Hi, Bell notified me that they will soon be shutting down my copper telephone service, no options. My DSL to TekSavvy will go with it. Joy. I run my own NAT/mail/vpn server firewall and I want to keep it. Apparently, others have been able connect to Bell by turning on PPPoE pass through on the Bell (HH4000) modem. Has anyone on the list gone this route? Is Bell still dreadful, even on fibre? Am I crazy to look at Rogers? PS: I pay ~$40/Mo for landline, which looks to increase to $52 after the change! Robbers! -- Michael Galea
Do I understand correctly that Bell notified that they are shutting down the copper line, which means no more TekSavvy DSL, and are replacing it with FTTH (Fibre to the home), hence your mention of HH4000? Yes, PPPoE pass through on HH4000 is a thing that works. You might need to call Bell tech support (good luck!) for them to toggle some "switch" to enable that. I've heard that from two separate people who are savvy enough, yet I see comments on Ubiquiti forums that this was on by default. YMMV. As much as I love TekSavvy as a company, I'd much prefer to be in your situation. I get very crappy DSL at my place and GPON would go a long way in making my life better.
On Nov 21, 2022, at 16:13, Michael Galea via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
Hi, Bell notified me that they will soon be shutting down my copper telephone service, no options. My DSL to TekSavvy will go with it. Joy.
I run my own NAT/mail/vpn server firewall and I want to keep it. Apparently, others have been able connect to Bell by turning on PPPoE pass through on the Bell (HH4000) modem.
Has anyone on the list gone this route? Is Bell still dreadful, even on fibre? Am I crazy to look at Rogers?
PS: I pay ~$40/Mo for landline, which looks to increase to $52 after the change! Robbers!
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Hey there, I run my own firewall and services via NAT on the big black Home Hub model, haven't had any issues since I first set it up over 2 years ago. I presume you'd be using dynamic DNS updates as well in case the router's Bell fibre is, as you may know, only as good as the path from your wall to the node, and their traffic shaping is just awful in any case (unless everything you do is via a big multinational corporation's platform, expect poor bandwidth). Basically par for the course in the kingdom of the big 3. Mike Holloway Sent from ProtonMail mobile -------- Original Message -------- On Nov. 21, 2022, 4:13 p.m., Michael Galea via talk wrote:
Hi, Bell notified me that they will soon be shutting down my copper telephone service, no options. My DSL to TekSavvy will go with it. Joy.
I run my own NAT/mail/vpn server firewall and I want to keep it. Apparently, others have been able connect to Bell by turning on PPPoE pass through on the Bell (HH4000) modem.
Has anyone on the list gone this route? Is Bell still dreadful, even on fibre? Am I crazy to look at Rogers?
PS: I pay ~$40/Mo for landline, which looks to increase to $52 after the change! Robbers!
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On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 04:13:28PM -0500, Michael Galea via talk wrote:
Hi, Bell notified me that they will soon be shutting down my copper telephone service, no options. My DSL to TekSavvy will go with it. Joy.
Have you contacted TekSavvy about it? They do provide service on a dry loop at no extra charge. That's how my TekSavvy DSL is setup. -- Tom Low-Shang 416 857 7013 https://twitch.tv/tomlowshang
On 2022-11-21 17:51, Tom Low-Shang via talk wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 04:13:28PM -0500, Michael Galea via talk wrote:
Hi, Bell notified me that they will soon be shutting down my copper telephone service, no options. My DSL to TekSavvy will go with it. Joy.
Have you contacted TekSavvy about it? They do provide service on a dry loop at no extra charge. That's how my TekSavvy DSL is setup.
I spoke to the sales guy at TekSavvy first. He asked "Are they going to remove the copper?", which I thought was ominous. I spoke to two Bell service reps and one said the copper would stay. The second went away to tech support (10 minutes!) and then said "Bell management was committed to a completely fibre based network". I crupt in to the technical support line and a tech confirmed the bad news, the copper is being yanked. PS: Thank you to Alex and Mike for confirming that I could run PPPoE through the Bell modem. PPS: Oddly enough, my daughter, a Globe and Mail reporter, is interviewing the head of the CRTC today. I wish she could ask him why I'm going to have to pay Bell double the cost of my TekSavvy Internet and what he expects TekSavvy to do when all the DSL and Cable is gone. -- Michael Galea
On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 5:35 PM Michael Galea via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On 2022-11-21 17:51, Tom Low-Shang via talk wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 04:13:28PM -0500, Michael Galea via talk wrote:
Hi, Bell notified me that they will soon be shutting down my copper telephone service, no options. My DSL to TekSavvy will go with it. Joy.
Have you contacted TekSavvy about it? They do provide service on a dry loop at no extra charge. That's how my TekSavvy DSL is setup.
I spoke to the sales guy at TekSavvy first. He asked "Are they going to remove the copper?", which I thought was ominous.
I spoke to two Bell service reps and one said the copper would stay. The second went away to tech support (10 minutes!) and then said "Bell management was committed to a completely fibre based network". I crupt in to the technical support line and a tech confirmed the bad news, the copper is being yanked.
Germany has gone to a 100% non-POTS system.
PS: Thank you to Alex and Mike for confirming that I could run PPPoE through the Bell modem.
PPS: Oddly enough, my daughter, a Globe and Mail reporter, is interviewing the head of the CRTC today. I wish she could ask him why I'm going to have to pay Bell double the cost of my TekSavvy Internet and what he expects TekSavvy to do when all the DSL and Cable is gone.
(Hopefully you won't be too insulted with a rhetorical question - - ) Do you really think Bell gives one rat's fart about anything than their profit? (Please note - - - service is somewhat similar(!!!) in their structure - - - yes I am now also a 'Bell' customer - - - so speaking from experience ;-( !! )
On 2022-11-21 18:57, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: [snip]
(Hopefully you won't be too insulted with a rhetorical question - - )
Do you really think Bell gives one rat's fart about anything than their profit?
(Please note - - - service is somewhat similar(!!!) in their structure - - - yes I am now also a 'Bell' customer - - - so speaking from experience ;-( !! )
The Bell directors have a legal responsibility to increase shareholder value. It is simple and there are no requirements for the company to be moral. If causing peoples deaths without breaking any laws increases the shareholder value then the company is obliged to make that choice. There is a reason you do not get out of the vehicle to pet the lion when your on that holiday. The lion is not evil, it just sees you as food and will rip your throat out and not feel bad. Companies are like that lion. -- Alvin Starr || land: (647)478-6285 Netvel Inc. || Cell: (416)806-0133 alvin@netvel.net ||
On 2022-11-21 18:35, Michael Galea via talk wrote:
the copper is being yanked.
