! ( I have north of 20 GB of RAM plus a system to match so its really not a resources issue). The issue is that browsers are quite memory wasteful and somehow can't use ram neatly. When can we expect the present malaise to change - - - - 2030?
Maybe his response to my comment/question could be transmitted back - - - please?
Yes I've tried using the 'help' section but dev types don't seem to ever read anything there.
Resource usage in web browsers depend on a given web site. The greatest example is The Verge[0] a technology blog that requires 274 HTTP requests and 3.0 MB of data[1]. According to the Firefox extension Tab Data[2] on first load that take ~30MB of RAM and comes down to ~17MB after all the requests get processed. Interesting side note this article[3] can use anywhere from 40MB to 100MB of RAM. Browser developers build better optimized browsers while web developers make heavy web pages which use up all the resources (usually with ads). Extensions also take out a lot of memory as while, checkout about:memory. Though your question is warranted, it's not really appropriate as it will result a bunch of questions from the speaker (i.e. what web sites are you visiting, how many extensions are you using, what's your internet connection, etc). [0]: <https://www.theverge.com/> [1]: <https://tools.pingdom.com/#!/dbE4hE/https://www.theverge.com/> [2]: <https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tab-data/> [3]: <https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/29/16387706/wonder-woman-batman-dc-expanded-cinematic-universe-warner-bros-standalone>
On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Myles Braithwaite 👾 <me@mylesb.ca> wrote:
o1bigtenor via talk wrote:
Am a serious browser user - - - in the past have had up to 18 windows open and from 3 to 50+ tabs on any one window. There isn't a browser out there that can handle that kind of usage especially NOT FF! ( I have north of 20 GB of RAM plus a system to match so its really not a resources issue). The issue is that browsers are quite memory wasteful and somehow can't use ram neatly. When can we expect the present malaise to change - - - - 2030?
Maybe his response to my comment/question could be transmitted back - - - please?
Yes I've tried using the 'help' section but dev types don't seem to ever read anything there.
Resource usage in web browsers depend on a given web site. The greatest example is The Verge[0] a technology blog that requires 274 HTTP requests and 3.0 MB of data[1]. According to the Firefox extension Tab Data[2] on first load that take ~30MB of RAM and comes down to ~17MB after all the requests get processed. Interesting side note this article[3] can use anywhere from 40MB to 100MB of RAM.
Browser developers build better optimized browsers while web developers make heavy web pages which use up all the resources (usually with ads).
Extensions also take out a lot of memory as while, checkout about:memory.
Though your question is warranted, it's not really appropriate as it will result a bunch of questions from the speaker (i.e. what web sites are you visiting, how many extensions are you using, what's your internet connection, etc).
[0]: <https://www.theverge.com/> [1]: <https://tools.pingdom.com/#!/dbE4hE/https://www.theverge.com/> [2]: <https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tab-data/> [3]: <https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/29/16387706/wonder- woman-batman-dc-expanded-cinematic-universe-warner-bros-standalone>
OK - - - -what you're saying is that 'its the customers fault'. That I'm visiting websites that just use too many resources. Except - - - I don't run flash (haven't for a number of years in fact) and the longevity of a browser is minimal. (Where I go is very much business related and my business stuff is mostly related to computer information relating to my business projects and business information - - often from governmental agencies and I don't think that they generally generate web pages like the one you referred to above.) By that I mean that after a few days the best way to get through put out of the miserable POS is to kill it and then restart. That process feels quite a bit like M$ where when the system gets 'used' something hangs and the best solution is to reinstall. As a logic system that is, to put it quite bluntly, unacceptable. If software can't handle the functions being asked of it - - - well that software needs changing. As browsers as a group seem to be at very least somewhat infected with this malaise (and FF hugely so) its time for changes. Methought it would be useful to find out from someone who might actually know something about the internals and their present and proposed development - - - but of course 'the emperor has no clothes' !! Regards Dee
On 2017-10-01 06:58 AM, o1bigtenor via talk wrote:
Resource usage in web browsers depend on a given web site. The greatest example is The Verge[0] a technology blog that requires 274 HTTP requests and 3.0 MB of data[1]. According to the Firefox extension Tab Data[2] on first load that take ~30MB of RAM and comes down to ~17MB after all the requests get processed. Interesting side note this article[3] can use anywhere from 40MB to 100MB of RAM.
Browser developers build better optimized browsers while web developers make heavy web pages which use up all the resources (usually with ads).
Extensions also take out a lot of memory as while, checkout about:memory.
