Partitioning Question
I have a partitioning question I am hoping someone can help with. I have 2 hard drives in my laptop , a SSD and a standard hard drive. I dual boot Windows and Ubuntu. Here is an image of my partitions from gparted. The top is my SSD and the bottom is my other drive. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u7Rcn1_W95Z1PlV122IhPdR1VXJFxkAJ/view?usp=s... <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u7Rcn1_W95Z1PlV122IhPdR1VXJFxkAJ/view?usp=sharing> . My Linux system except for Home (which has it's own partition on the other drive) is on the SSD as well as Windows. I'm running out of room on the Windows partition on the SSD. I have other partitions on the other drive that has lots of space. Is there a way I can allocate some of that to Windows? For example as you can see in the image I have an ntfs data partition of 100 Gigs that is almost empty. Any way to take some of that and share it with the Windows SSD partition? Otherwise what would people recommend to give Windows more space based on what I have available. I should also probably move some of my Linux out of the SSD but not sure what? I assume if I do move stuff I would need to do it from gparted running on a USB stick? Thanks for your suggestions. Cheers, Jim
On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 2:04 PM Jim Ruxton via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
I have a partitioning question I am hoping someone can help with. I have 2 hard drives in my laptop , a SSD and a standard hard drive. I dual boot Windows and Ubuntu. Here is an image of my partitions from gparted. The top is my SSD and the bottom is my other drive. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u7Rcn1_W95Z1PlV122IhPdR1VXJFxkAJ/view?usp=s... <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u7Rcn1_W95Z1PlV122IhPdR1VXJFxkAJ/view?usp=sharing> .
My Linux system except for Home (which has it's own partition on the other drive) is on the SSD as well as Windows. I'm running out of room on the Windows partition on the SSD. I have other partitions on the other drive that has lots of space. Is there a way I can allocate some of that to Windows? For example as you can see in the image I have an ntfs data partition of 100 Gigs that is almost empty. Any way to take some of that and share it with the Windows SSD partition? Otherwise what would people recommend to give Windows more space based on what I have available. I should also probably move some of my Linux out of the SSD but not sure what? I assume if I do move stuff I would need to do it from gparted running on a USB stick? Thanks for your suggestions.
Dunno if this is a 'good' idea but I've used this moving info from shorter term storage to longer term storage. Setup a similar directory on the drive that has space (dunno if M$ will let you do this) and then use scp to move all the directories and files. Next you setup a soft link from almost full to the empty (sort of) disk. I've been doing this from connecting files/directories from the single hard drive that is the operating system and the Raid-10 array which is where I want most everything that I don't want to lose. This might just be a 'hacky' solution and I really have no idea if it will work on M$ but it does get the job done. Regards
Thanks a lot . This worked perfectly. I've never used links in Windows before. They call them Junctions for folders. I just copied over my Documents and Download Directories to my D: drive and put Junctions on the C drive to these after removing them from that drive. Thanks a lot for the pointer. Cheers, Jim On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 3:32 PM o1bigtenor via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 2:04 PM Jim Ruxton via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
I have a partitioning question I am hoping someone can help with. I have 2 hard drives in my laptop , a SSD and a standard hard drive. I dual boot Windows and Ubuntu. Here is an image of my partitions from gparted. The top is my SSD and the bottom is my other drive.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u7Rcn1_W95Z1PlV122IhPdR1VXJFxkAJ/view?usp=s...
< https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u7Rcn1_W95Z1PlV122IhPdR1VXJFxkAJ/view?usp=s...
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My Linux system except for Home (which has it's own partition on the other drive) is on the SSD as well as Windows. I'm running out of room on the Windows partition on the SSD. I have other partitions on the other drive that has lots of space. Is there a way I can allocate some of that to Windows? For example as you can see in the image I have an ntfs data partition of 100 Gigs that is almost empty. Any way to take some of that and share it with the Windows SSD partition? Otherwise what would people recommend to give Windows more space based on what I have available. I should also probably move some of my Linux out of the SSD but not sure what? I assume if I do move stuff I would need to do it from gparted running on a USB stick? Thanks for your suggestions.
Dunno if this is a 'good' idea but I've used this moving info from shorter term storage to longer term storage.
Setup a similar directory on the drive that has space (dunno if M$ will let you do this) and then use scp to move all the directories and files. Next you setup a soft link from almost full to the empty (sort of) disk.