If someone was still using copper for their telephone service (ie. they don't have a cell phone), what are they going to do for phone service? Is this being done by bell out in the country? Rogers is also forcing changes on customers whether you like it or not. A family member who lives in a condo is being forced to go with Ignite TV as Rogers is dropping the current TV service. Rogers is saying the TV adapter box only has HDMI output so if you have an older TV without HDMI customers in the building will have a problem. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ | "Nerds make the shiny things that https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and | that's why we're powerful" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | #include <disclaimer/favourite> | --Chris Hardwick
On 2022-11-21 19:13, Kevin Cozens via talk wrote:
On 2022-11-21 18:35, Michael Galea via talk wrote:
the copper is being yanked.
If someone was still using copper for their telephone service (ie. they don't have a cell phone), what are they going to do for phone service?
Is this being done by bell out in the country? Rogers is also forcing changes on customers whether you like it or not. A family member who lives in a condo is being forced to go with Ignite TV as Rogers is dropping the current TV service. Rogers is saying the TV adapter box only has HDMI output so if you have an older TV without HDMI customers in the building will have a problem.
The question becomes how long do you expect the companies to maintain obsolete plant. The world has been moving to fibre and IP for years.
When I got Bell Fiber to the home, they ripped out my copper. Rogers, on the other hand still has their coax to my house. I've had very reliable service with Bell FTTH for the last 5 years. Very reliable through all weather. I even have pics of the FTTN install, and the outside connections. Don On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 at 20:31, James Knott via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On 2022-11-21 19:13, Kevin Cozens via talk wrote:
On 2022-11-21 18:35, Michael Galea via talk wrote:
the copper is being yanked.
If someone was still using copper for their telephone service (ie. they don't have a cell phone), what are they going to do for phone service?
Is this being done by bell out in the country? Rogers is also forcing changes on customers whether you like it or not. A family member who lives in a condo is being forced to go with Ignite TV as Rogers is dropping the current TV service. Rogers is saying the TV adapter box only has HDMI output so if you have an older TV without HDMI customers in the building will have a problem.
The question becomes how long do you expect the companies to maintain obsolete plant. The world has been moving to fibre and IP for years.
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On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 08:31:14PM -0500, James Knott via talk wrote:
The question becomes how long do you expect the companies to maintain obsolete plant. The world has been moving to fibre and IP for years.
I am OK with them wanting to upgrade to more reliable and better equipment. The fact that they can have a monopoly on service in an area and not be required to resell access to other ISPs I have a problem with especially when they won't even offer the services some people want (like static IPs and such). It would be much better if the local infrastructure was a public utility and then you bought service to run on it from the provider of your choice. -- Len Sorensen
On 2022-11-25 09:29, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 08:31:14PM -0500, James Knott via talk wrote:
The question becomes how long do you expect the companies to maintain obsolete plant. The world has been moving to fibre and IP for years. I am OK with them wanting to upgrade to more reliable and better equipment. The fact that they can have a monopoly on service in an area and not be required to resell access to other ISPs I have a problem with especially when they won't even offer the services some people want (like static IPs and such).
It would be much better if the local infrastructure was a public utility and then you bought service to run on it from the provider of your choice.
What I'd like to see is some companies, such as Bell, get off their butts and provide IPv6. By sticking with IPv4, they are holding the Internet back, through inadequate address space. Even on LTE, where IPv6 is mandatory, Bell doesn't do it properly. I'm on Rogers and have had full IPv6 for years, both Internet and cell phone. On my home firewall, I get a /56 prefix, which provides 2^72 addresses, or 256 /64 prefixes. My cell phone also has full IPv6 and can provide it to tethered devices in a /64 prefix. In fact, to access IPv4 sites, my phone has to use 464XLAT to convert from IPv6 to IPv4.
On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 09:46:47AM -0500, James Knott via talk wrote:
What I'd like to see is some companies, such as Bell, get off their butts and provide IPv6. By sticking with IPv4, they are holding the Internet back, through inadequate address space. Even on LTE, where IPv6 is mandatory, Bell doesn't do it properly.
I'm on Rogers and have had full IPv6 for years, both Internet and cell phone. On my home firewall, I get a /56 prefix, which provides 2^72 addresses, or 256 /64 prefixes. My cell phone also has full IPv6 and can provide it to tethered devices in a /64 prefix. In fact, to access IPv4 sites, my phone has to use 464XLAT to convert from IPv6 to IPv4.
How stable is the IPv6 address block you get from Rogers? I know in the past their IPv4 addresses rarely changed. I figure I ought to start figuring out what's involved with Rogers setup these days given that's what I will end up with next September when I move to a new house. I am pretty sure a new development won't have any copper phone or cable connections, just fiber, and rogers service is included in the price of the house for the first year, so I figure I might as well use it. And I suppose I will have to figure out how one runs a router and APs on top of whatever device rogers uses to connect to their network. -- Len Sorensen
| From: Lennart Sorensen via talk <talk@gtalug.org> | I figure I ought to start figuring out what's involved with Rogers setup | these days given that's what I will end up with next September when I | move to a new house. I am pretty sure a new development won't have any | copper phone or cable connections, just fiber, and rogers service is | included in the price of the house for the first year, so I figure I | might as well use it. At least a few years ago, many developers sold exclusive access to a development to Bell or Rogers (or perhaps other companies). Exclusivity was about 5 years. I have no idea whether it would be economical for the other suppliers to support an already fully-booked neighbourhood after the exclusivity expired. Yet another monopolistic game. Rogers FTTH is something I don't know much about. It's not like what we have at the moment (and what the vast majority of older neighbourhoods have). I'm not sure what that service looks like but I understand that upload speeds are much improved. Bell is slow to replace copper with fibre, but Rogers is much slower at replacing coax last mile (I'm a little fuzzy on the architecture of cable).
On 2022-11-25 11:04, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:
Rogers FTTH is something I don't know much about. It's not like what we have at the moment (and what the vast majority of older neighbourhoods have). I'm not sure what that service looks like but I understand that upload speeds are much improved.
Bell is slow to replace copper with fibre, but Rogers is much slower at replacing coax last mile (I'm a little fuzzy on the architecture of cable).
FTTH means you have your own fibre connection, though I don't know the details, compared to Fibre to the Neighbourhood or curb, where the last mile (1.6 Km) is over coax. Both companies are moving to fibre, but it's a big job, so you'll see FTTH in new areas first and then others.