Though your question is warranted, it's not really appropriate as it will result a bunch of questions from the speaker (i.e. what web sites are you visiting, how many extensions are you using, what's your internet connection, etc).
OK - - - -what you're saying is that 'its the customers fault'. That I'm visiting websites that just use too many resources.
Except - - - I don't run flash (haven't for a number of years in fact) and the longevity of a browser is minimal. (Where I go is very much business related and my business stuff is mostly related to computer information relating to my business projects and business information - - often from governmental agencies and I don't think that they generally generate web pages like the one you referred to above.) By that I mean that after a few days the best way to get through put out of the miserable POS is to kill it and then restart. That process feels quite a bit like M$ where when the system gets 'used' something hangs and the best solution is to reinstall. As a logic system that is, to put it quite bluntly, unacceptable.
Give Firefox 57 (beta or nightly builds)[1] a shot. I've been running nightly for a few months now with no issues. Just as stable as 52 and older releases, but exponentially faster. I'm not the only one who thinks so[2]. Cheers, Jamon [1] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/quantum/ [2] https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/29/its-time-to-give-firefox-another-chance/
two word solution : tab hibernation. vivaldi, chrome and ff all have different solutions, but as i do, with many tabs open 60+, if you don't TH your screwed. With "great suspender" on chrome, you can custom set up the hibernation, it works insanely well. Vivaldi works well out of box with its hibernation, ff i am not sure about, I use it for certain things so I will have to research what they offer for TH. But directly to your point, Chrome with GS handles your set up and even 10x more! with out even breaking a sweat, and uses about the memory required by just the non suspend tabs. I do 60+ tabs on 3 GB ram (vmguest 1-2 cpu assignment) no issue. -tl On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 6:58 AM, o1bigtenor via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Myles Braithwaite 👾 <me@mylesb.ca> wrote:
o1bigtenor via talk wrote:
Am a serious browser user - - - in the past have had up to 18 windows open and from 3 to 50+ tabs on any one window. There isn't a browser out there that can handle that kind of usage especially NOT FF! ( I have north of 20 GB of RAM plus a system to match so its really not a resources issue). The issue is that browsers are quite memory wasteful and somehow can't use ram neatly. When can we expect the present malaise to change - - - - 2030?
Maybe his response to my comment/question could be transmitted back - - - please?
Yes I've tried using the 'help' section but dev types don't seem to ever read anything there.
Resource usage in web browsers depend on a given web site. The greatest example is The Verge[0] a technology blog that requires 274 HTTP requests and 3.0 MB of data[1]. According to the Firefox extension Tab Data[2] on first load that take ~30MB of RAM and comes down to ~17MB after all the requests get processed. Interesting side note this article[3] can use anywhere from 40MB to 100MB of RAM.
Browser developers build better optimized browsers while web developers make heavy web pages which use up all the resources (usually with ads).
Extensions also take out a lot of memory as while, checkout about:memory.
Though your question is warranted, it's not really appropriate as it will result a bunch of questions from the speaker (i.e. what web sites are you visiting, how many extensions are you using, what's your internet connection, etc).
[0]: <https://www.theverge.com/> [1]: <https://tools.pingdom.com/#!/dbE4hE/https://www.theverge.com/> [2]: <https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tab-data/> [3]: <https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/29/16387706/wonder-woman- batman-dc-expanded-cinematic-universe-warner-bros-standalone>
OK - - - -what you're saying is that 'its the customers fault'. That I'm visiting websites that just use too many resources.
Except - - - I don't run flash (haven't for a number of years in fact) and the longevity of a browser is minimal. (Where I go is very much business related and my business stuff is mostly related to computer information relating to my business projects and business information - - often from governmental agencies and I don't think that they generally generate web pages like the one you referred to above.) By that I mean that after a few days the best way to get through put out of the miserable POS is to kill it and then restart. That process feels quite a bit like M$ where when the system gets 'used' something hangs and the best solution is to reinstall. As a logic system that is, to put it quite bluntly, unacceptable.
If software can't handle the functions being asked of it - - - well that software needs changing. As browsers as a group seem to be at very least somewhat infected with this malaise (and FF hugely so) its time for changes. Methought it would be useful to find out from someone who might actually know something about the internals and their present and proposed development - - - but of course 'the emperor has no clothes' !!
Regards
Dee
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two word solution : tab hibernation. vivaldi, chrome and ff all have different solutions, but as i do, with many tabs open 60+, if you don't TH your screwed. With "great suspender" on chrome, you can custom set up the hibernation, it works insanely well. Vivaldi works well out of box with its hibernation, ff i am not sure about, I use it for certain things so I will have to research what they offer for TH. But directly to your point, Chrome with GS handles your set up and even 10x more! with out even breaking a sweat, and uses about the memory required by just the non suspend tabs. I do 60+ tabs on 3 GB ram (vmguest 1-2 cpu assignment) no issue.