I've been doing this from connecting files/directories from the single hard drive that is the operating system and the Raid-10 array which is where I want most everything that I don't want to lose.
This might just be a 'hacky' solution and I really have no idea if it will work on M$ but it does get the job done.
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| From: Jim Ruxton via talk <talk@gtalug.org> | On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 3:32 PM o1bigtenor via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote: | > Setup a similar directory on the drive that has space (dunno if M$ will | > let you | > do this) and then use scp to move all the directories and files. Next you | > setup | > a soft link from almost full to the empty (sort of) disk. | Thanks a lot . This worked perfectly. I've never used links in Windows | before. They call them Junctions for folders. I just copied over my | Documents and Download Directories to my D: drive and put Junctions on the | C drive to these after removing them from that drive. Thanks a lot for the | pointer. I'm not a Windows user. But here is another approach. Most computers I buy come with Windows pre-installed. Sometimes they have the OS on c: and everything else on d: (Separate filesystems, potentially on separate drives). This is what you want. I don't trust links in Windows. They were added late and (if I remember correctly) in a quirky way. I don't know/remember how to split a C: drive into a C: and D: drive. Google would probably know but I'm too lazy to look. It may involve the Volume Manager.
On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 03:04:11PM -0400, Jim Ruxton via talk wrote:
I have a partitioning question I am hoping someone can help with. I have 2 hard drives in my laptop , a SSD and a standard hard drive. I dual boot Windows and Ubuntu. Here is an image of my partitions from gparted. The top is my SSD and the bottom is my other drive. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u7Rcn1_W95Z1PlV122IhPdR1VXJFxkAJ/view?usp=s... <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u7Rcn1_W95Z1PlV122IhPdR1VXJFxkAJ/view?usp=sharing> .
My Linux system except for Home (which has it's own partition on the other drive) is on the SSD as well as Windows. I'm running out of room on the Windows partition on the SSD. I have other partitions on the other drive that has lots of space. Is there a way I can allocate some of that to Windows? For example as you can see in the image I have an ntfs data partition of 100 Gigs that is almost empty. Any way to take some of that and share it with the Windows SSD partition? Otherwise what would people recommend to give Windows more space based on what I have available. I should also probably move some of my Linux out of the SSD but not sure what? I assume if I do move stuff I would need to do it from gparted running on a USB stick? Thanks for your suggestions.
I guess getting a larger NVMe drive isn't an option? -- Len Sorensen
I guess eventually I will have to do that Len. Just doing the bandaid solution for now so I don't have to take my laptop apart. Jim On Sun, Mar 28, 2021 at 12:19 AM Lennart Sorensen < lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 03:04:11PM -0400, Jim Ruxton via talk wrote:
I have a partitioning question I am hoping someone can help with. I have 2 hard drives in my laptop , a SSD and a standard hard drive. I dual boot Windows and Ubuntu. Here is an image of my partitions from gparted. The top is my SSD and the bottom is my other drive. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u7Rcn1_W95Z1PlV122IhPdR1VXJFxkAJ/view?usp=s... < https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u7Rcn1_W95Z1PlV122IhPdR1VXJFxkAJ/view?usp=s...
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My Linux system except for Home (which has it's own partition on the other drive) is on the SSD as well as Windows. I'm running out of room on the Windows partition on the SSD. I have other partitions on the other drive that has lots of space. Is there a way I can allocate some of that to Windows? For example as you can see in the image I have an ntfs data partition of 100 Gigs that is almost empty. Any way to take some of that and share it with the Windows SSD partition? Otherwise what would people recommend to give Windows more space based on what I have available. I should also probably move some of my Linux out of the SSD but not sure what? I assume if I do move stuff I would need to do it from gparted running on a USB stick? Thanks for your suggestions.
I guess getting a larger NVMe drive isn't an option?
-- Len Sorensen
On Sun, Mar 28, 2021, 12:38 AM Jim Ruxton via talk, <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
I guess eventually I will have to do that Len. Just doing the bandaid solution for now so I don't have to take my laptop apart. Jim
For any future issues you might want to take a look at gparted. You can resize and reformat disk volumes with comparative ease. I've used it many times without losing data and without having to resort to my backups. https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.howtoforge.com/partitioning_with_gparted/amp... I don't use MS windows so I can't speak to keeping that os functionally intact when moving stuff around. I have moved linux stuff from disk to disk on my desktop to grow storage and add distributions over the years with very few puzzlements. I have resized ntfs and fat data partitions with no real issues but I usually practiced this stuff beforehand on a machine other than my daily driver.