On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 12:13:51PM -0500, James Knott via talk wrote:
FTTH means you have your own fibre connection, though I don't know the details, compared to Fibre to the Neighbourhood or curb, where the last mile (1.6 Km) is over coax.
Both companies are moving to fibre, but it's a big job, so you'll see FTTH in new areas first and then others.
Yeah my parents in Bolton have fiber being run to the house at the moment by Bell. Given Bell's best service in the area was 6Mbps ADSL so far, that's a bit of a leap in technology. Rogers has been able to do quite a bit faster with cable modems but nothing like fiber of course. -- Len Sorensen
On 2022-11-25 14:15, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
Yeah my parents in Bolton have fiber being run to the house at the moment by Bell. Given Bell's best service in the area was 6Mbps ADSL so far, that's a bit of a leap in technology. Rogers has been able to do quite a bit faster with cable modems but nothing like fiber of course.
Here's a speedtest I ran earlier this morning on my 500/20 connection from Rogers. https://www.speedtest.net/result/13988950568 One time I even saw 1 Gb down, which is the max my network is capable of. A friend has 500/500 on Bell fibre.
On 2022-11-25 14:21, James Knott via talk wrote:
On 2022-11-25 14:15, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
Yeah my parents in Bolton have fiber being run to the house at the moment by Bell. Given Bell's best service in the area was 6Mbps ADSL so far, that's a bit of a leap in technology. Rogers has been able to do quite a bit faster with cable modems but nothing like fiber of course.
Here's a speedtest I ran earlier this morning on my 500/20 connection from Rogers. https://www.speedtest.net/result/13988950568
One time I even saw 1 Gb down, which is the max my network is capable of.
A friend has 500/500 on Bell fibre.
I know Bell at times have prioritized traffic to speed test sites. I would be willing to bet that Rogers does the same. -- Alvin Starr || land: (647)478-6285 Netvel Inc. || Cell: (416)806-0133 alvin@netvel.net ||
On 2022-11-25 16:01, Alvin Starr via talk wrote:
I know Bell at times have prioritized traffic to speed test sites. I would be willing to bet that Rogers does the same.
The only thing I've heard of is an initial boost, which speedtest supposedly compensates for. Of course speedtest's only a rough guide and and can vary with time of day or run to run.
On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 11:04:01AM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:
At least a few years ago, many developers sold exclusive access to a development to Bell or Rogers (or perhaps other companies). Exclusivity was about 5 years. I have no idea whether it would be economical for the other suppliers to support an already fully-booked neighbourhood after the exclusivity expired. Yet another monopolistic game.
Rogers FTTH is something I don't know much about. It's not like what we have at the moment (and what the vast majority of older neighbourhoods have). I'm not sure what that service looks like but I understand that upload speeds are much improved.
Bell is slow to replace copper with fibre, but Rogers is much slower at replacing coax last mile (I'm a little fuzzy on the architecture of cable).
I have no idea if they do anything exclusive, or if both have wired up the area at this point. And since 4 different developers are doing the area, I guess either Rogers would have had to make a deal with whoever sectioned out the lots, or they would have had to make a deal with each developer. No idea how that works. It's the first time I had seen multiple developers working in one area. It seems they wanted the houses to look mixed so no identical models without 3 lots of each other, and most of the streets have a different developer handle each side of the street. Maybe I will see if I can spot anything labeled Bell next time I go buy to look at the progress, not that Bell or Rogers are good at labelling their equipment. -- Len Sorensen
On 2022-11-25 09:55, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
How stable is the IPv6 address block you get from Rogers? I know in the past their IPv4 addresses rarely changed. Very. My prefix has remained stable for a few years, even surviving replacing, at different times, the modem and computer I run pfSense on. I figure I ought to start figuring out what's involved with Rogers setup these days given that's what I will end up with next September when I move to a new house. I am pretty sure a new development won't have any copper phone or cable connections, just fiber, and rogers service is included in the price of the house for the first year, so I figure I might as well use it.
And I suppose I will have to figure out how one runs a router and APs on top of whatever device rogers uses to connect to their network.
I use a separate firewall, pfSense, and proper access point. I have the modem configured for bridge mode. It's very easy to do. It's in the settings.
On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 01:36:04PM -0500, James Knott via talk wrote:
I use a separate firewall, pfSense, and proper access point. I have the modem configured for bridge mode. It's very easy to do. It's in the settings.
I guess I will find out eventually what their equipment consists of. I have read that a Nokia XS-020X-A ONT is involved in addition to rogers normally also providing a router/AP as well. At least looking up one of the houses I know is occupied already in the development, rogers is offering up to 2.5Gbit symetric FTTH service for $125/month or something like that. Bell says they don't have info on service to that location at this time. And I did find some posts from people that said they just connected their own firewall directly to the ONT set to DHCP and it just worked so hopefully it's that simple. -- Len Sorensen
On 2022-11-25 14:29, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
At least looking up one of the houses I know is occupied already in the development, rogers is offering up to 2.5Gbit symetric FTTH service for $125/month or something like that. Bell says they don't have info on service to that location at this time.
Rogers is now offering 8 Gb.
And I did find some posts from people that said they just connected their own firewall directly to the ONT set to DHCP and it just worked so hopefully it's that simple.
I forgot you were talking about fibre and was thinking the box they provided for coax.
On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 02:37:26PM -0500, James Knott via talk wrote:
Rogers is now offering 8 Gb.
Well in some places. 2.5 was the max I could see when doing the availability check. I used 43 Longworth Ave in Richmond Hill since that's one of the first houses in the development that appears to now be lived in. I assume Rogers plans to offer the same service to the entire development. :) I think the equipment in the long term is supposed to support up to 10Gbps.
I forgot you were talking about fibre and was thinking the box they provided for coax.
Yes they call both Ignite, but they don't use exactly the same equipment. I think the gateway/wifi and TV boxes are the same, but not the actual incoming connection. -- Len Sorensen
On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 1:29 PM Lennart Sorensen via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 01:36:04PM -0500, James Knott via talk wrote:
I use a separate firewall, pfSense, and proper access point. I have the modem configured for bridge mode. It's very easy to do. It's in the settings.
I guess I will find out eventually what their equipment consists of. I have read that a Nokia XS-020X-A ONT is involved in addition to rogers normally also providing a router/AP as well.
At least looking up one of the houses I know is occupied already in the development, rogers is offering up to 2.5Gbit symetric FTTH service for $125/month or something like that. Bell says they don't have info on service to that location at this time.
And I did find some posts from people that said they just connected their own firewall directly to the ONT set to DHCP and it just worked so hopefully it's that simple.