Interesting points - - - but - - - - when I ran into trouble the one time, FF crashed, I think I was at 22 windows and something like 350 tabs so even 60+ isn't reassurance. Secondly I decided I didn't want the Alphabet (soup) company sticking my nose in my business and trying to soak other suckers for advertising revenue. I was looking for specific kind of product and spent about 15 or maybe it was even 20 hours of time trying to find it. I
On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 2:56 PM, ted leslie <ted.leslie@gmail.com> wrote: tried searches using every kind of permutation I could think of using ms. google, I tried phone calls to local in the same generic class of item suppliers, I used what used to be the american equivalent to Frazers (a huge 15, or more, volume set of books of suppliers with addresses and line cards and and and) online search engine. Well I know the product exists - - - saw it on a number of different manufacturers products in Europe - - - the worst was getting ads on the wrong stuff attached to everything I was looking at - - - my email (gmail accounts!), weather information, any other products I was searching for - - - so I decided I just don't want to be tracked anymore. Chrome is part of the alphabet soup companies empire so the second point is that I don't want to be tracked at 'everything' I'm doing. So even if Chromium (AIUI Chrome only works on M$ systems) were perfect - - - I would have a very difficult time using it - - - but its not perfect - - - I did try it at about version 36 to 39 or thereabouts - - - and it was as much a dog at allowing web searches - - - in fact it crashed with far fewer tabs and windows. Regards Dee
I hear yeah, I will be trying to get FF to work as well as vivaldi and chrome+GS for tab suspend/hibernate, will post what i find. I have had probably 200+ tabs, for all I know hibernation/suspend could handle many 1000's tabs, i will try for kicks. Technically it saves very little for each tab once hibernated. I have a work flow for having many stackoverflow (or similar) pages up, need for few days, then reduce them down to bookmarks if interested, or dump (most of) them. "Chromium (AIUI Chrome only works on M$ systems) were perfect ", I don't understand this statement. Rarely get crashes, and when do , usually restart says, shutdown incorrect, here are your tabs if you want. (viv, chrome, ff, all seem to do this). -tl On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 5:40 PM, o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 2:56 PM, ted leslie <ted.leslie@gmail.com> wrote: > >> two word solution : tab hibernation. vivaldi, chrome and ff all have >> different solutions, but as i do, with many tabs open 60+, if you don't TH >> your screwed. >> With "great suspender" on chrome, you can custom set up the hibernation, >> it works insanely well. Vivaldi works well out of box with its hibernation, >> ff i am not sure about, >> I use it for certain things so I will have to research what they offer >> for TH. >> But directly to your point, Chrome with GS handles your set up and even >> 10x more! with out even breaking a sweat, and uses about the memory >> required by just the non suspend tabs. I do 60+ tabs on 3 GB ram (vmguest >> 1-2 cpu assignment) no issue. >> >> Interesting points - - - but - - - - when I ran into trouble the one > time, FF crashed, I think I was at 22 windows and something like 350 tabs > so even 60+ isn't reassurance. Secondly I decided I didn't want the > Alphabet (soup) company sticking my nose in my business and trying to soak > other suckers for advertising revenue. I was looking for specific kind of > product and spent about 15 or maybe it was even 20 hours of time trying to > find it. I tried searches using every kind of permutation I could think of > using ms. google, I tried phone calls to local in the same generic class of > item suppliers, I used what used to be the american equivalent to Frazers > (a huge 15, or more, volume set of books of suppliers with addresses and > line cards and and and) online search engine. Well I know the product > exists - - - saw it on a number of different manufacturers products in > Europe - - - the worst was getting ads on the wrong stuff attached to > everything I was looking at - - - my email (gmail accounts!), weather > information, any other products I was searching for - - - so I decided I > just don't want to be tracked anymore. Chrome is part of the alphabet soup > companies empire so the second point is that I don't want to be tracked at > 'everything' I'm doing. So even if Chromium (AIUI Chrome only works on M$ > systems) were perfect - - - I would have a very difficult time using it - - > - but its not perfect - - - I did try it at about version 36 to 39 or > thereabouts - - - and it was as much a dog at allowing web searches - - - > in fact it crashed with far fewer tabs and windows. > > > Regards > > Dee >
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Myles Braithwaite 👾 -
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ted leslie