On Sun, Mar 28, 2021 at 12:19 AM Lennart Sorensen < lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
I have a partitioning question I am hoping someone can help with. I have 2 hard drives in my laptop , a SSD and a standard hard drive. I dual boot Windows and Ubuntu. Here is an image of my partitions from gparted. The top is my SSD and the bottom is my other drive. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u7Rcn1_W95Z1PlV122IhPdR1VXJFxkAJ/view?usp=s... < https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u7Rcn1_W95Z1PlV122IhPdR1VXJFxkAJ/view?usp=s...
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My Linux system except for Home (which has it's own partition on the other drive) is on the SSD as well as Windows. I'm running out of room on the Windows partition on the SSD. I have other partitions on the other drive that has lots of space. Is there a way I can allocate some of that to Windows? For example as you can see in the image I have an ntfs data partition of 100 Gigs that is almost empty. Any way to take some of
On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 03:04:11PM -0400, Jim Ruxton via talk wrote: that and
share it with the Windows SSD partition? Otherwise what would people recommend to give Windows more space based on what I have available. I should also probably move some of my Linux out of the SSD but not sure what? I assume if I do move stuff I would need to do it from gparted running on a USB stick? Thanks for your suggestions.
I guess getting a larger NVMe drive isn't an option?
-- Len Sorensen
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HTH Russell
On Sun, Mar 28, 2021 at 07:30:09AM -0400, Russell Reiter wrote:
For any future issues you might want to take a look at gparted. You can resize and reformat disk volumes with comparative ease. I've used it many times without losing data and without having to resort to my backups.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.howtoforge.com/partitioning_with_gparted/amp...
I don't use MS windows so I can't speak to keeping that os functionally intact when moving stuff around.
I have moved linux stuff from disk to disk on my desktop to grow storage and add distributions over the years with very few puzzlements.
I have resized ntfs and fat data partitions with no real issues but I usually practiced this stuff beforehand on a machine other than my daily driver.
I think the few times I have resized ntfs with gparted it has usually worked, although back in the vista days it did break booting but it seems that was fixed long ago. -- Len Sorensen
| From: Lennart Sorensen via talk <talk@gtalug.org> | I think the few times I have resized ntfs with gparted it has usually | worked, although back in the vista days it did break booting but it | seems that was fixed long ago. Warning: my understanding is not based on specifications, just inference. It might be outdated. Windows has a tool for resizing partitions. Great! The Windows tool will shrink a partition to something no smaller than half the original size. Why? I think that 1) it will not move filesystem objects that are marked as immovable 2) the table of contents or some similar object is placed in the middle of the volume (to minimize head movement) 3) this table of contents is marked as immovable. GParted (actually ntfresize) is willing to shrink NTFS filesystems to less than half the original size. It can move immovable object. It the process, it can do some damage. Here's how I use GParted to resize NTFS partitions. It always seems to work. - use GParted to resize the NTFS partition. And nothing else - immediately boot into Windows. Before any other GParted operations. - Windows will "repair" the NTFS filesystem during booting, if needed. - all is well now - reboot Linux and use the freed space.
On 3/28/21 7:30 AM, Russell Reiter via talk wrote:
For any future issues you might want to take a look at gparted. You can resize and reformat disk volumes with comparative ease. I've used it many times without losing data and without having to resort to my backups.
Gparted gives me problems when formatting USB drives that need to boot. If you partition a USB drive with "fdisk" and with "gparted" and compare the MBR, you will see gparted puts lots of data into MBR whereas fdisk modifies just the partition table.
On Sun, Mar 28, 2021 at 12:04 PM William Park via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
On 3/28/21 7:30 AM, Russell Reiter via talk wrote:
For any future issues you might want to take a look at gparted. You can resize and reformat disk volumes with comparative ease. I've used it many times without losing data and without having to resort to my backups.
Gparted gives me problems when formatting USB drives that need to boot. If you partition a USB drive with "fdisk" and with "gparted" and compare the MBR, you will see gparted puts lots of data into MBR whereas fdisk modifies just the partition table.