Greetings I'm in a similar situation - - - they're dragging in fiber out in the country. Its being worked on at this point so I'm not connected yet but soon I hope. Lennart - - - you're talking about connecting direct to your firewall (likely an appliance). I've acquired a mini pc (like the intel nucs), a second mini pc that I will be dropping likely pfsense (firewall) on and also a managed switch. I got this equipment idea from reading recommendations for businesses. Besides less equipment - - - - is there any other advantages to only running a firewall and then your home lan? TIA
On 2022-11-26 06:53, o1bigtenor via talk wrote:
I'm in a similar situation - - - they're dragging in fiber out in the country. Its being worked on at this point so I'm not connected yet but soon I hope.
I checked yesterday and saw 8 Gb was available here. I checked the price and decided against it.
Lennart - - - you're talking about connecting direct to your firewall (likely an appliance). I've acquired a mini pc (like the intel nucs), a second mini pc that I will be dropping likely pfsense (firewall) on and also a managed switch.
That's what I have here. I have a Qotom mini PC, with i5 CPU, 4 GB RAM 64 GB SSD and 4 1 GB Ethernet ports. I run pfSense on it and have a managed 8 port Cisco switch. Works very well.
On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 6:13 AM James Knott via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On 2022-11-26 06:53, o1bigtenor via talk wrote:
I'm in a similar situation - - - they're dragging in fiber out in the country. Its being worked on at this point so I'm not connected yet but soon I hope.
I checked yesterday and saw 8 Gb was available here. I checked the price and decided against it.
Lennart - - - you're talking about connecting direct to your firewall (likely an appliance). I've acquired a mini pc (like the intel nucs), a second mini pc that I will be dropping likely pfsense (firewall) on and also a managed switch.
That's what I have here. I have a Qotom mini PC, with i5 CPU, 4 GB RAM 64 GB SSD and 4 1 GB Ethernet ports. I run pfSense on it and have a managed 8 port Cisco switch. Works very well.
No router? TIA
On 2022-11-26 12:14, o1bigtenor wrote:
That's what I have here. I have a Qotom mini PC, with i5 CPU, 4 GB RAM 64 GB SSD and 4 1 GB Ethernet ports. I run pfSense on it and have a managed 8 port Cisco switch. Works very well.
No router?
I just described it. A computer, running pfSense is my firewall/router and it's far more capable than any consumer router you're likely to buy. I have it configured with my main LAN, a VLAN for guest WiFi, test LAN and a connection to my Cisco router. I also have a DNS resolver and NTP server on it and that's just getting started on what it's capable of. It can even do routing protocols, such as OSPF and BGP, which can be used between large networks. In addition to a single IPv4 address, which uses NAT for LAN, I have a /56 IPv6 prefix, which I can split into 256 /64s, each of which contain 2^64 addresses. I also have OpenVPN running. https://www.pfsense.org/
| From: James Knott via talk <talk@gtalug.org> | It can even do | routing protocols, such as OSPF and BGP, which can be used between large | networks. I have a globally assigned /24. Historically I've had ISPs that were willing to advertise my /24. I've always connected via DSL on copper. Daydreaming: I wonder if I can rent a box at a hosting facility that lets my box get into the route-advertising game. If so, it would be nice to have two such providers for resilience. Then I could tunnel traffic to my home over Bell's fiber. I have no ASN but I imagine that can be fixed. Why daydreaming? Because this is probably impractical.
On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 05:53:34AM -0600, o1bigtenor wrote:
I'm in a similar situation - - - they're dragging in fiber out in the country. Its being worked on at this point so I'm not connected yet but soon I hope.
Lennart - - - you're talking about connecting direct to your firewall (likely an appliance). I've acquired a mini pc (like the intel nucs), a second mini pc that I will be dropping likely pfsense (firewall) on and also a managed switch.
I got this equipment idea from reading recommendations for businesses.
Besides less equipment - - - - is there any other advantages to only running a firewall and then your home lan?
Well as far as I can tell, rogers is using the XB8 gateway which has 3 gigabit ports and 1 2.5Gbit port. It uses the 2.5Gbit port to connect to the ONT, so you have no way to get wired connections faster than 1Gbit each plus whatever the wifi does. Having a proper routers able to actually handle 2.5Gbps wired would seem nice. Is it essential? Of course not, very few devices have more than 1Gbps wired ports. It just seems wrong to not have the option. I also doubt a single wifi AP will provide coverage for the whole house. For my town house it has been fine, but the new house is bigger. I figure I need at least a couple, and wifi repeaters are a bad idea (they usually waste at least half the bandwidth available). -- Len Sorensen
On 2022-11-28 09:25, Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote:
Well as far as I can tell, rogers is using the XB8 gateway which has 3 gigabit ports and 1 2.5Gbit port. It uses the 2.5Gbit port to connect to the ONT, so you have no way to get wired connections faster than 1Gbit each plus whatever the wifi does. Having a proper routers able to actually handle 2.5Gbps wired would seem nice. Is it essential? Of course not, very few devices have more than 1Gbps wired ports. It just seems wrong to not have the option.
With 8 Gb now available, we're going to need a significant upgrade in hardware. I have a mini PC with 4 1 Gb ports, though a 2.5 Gb version came out shortly after I got mine. Regardless, 8 Gb is a LOT of bandwidth. I remember when major companies, such as the big banks and IBM would get a 45 Mb DS3. I don't know how a home could use that much and even many businesses couldn't. To just handle 8 Gb would take 10 Gb NICs and enough CPU power to keep up.
I also doubt a single wifi AP will provide coverage for the whole house. For my town house it has been fine, but the new house is bigger. I figure I need at least a couple, and wifi repeaters are a bad idea (they usually waste at least half the bandwidth available).
That depends. The newer APs can do WiFi 6e, which includes the 6 GHz band. If you use that for connecting remotes, and 2.4 & 5 GHz for users, the hit isn't as bad. I also have a single AP for my condo and it covers it and beyond. Regardless, I'd use Ethernet to connect multiple APs, if possible. These days, I could see getting 1 Gb symmetrical over fibre, though it wouldn't be much of an improvement over the 940/32 I'm getting now with a cable modem. Even that is more than I need. BTW, when I first came across fibre in my work, it was only 150 Mb and carried 3 DS3s. That was in 1990. Now, some fibre cables run 400 Gb per wavelength, with well over 100 wavelengths per fibre pair and multiple terabits in the cable. When I first started working in telecom in 1972, some of the equipment I worked on ran at 45.4 b/s!
On 2022-11-25 09:29, Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 08:31:14PM -0500, James Knott via talk wrote:
The question becomes how long do you expect the companies to maintain obsolete plant. The world has been moving to fibre and IP for years.
I am OK with them wanting to upgrade to more reliable and better equipment. The fact that they can have a monopoly on service in an area and not be required to resell access to other ISPs I have a problem with especially when they won't even offer the services some people want (like static IPs and such).
It would be much better if the local infrastructure was a public utility and then you bought service to run on it from the provider of your choice.
I am not anti-progress. But if it was real progress, reliability would exceed that of POTS, the cost would be cheaper and I could rely on the service working even in an emergency. -- Michael Galea
On 2022-11-25 17:10, Michael Galea via talk wrote:
I am not anti-progress. But if it was real progress, reliability would exceed that of POTS, the cost would be cheaper and I could rely on the service working even in an emergency.
The bare fibre is more reliable than copper, as it doesn't need all the extra equipment to carry today's digital signals. Fibre can carry data much further than copper ever dreamed of. Years ago, a company might get a DS1 (T1) line, which ran at a blazing 1.544 Mb/s! It also required repeaters about every 6000', IIRC. The coax based cable network likewise has distance limits that require amplification. Depending on the bandwidth and fibre, distances with it can be thousands of Km.
On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 05:20:46PM -0500, James Knott via talk wrote:
The bare fibre is more reliable than copper, as it doesn't need all the extra equipment to carry today's digital signals. Fibre can carry data much further than copper ever dreamed of. Years ago, a company might get a DS1 (T1) line, which ran at a blazing 1.544 Mb/s! It also required repeaters about every 6000', IIRC. The coax based cable network likewise has distance limits that require amplification. Depending on the bandwidth and fibre, distances with it can be thousands of Km.
True, but a plain old phone line was powered by Bell and worked during power failures. VoIP on a fiber line doesn't do that. -- Len Sornesen
On 2022-11-25 17:20, James Knott via talk wrote:
On 2022-11-25 17:10, Michael Galea via talk wrote:
I am not anti-progress. But if it was real progress, reliability would exceed that of POTS, the cost would be cheaper and I could rely on the service working even in an emergency.
The bare fibre is more reliable than copper, as it doesn't need all the extra equipment to carry today's digital signals. Fibre can carry data much further than copper ever dreamed of. Years ago, a company might get a DS1 (T1) line, which ran at a blazing 1.544 Mb/s! It also required repeaters about every 6000', IIRC. The coax based cable network likewise has distance limits that require amplification. Depending on the bandwidth and fibre, distances with it can be thousands of Km.
Bare fibre is more delicate than copper. We spend a day and a half down because someone put too sharp a bend in a fibre cable. -- Alvin Starr || land: (647)478-6285 Netvel Inc. || Cell: (416)806-0133 alvin@netvel.net ||
On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 05:10:12PM -0500, Michael Galea via talk wrote:
I am not anti-progress. But if it was real progress, reliability would exceed that of POTS, the cost would be cheaper and I could rely on the service working even in an emergency.
That would be nice. I am hoping that if I put all the stuff on a UPS it can stay working during a short power failure. I do know that when I move and switch the internet to rogers, the cell phones will be moving away from rogers. Rogers has clearly demonstrated that they are not competent at keeping their network running, so I am not going to have all my services in one basket. Right now my cell phone is with rogers and internet is teksavvy over Bell ADSL2 line, and the home phone is just a plain (severly over pried) Bell line. -- Len Sorensen
On Nov 21, 2022, at 19:13, Kevin Cozens via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
If someone was still using copper for their telephone service (ie. they don't have a cell phone), what are they going to do for phone service?
They can provide landline over fibre using a POTS adapter for those who need that. Out of curiosity I just checked bell.ca for what the price for landline is these days. It starts at $52/month. I don't know what I expected it to cost, since I've never had a landline in the 20+ years I've been in Canada, but I certainly didn't expect it to be that much.
On 2022-11-21 20:57, Alex Kink wrote:
They can provide landline over fibre using a POTS adapter for those who need that.
That should be possible as there are VOIP based phones. They just won't be as reliable as plain old copper based POTS. In the past few years our phone has never gone out but the Internet has gone out several times. I don't know how the cost of FTTH is supposed to compare to Rogers for similar speeds. Every time I ask about Fiber I'm told that it isn't available in my area. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ | "Nerds make the shiny things that https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and | that's why we're powerful" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | #include <disclaimer/favourite> | --Chris Hardwick
On 2022-11-21 22:13, Kevin Cozens via talk wrote:
On 2022-11-21 20:57, Alex Kink wrote:
They can provide landline over fibre using a POTS adapter for those who need that.
That should be possible as there are VOIP based phones. They just won't be as reliable as plain old copper based POTS. In the past few years our phone has never gone out but the Internet has gone out several times.
I don't know how the cost of FTTH is supposed to compare to Rogers for similar speeds. Every time I ask about Fiber I'm told that it isn't available in my area.
The issue is not just the last mile speed to your house but what is the backing service provided. So when you pick your carrier you need to look into how well they provision their back end. I have a cottage with a 3Mbit DSL service and the DSL service is rock solid. The back haul from the fiber connect point on the other hand is little better than 2 tin cans and a string. During the last 2 years the summer service has been so bad that I was seeing throughput from my cottage to anywhere of tens of bits per second. So back end performance can at times be much more important than the raw last mile speed. Fortunately now I have Starlink so I am not worried about how badly the carriers treat rural Canadians. -- Alvin Starr || land: (647)478-6285 Netvel Inc. || Cell: (416)806-0133 alvin@netvel.net ||
| From: Alvin Starr via talk <talk@gtalug.org> | The issue is not just the last mile speed to your house but what is the | backing service provided. I simplify it to three parts (terms are different for cable): 1. last mile (user to CO) 2. backhaul (CO to a big centre / Point of Presence for 3rd party ISP) 3. big centre / 3rd party ISP to cloud Note: this is a model and not 100% accurate. 3rd party ISPs pay a ridiculous amount for backhaul because the CRTC got bamboozled. So much that those ISPs wanted to pool together to provide their own backhaul network but Bell and Rogers would not let them put equipment in the COs. The third one matters but is generally beyond the ken of we who are customers. If you do traceroutes, sometime you can see backlogs at exchanges (packet loss). They usually reflect games being played by the gods. For example: Bell used to refuse to interconnect with Rogers so traffic that should have been exchanged at 1 Front St. went to Chicago and back.