I don't think I've ever actually partitioned a usb drive. I've only used dd to create a boot usb via a ready made distribution iso. I have used gparted to revert GPT to MBR when I was dealing with UEFI issues, but that was more about me crawling up the learning curve than anything else. I believe most, at least the most mainstream linux distros, are installed using GPT as it can handle drives larger than 2tb.
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Thanks guys for the tips on Gparted. I had already gone ahead with using links. I'm not much of a Windows person so get nervous moving stuff around in there. I discovered that I couldn't move the folder (Program Files) to a drive other than the one that Windows was on. Super frustrating. Anyway I freed up enough space moving a couple other folders. I just wasn't sure if Gparted could join 2 different physical drives to make it look like 1. Unfortunate there is a couple of programs that I need to use Windows for. Thanks again for all the help. Jim On 2021-03-28 12:51 p.m., Russell Reiter via talk wrote:
On Sun, Mar 28, 2021 at 12:04 PM William Park via talk <talk@gtalug.org <mailto:talk@gtalug.org>> wrote:
On 3/28/21 7:30 AM, Russell Reiter via talk wrote:
For any future issues you might want to take a look at gparted. You can resize and reformat disk volumes with comparative ease. I've used it many times without losing data and without having to resort to my backups.
Gparted gives me problems when formatting USB drives that need to boot. If you partition a USB drive with "fdisk" and with "gparted" and compare the MBR, you will see gparted puts lots of data into MBR whereas fdisk modifies just the partition table.
I don't think I've ever actually partitioned a usb drive. I've only used dd to create a boot usb via a ready made distribution iso.
I have used gparted to revert GPT to MBR when I was dealing with UEFI issues, but that was more about me crawling up the learning curve than anything else.
I believe most, at least the most mainstream linux distros, are installed using GPT as it can handle drives larger than 2tb.
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| From: Jim Ruxton via talk <talk@gtalug.org> | | Thanks guys for the tips on Gparted. I had already gone ahead with using | links. I'm not much of a Windows person so get nervous moving stuff around in | there. I discovered that I couldn't move the folder (Program Files) to a drive | other than the one that Windows was on. Super frustrating. Anyway I freed up | enough space moving a couple other folders. I just wasn't sure if Gparted | could join 2 different physical drives to make it look like 1. Unfortunate | there is a couple of programs that I need to use Windows for. Thanks again for | all the help. The first answer in this Stack Exchange item looks useful. <https://superuser.com/questions/512217/can-i-install-all-my-applications-on-d-drive> In particular, when you install most applications, you can specify where they should be loaded.
This is what I should have done with the last program I installed which was about 13 or 14 GB. Thanks for pointing this out. I may even uninstall it and reinstall on D drive. For some reason it never occurred to me that I could I could change the path during install to the other drive. Jim On 2021-03-28 2:38 p.m., D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:
| From: Jim Ruxton via talk <talk@gtalug.org> | | Thanks guys for the tips on Gparted. I had already gone ahead with using | links. I'm not much of a Windows person so get nervous moving stuff around in | there. I discovered that I couldn't move the folder (Program Files) to a drive | other than the one that Windows was on. Super frustrating. Anyway I freed up | enough space moving a couple other folders. I just wasn't sure if Gparted | could join 2 different physical drives to make it look like 1. Unfortunate | there is a couple of programs that I need to use Windows for. Thanks again for | all the help.
The first answer in this Stack Exchange item looks useful.
<https://superuser.com/questions/512217/can-i-install-all-my-applications-on-d-drive>
In particular, when you install most applications, you can specify where they should be loaded.
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| From: Russell Reiter via talk <talk@gtalug.org> | For any future issues you might want to take a look at gparted. If you look at the image he sent, you will see that it is a pair of screenshots of GParted. So he does use it. Of course he may not know all of its capabilities.
On Sun, Mar 28, 2021, 1:25 PM D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk, <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:
| From: Russell Reiter via talk <talk@gtalug.org>
| For any future issues you might want to take a look at gparted.
If you look at the image he sent, you will see that it is a pair of screenshots of GParted. So he does use it. Of course he may not know all of its capabilities.
I didnt actually look at the image for my response. In fact I hadn't read the original post. I'd responded endorsing gparted for his next steps in shuffling stuff around, after he'd solved his problem, at least for now. I guess it was the way the OP posed his next step as an assumed course of action which led me to believe he was only aware of the tool, rather than having some hands on experience with it. ---
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