On 2022-11-21 23:57, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:
For example: Bell used to refuse to interconnect with Rogers so traffic that should have been exchanged at 1 Front St. went to Chicago and back.
Actually, the Toronto Internet Exchange is at 151 Front St. W. I worked in that building for 17 year, when I was with CN Telecommunications, CNCP & Unitel. I was in it last a few years ago, doing some work for Freedom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_Internet_Exchange BTW, they also have 3 stratum 1 public NTP servers available.
Alvin Starr via talk wrote on 2022-11-21 20:02:
I have a cottage with a 3Mbit DSL service and the DSL service is rock solid.
The back haul from the fiber connect point on the other hand is little better than 2 tin cans and a string. How does one test the DSL service between customer and CO only?
Is that a ping test? Am I misunderstanding everything (again)? I'm just trying to understand how to go about it should I find myself in similar circumstances. Thanks, rb
On 2022-11-22 20:45, BCLUG via talk wrote:
Alvin Starr via talk wrote on 2022-11-21 20:02:
I have a cottage with a 3Mbit DSL service and the DSL service is rock solid.
The back haul from the fiber connect point on the other hand is little better than 2 tin cans and a string. How does one test the DSL service between customer and CO only?
Is that a ping test? Am I misunderstanding everything (again)?
I'm just trying to understand how to go about it should I find myself in similar circumstances. The DSL modems usually have a nice collection of statistics. Things like error rates, re-connections, signal to noise ratios. Looking through these you can get a good feel for the quality of the line.
Also for a number of years I had access to Bells DSL line testing service because I was running an ISP. It took a few years to figure out what was going on. My first assumption was that it was last mile phone line issues because it seemed to change with the weather but I eventually realized that it related to the likelihood of people being inside trying to use an internet connection. -- Alvin Starr || land: (647)478-6285 Netvel Inc. || Cell: (416)806-0133 alvin@netvel.net ||
| From: BCLUG via talk <talk@gtalug.org> | How does one test the DSL service between customer and CO only? | | Is that a ping test? Am I misunderstanding everything (again)? | | I'm just trying to understand how to go about it should I find myself in | similar circumstances. Speaking as an amateur, with no actual knowledge: A PPPoE connection looks like one TCP/IP hop. It goes all the way from your router to the ISP's customer-facing doorway. So ping can only test the last mile + backhaul to ISP as one. I think that that means you DID understand.
On 2022-11-21 16:13, Michael Galea via talk wrote:
Hi, Bell notified me that they will soon be shutting down my copper telephone service, no options. My DSL to TekSavvy will go with it. Joy.
I run my own NAT/mail/vpn server firewall and I want to keep it. Apparently, others have been able connect to Bell by turning on PPPoE pass through on the Bell (HH4000) modem.
Has anyone on the list gone this route? Is Bell still dreadful, even on fibre? Am I crazy to look at Rogers?
PS: I pay ~$40/Mo for landline, which looks to increase to $52 after the change! Robbers!
If they drop the copper then you will need some kind of VOIP adapter which is not such a big deal but if you lose power then your VOIP adapter will not work unless it has some kind of battery backup. One thing that was a feature of copper lines was that it provided power to run the phone from the central office or remote so that in the case of an emergency you would still have service. A number of years ago I started moving my phone services to a VOIP provider and now even my home phone is a VOIP service. If I am spending over $10/month for 3 phone lines I would be surprised. It has been fairly reliable for years but at one point my VOIP provider was mostly offline for about a week because of a DOS attack. On the other hand I lost my land line phone from Bell for 2 weeks because of some idiot with a back hoe. My next step is to port my mobile number. -- Alvin Starr || land: (647)478-6285 Netvel Inc. || Cell: (416)806-0133 alvin@netvel.net ||
On 2022-11-21 22:30, Alvin Starr via talk wrote:
On 2022-11-21 16:13, Michael Galea via talk wrote:
Hi, Bell notified me that they will soon be shutting down my copper telephone service, no options. My DSL to TekSavvy will go with it. Joy.
I run my own NAT/mail/vpn server firewall and I want to keep it. Apparently, others have been able connect to Bell by turning on PPPoE pass through on the Bell (HH4000) modem.
Has anyone on the list gone this route? Is Bell still dreadful, even on fibre? Am I crazy to look at Rogers?
PS: I pay ~$40/Mo for landline, which looks to increase to $52 after the change! Robbers!
If they drop the copper then you will need some kind of VOIP adapter which is not such a big deal but if you lose power then your VOIP adapter will not work unless it has some kind of battery backup. One thing that was a feature of copper lines was that it provided power to run the phone from the central office or remote so that in the case of an emergency you would still have service.
A number of years ago I started moving my phone services to a VOIP provider and now even my home phone is a VOIP service. If I am spending over $10/month for 3 phone lines I would be surprised.
Ok, I just have to ask. - Who is the VoIP provider? - Who assigns you the telephone numbers, and can you transfer an existing number to them? - Does your provider support location identification information (I have heard it called E911)? The only reason I keep a landline is for emergency dispatch, and that argument gets weaker now that my CO powered line will be replaced with locally powered gear.
It has been fairly reliable for years but at one point my VOIP provider was mostly offline for about a week because of a DOS attack. On the other hand I lost my land line phone from Bell for 2 weeks because of some idiot with a back hoe.
My next step is to port my mobile number.
-- Michael Galea
On 2022-11-22 16:47, Michael Galea via talk wrote:
On 2022-11-21 22:30, Alvin Starr via talk wrote:
On 2022-11-21 16:13, Michael Galea via talk wrote:
Hi, Bell notified me that they will soon be shutting down my copper telephone service, no options. My DSL to TekSavvy will go with it. Joy.
I run my own NAT/mail/vpn server firewall and I want to keep it. Apparently, others have been able connect to Bell by turning on PPPoE pass through on the Bell (HH4000) modem.
Has anyone on the list gone this route? Is Bell still dreadful, even on fibre? Am I crazy to look at Rogers?
PS: I pay ~$40/Mo for landline, which looks to increase to $52 after the change! Robbers!
If they drop the copper then you will need some kind of VOIP adapter which is not such a big deal but if you lose power then your VOIP adapter will not work unless it has some kind of battery backup. One thing that was a feature of copper lines was that it provided power to run the phone from the central office or remote so that in the case of an emergency you would still have service.
A number of years ago I started moving my phone services to a VOIP provider and now even my home phone is a VOIP service. If I am spending over $10/month for 3 phone lines I would be surprised.
Ok, I just have to ask. - Who is the VoIP provider?
voip.ms
- Who assigns you the telephone numbers, and can you transfer an existing number to them? voip.ms can alocate phone numbers in just about every area code in North America and I believe some in Europe. They will also port existing numbers from the existing carriers. There is some paperwork required to prove you own the phone number. - Does your provider support location identification information (I have heard it called E911)? The only reason I keep a landline is for emergency dispatch, and that argument gets weaker now that my CO powered line will be replaced with locally powered gear. They do support e911.
That all being said, voip.ms has a bazillion features but so many choices makes it the kind of service you would not want to give your mother. Take a walk through their web site and feel free to ask any questions.
It has been fairly reliable for years but at one point my VOIP provider was mostly offline for about a week because of a DOS attack. On the other hand I lost my land line phone from Bell for 2 weeks because of some idiot with a back hoe.
My next step is to port my mobile number.
-- Alvin Starr || land: (647)478-6285 Netvel Inc. || Cell: (416)806-0133 alvin@netvel.net ||
On 2022-11-22 17:51, Alvin Starr via talk wrote:
voip.ms has a bazillion features but so many choices makes it the kind of service you would not want to give your mother.
I wouldn't expect non-techs to configure IVR, ring groups, voice mail, hunt groups, &c. But setting up a single-line ATA using none of those features gives equivalent service to POTS, for 1/10 the cost. I did set that up for my parents, and it's been the one piece of tech that's never required Bob's Tech Support. For people wanting turnkey VoIP systems there are services like Ooma, and ISPs like Teksavvy and Rogers offer their own VoIP service, with their considerable markup. We had a VoIP User Group in Kitchener-Waterloo https://kwvoip.ca, set up with the expected attendance of VoIP tech enthusiasts. But the VoIP tech enthusiasts had their own VoIP consulting businesses, mostly unwilling to share tips and tricks, and the remainder of the attendees were people just looking for cheaper phone service; once they found out about Ooma or Google Phone they never came back. --Bob. On 2022-11-22 17:51, Alvin Starr via talk wrote:
On 2022-11-22 16:47, Michael Galea via talk wrote:
On 2022-11-21 22:30, Alvin Starr via talk wrote:
On 2022-11-21 16:13, Michael Galea via talk wrote:
Hi, Bell notified me that they will soon be shutting down my copper telephone service, no options. My DSL to TekSavvy will go with it. Joy.
I run my own NAT/mail/vpn server firewall and I want to keep it. Apparently, others have been able connect to Bell by turning on PPPoE pass through on the Bell (HH4000) modem.
Has anyone on the list gone this route? Is Bell still dreadful, even on fibre? Am I crazy to look at Rogers?
PS: I pay ~$40/Mo for landline, which looks to increase to $52 after the change! Robbers!
If they drop the copper then you will need some kind of VOIP adapter which is not such a big deal but if you lose power then your VOIP adapter will not work unless it has some kind of battery backup. One thing that was a feature of copper lines was that it provided power to run the phone from the central office or remote so that in the case of an emergency you would still have service.
A number of years ago I started moving my phone services to a VOIP provider and now even my home phone is a VOIP service. If I am spending over $10/month for 3 phone lines I would be surprised.
Ok, I just have to ask. - Who is the VoIP provider?
voip.ms
- Who assigns you the telephone numbers, and can you transfer an existing number to them? voip.ms can alocate phone numbers in just about every area code in North America and I believe some in Europe. They will also port existing numbers from the existing carriers. There is some paperwork required to prove you own the phone number. - Does your provider support location identification information (I have heard it called E911)? The only reason I keep a landline is for emergency dispatch, and that argument gets weaker now that my CO powered line will be replaced with locally powered gear. They do support e911.
That all being said, voip.ms has a bazillion features but so many choices makes it the kind of service you would not want to give your mother. Take a walk through their web site and feel free to ask any questions.
It has been fairly reliable for years but at one point my VOIP provider was mostly offline for about a week because of a DOS attack. On the other hand I lost my land line phone from Bell for 2 weeks because of some idiot with a back hoe.
My next step is to port my mobile number.
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| From: Michael Galea via talk <talk@gtalug.org> I am puzzling over the same problems... | Hi, Bell notified me that they will soon be shutting down my copper telephone | service, no options. My DSL to TekSavvy will go with it. Joy. My neighbourhood got Bell Fiber to the Home (FTTH). I signed up but said I wanted to keep my copper too. They thought that that was odd but went ahead. I recently got a letter (bulk, I think) saying that copper service is being turned off in the neighbourhood (in March, I think). | I run my own NAT/mail/vpn server firewall and I want to keep it. I get DSL service from Vybe over copper. I have a static IP address. I run a mail server and a DNS server on it. I also have been assigned a /24 by ARIN (actually, before ARIN) and Vybe routes it to my home too. Bell can't give me a static IP address and they sure aren't going to route my /24 to my home. | Apparently, | others have been able connect to Bell by turning on PPPoE pass through on the | Bell (HH4000) modem. When I asked Vybe about what to do, they said PPPoE would work on the HH4000, but only in an "I heard that" kind of way. This seems very odd to me, for a few reasons. They actually said I could use my existing modem but that is nonsense since it connects to copper and the HH4000 provides ethernet. This shows the ignorance of the Vybe tech support person that I was talking to. Note: I don't blame him but I don't know where to turn for accurate information. Experimentation, partly. What I can do, in theory is throw away my modem and connect my gateway machine (which talked PPPoE to the modem) to the HH4000. But I don't want a big-bang cutover so I'll do it a little differently. I'm paying Vybe for a DSL connection at 25M, over copper. Vybe doesn't offer fibre. Bell doesn't let them resell it. So how can I pay them for service over copper after copper is gone? I could flood them at 1G with this connection. How can they be compensated for that amount of traffic? Remember, they have to pay their upstream provider for bandwidth; probably Bell too. I actually want two PPPoE connections: - to Bell, for the IP service I'm paying them for - to Vybe for my static IP address etc. But I don't think that the protocol allows you to have two PPPoE sessions over one ethernet. Why do I want Bell's IP address as well as my static address? - I'm paying Bell for bandwidth and I want to use Bell's bandwidth - apparently my in-house set-top-boxes (think Chrome Cast With Google TV (what a horrible name)) are only allowed access to TV because they come through the IP address assigned by Bell. This was told to me by a Bell sales person so it might be wrong, but it makes some sense. | Has anyone on the list gone this route? Is Bell still dreadful, even on fibre? | Am I crazy to look at Rogers? Rogers isn't going to give you a static IP address. My Rogers line changes IP address randomly but on average about once a year. But you cannot control the entry in the reverse domain for a Rogers address so it isn't very useful for an SMTP server. I don't know anything about Rogers business service. That should support a static IP address. But even third-party ISPs cannot offer static IPs over Rogers fabric, only over Bell's. Most of Rogers service is fast down, slow up. There are a very few places where Rogers has installed FTTH, and then it is faster down, fast up. With those exceptions, Bell FTTH is capable of much faster up than Rogers is. The two giants are leapfrogging each other, but at the speed of tectonic drift. I may be forced to move my mailserver out of my home. Something that I've avoided for about 35 years. | PS: I pay ~$40/Mo for landline, which looks to increase to $52 after the | change! Robbers! All these companies (by which I mean both -- it *is* a duopoly) offer great prices for bundles of services. Typically for two years at a time. You have to appear willing to switch to get good deals after then. I'm paying Bell $90 + tax for 1.5G down 9xxM up internet + "home phone" + Basic TV, including HH4000 modem and one "PVR" TV box [It isn't a PVR -- stuff is being stored somewhere in Bell's cloud). Note: Traditionally, Old fashioned copper landlines (POTS) had power supplied by big batteries in the Central office (CO). It even had enough to power a light in your Princess Phone. So your phone service continued through Hydro outages. Of course some events took out both networks. When Rogers started to offer landlines, they put UPSes in the nodes. They'd last for a few hours. After that, they deployed generators to keep the service going. I observed this because they did it across the street from our house during a long power blackout. Bell is giving me a phone service though the HH4000. The HH3000 had a UPS to handle phone service during Hydro outages. But the HH4000 does not include a UPS and the HH3000 isn't an option. I assume that I could put the HH4000 on my own UPS. For most people this doesn't actually matter since most landline handsets require mains power anyway. This is even true for me since we had to retire our NE500 sets when pulse dialing was yanked from our line. Somewhere in my junk-pile I have a touch-tone line-powered handset. In an emergency, most people will grab a mobile phone anyway. Until it runs out of battery.
On 2022-11-21 23:41, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:
Rogers isn't going to give you a static IP address. My Rogers line changes IP address randomly but on average about once a year.
I am on Rogers and my IPv4 address is virtually static. Also, the host name is based on modem and firewall/router MAC addresses and only changes if I change hardware. On IPv6 my /56 prefix has remained the same for a few years and has survived replacing, at different times, the modem and the computer I run pfSense on. I don't believe Bell provides IPv6, though some resellers over Bell do.
On 2022-11-21 23:41, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:
Rogers isn't going to give you a static IP address. My Rogers line changes IP address randomly but on average about once a year. But you cannot control the entry in the reverse domain for a Rogers address so it isn't very useful for an SMTP server.
I find the Rogers assigned IP address is fairly stable. It mainly changes after there has been an Internet outage or I needed to reboot the Rogers cable modem. The hostname they assign never changes unless the Rogers supplied cable modem is swapped out for a different one. If you want (or need) to be accessible by IP address you can look at a service such as dyndns.
Somewhere in my junk-pile I have a touch-tone line-powered handset.
There is one phone in the house that is still an old touch tone line powered phone. We keep it just in case there is a power outage and we need to make a phone call.
In an emergency, most people will grab a mobile phone anyway. Until it runs out of battery.
If you have one to grab. That also only works as long as the batteries and/or generators powering the cell tower lasts. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ | "Nerds make the shiny things that https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and | that's why we're powerful" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | #include <disclaimer/favourite> | --Chris Hardwick
On 2022-11-22 13:21, Kevin Cozens via talk wrote:
I find the Rogers assigned IP address is fairly stable. It mainly changes after there has been an Internet outage or I needed to reboot the Rogers cable modem. The hostname they assign never changes unless the Rogers supplied cable modem is swapped out for a different one. If you want (or need) to be accessible by IP address you can look at a service such as dyndns.
I use a DNS alias that points to the long host name provided by Rogers.
On 21/11/2022 16.13, Michael Galea via talk wrote:
Hi, Bell notified me that they will soon be shutting down my copper telephone service, no options. My DSL to TekSavvy will go with it. Joy.
I haven't received notice yet, but there have been Bell folks going round with door tags in the streets near me, and I suspect I'll hear soon too.
PS: I pay ~$40/Mo for landline, which looks to increase to $52 after the change! Robbers!
Copper service is CRTC rate regulated. Fibre isn't. The head of the CRTC - a former TELUS SVP - knows who his real friends are. I'm currently fighting with voip.ms setup, as my elderly mum in Scotland can't get the hang of video chats. Everything about doing VOIP yourself seems impossibly complex or requires completely arcane obsolete equipment. I mean, where are the wifi ATA adaptors (that are under $500 each)? I don't have ethernet cable everywhere, and don't want it, frankly, anywhere. Stewart
Stewart wrote:
I'm currently fighting with voip.ms setup
I've been on voip.ms since 2015. Although I do have one VoIP phone at my desk, the rest of the house is still analogue phones - I simply put a two-line ATA near where the phone line comes in. Conveniently the wiring was in place so I can send one ATA line to the upstairs phone and the other ATA line to the downstairs phone, but if that hadn't been available a single-line ATA would have provided the same as what I had with Bell. The biggest problem has been getting $SPOUSE to understand that they are different lines, not two phones on the same line. She still yells "It's for you, pick up the phone"... But it's been over seven years, so she'll catch on any day now. I've also put a SIP client on my cell phone, so I can receive calls to the home number on the cell (using either WiFi or cell data). That's really convenient, especially when I'm not at home. --Bob. On 2022-11-22 08:52, Stewart C. Russell via talk wrote:
On 21/11/2022 16.13, Michael Galea via talk wrote:
Hi, Bell notified me that they will soon be shutting down my copper telephone service, no options. My DSL to TekSavvy will go with it. Joy.
I haven't received notice yet, but there have been Bell folks going round with door tags in the streets near me, and I suspect I'll hear soon too.
PS: I pay ~$40/Mo for landline, which looks to increase to $52 after the change! Robbers!
Copper service is CRTC rate regulated. Fibre isn't. The head of the CRTC - a former TELUS SVP - knows who his real friends are.
I'm currently fighting with voip.ms setup, as my elderly mum in Scotland can't get the hang of video chats. Everything about doing VOIP yourself seems impossibly complex or requires completely arcane obsolete equipment. I mean, where are the wifi ATA adaptors (that are under $500 each)? I don't have ethernet cable everywhere, and don't want it, frankly, anywhere.
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