Second router as wireless ethernet bridge
Here's another project I'm working on that is driving me around the bend. Sorry this is such a long story... A computer in our basement has no wireless, so instead of running a long cable to it, I wanted to put a router beside it and have it connect to that router by ethernet, and then have that router connect to the main one over wireless. No, I did not plug the computer into the WAN port... ;-) I have an old Linksys router WRT54GL v. 1.1 running Tomato 1.28, and my main router, the Buffalo N600 which has DD-WRT. According to about a hundred different howto's it should be very simple. I set the second router to an IP outside the DHCP range of the first, and set also set it to use the first router as gateway and DNS. I also set the SSID and password the same, and also the type of security used. Oh, and obviously I set the second router as 'Wireless Ethernet Bridge'. router 1 is 192.168.11.1, router 2 is 192.168.11.2 both have 255.255.255.0 as subnet mask Router 1 gives out addresses starting at 192.168.11.5 Am I correct in assuming that DHCP broadcasts should be relayed by the second router? In wireless bridge mode it doesn't appear to even have the option of offering DHCP... I noticed that the Buffalo will let you set up a virtual interface, so I tried using that with no security at all. I also found something here: http://www.cnet.com/how-to/reuse-an-old-router-to-bridge-devices-to-your-wir... that said I should set the second router to operate as a router and not as a gateway so I changed that. Still no ping response from google.com :-\ The only thing I can think of is that maybe the firewall settings are wrong on the second router, running Tomato. Respond to ICMP is unchecked, Allow Multicast is unchecked, NAT Loopback is set to Forwarded Only, and Enable SYN cookies is unchecked. Help! -- Thomas Milne
Plug the second router (acting as switch) WAN port to regular port. There should be no WAN Ethernet connected on the second router Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. OpenPGP: 0x1666B6A1 http://xxw.ca/email-public-key/ Email: littlebear@xxw.ca VOIP: (510)-982-6330 Original Message From: Thomas Milne Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 7:10 PM To: GTALUG Reply To: GTALUG Talk Subject: [GTALUG] Second router as wireless ethernet bridge Here's another project I'm working on that is driving me around the bend. Sorry this is such a long story... A computer in our basement has no wireless, so instead of running a long cable to it, I wanted to put a router beside it and have it connect to that router by ethernet, and then have that router connect to the main one over wireless. No, I did not plug the computer into the WAN port... ;-) I have an old Linksys router WRT54GL v. 1.1 running Tomato 1.28, and my main router, the Buffalo N600 which has DD-WRT. According to about a hundred different howto's it should be very simple. I set the second router to an IP outside the DHCP range of the first, and set also set it to use the first router as gateway and DNS. I also set the SSID and password the same, and also the type of security used. Oh, and obviously I set the second router as 'Wireless Ethernet Bridge'. router 1 is 192.168.11.1, router 2 is 192.168.11.2 both have 255.255.255.0 as subnet mask Router 1 gives out addresses starting at 192.168.11.5 Am I correct in assuming that DHCP broadcasts should be relayed by the second router? In wireless bridge mode it doesn't appear to even have the option of offering DHCP... I noticed that the Buffalo will let you set up a virtual interface, so I tried using that with no security at all. I also found something here: http://www.cnet.com/how-to/reuse-an-old-router-to-bridge-devices-to-your-wir... that said I should set the second router to operate as a router and not as a gateway so I changed that. Still no ping response from google.com :-\ The only thing I can think of is that maybe the firewall settings are wrong on the second router, running Tomato. Respond to ICMP is unchecked, Allow Multicast is unchecked, NAT Loopback is set to Forwarded Only, and Enable SYN cookies is unchecked. Help! -- Thomas Milne --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org http://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
I don't think you understood what I am trying to do. The routers will not be physically connected, only over wireless. On Jan 7, 2015 9:19 PM, <littlebear@xxw.ca> wrote:
Plug the second router (acting as switch) WAN port to regular port. There should be no WAN Ethernet connected on the second router
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Here's another project I'm working on that is driving me around the bend.
Sorry this is such a long story...
A computer in our basement has no wireless, so instead of running a long cable to it, I wanted to put a router beside it and have it connect to that router by ethernet, and then have that router connect to the main one over wireless. No, I did not plug the computer into the WAN port... ;-)
I have an old Linksys router WRT54GL v. 1.1 running Tomato 1.28, and my main router, the Buffalo N600 which has DD-WRT.
According to about a hundred different howto's it should be very simple.
I set the second router to an IP outside the DHCP range of the first, and set also set it to use the first router as gateway and DNS. I also set the SSID and password the same, and also the type of security used. Oh, and obviously I set the second router as 'Wireless Ethernet Bridge'.
router 1 is 192.168.11.1, router 2 is 192.168.11.2
both have 255.255.255.0 as subnet mask
Router 1 gives out addresses starting at 192.168.11.5
Am I correct in assuming that DHCP broadcasts should be relayed by the second router? In wireless bridge mode it doesn't appear to even have the option of offering DHCP...
I noticed that the Buffalo will let you set up a virtual interface, so I tried using that with no security at all.
I also found something here:
http://www.cnet.com/how-to/reuse-an-old-router-to-bridge-devices-to-your-wir...
that said I should set the second router to operate as a router and not as a gateway so I changed that.
Still no ping response from google.com :-\
The only thing I can think of is that maybe the firewall settings are wrong on the second router, running Tomato.
Respond to ICMP is unchecked, Allow Multicast is unchecked, NAT Loopback is set to Forwarded Only, and Enable SYN cookies is unchecked.
Help!
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router 1 is 192.168.11.1, router 2 is 192.168.11.2
both have 255.255.255.0 as subnet mask
Router 1 gives out addresses starting at 192.168.11.5
Try giving the basement computer a static IP of 192.168.11.3 with gateway of 192.168.11.2 Make sure that you can ping the basement router Make sure you can access the basement router's control panel Make sure that the basement router has a gateway of 192.168.11.1 Use Open DNS on the basement computer Try to ping an external IP Try to ping a domain -- Stephen
On Jan 7, 2015 9:33 PM, "Stephen" <stephen-d@rogers.com> wrote:
router 1 is 192.168.11.1, router 2 is 192.168.11.2
both have 255.255.255.0 as subnet mask
Router 1 gives out addresses starting at 192.168.11.5
Try giving the basement computer a static IP of 192.168.11.3 with gateway of 192.168.11.2
Well I have my Debian laptop connected to router 2 by ethernet as you describe for admin and testing, so ya I can view the router web interface and ping the router of course also. Neither the laptop, nor the wirelessless (tm) computer can access the internet this way.
Make sure that you can ping the basement router
Make sure you can access the basement router's control panel
Make sure that the basement router has a gateway of 192.168.11.1
Yes
Use Open DNS on the basement computer
Not sure what you mean, sorry. You mean blank, or use OpenDNS, the company? The problem is it can't get past the router it is connected to so...
Try to ping an external IP
Try to ping a domain
Either using gateway of .1 or .2 made no difference at all. No DNS, nothing. I tried 8.8.8.8, host unreachable. Thanks for replying! This is driving me bonkers...router 2 will not communicate with router 1 and I can't see why.
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:05 PM, Thomas Milne <thomas.bruce.milne@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 7, 2015 9:33 PM, "Stephen" <stephen-d@rogers.com> wrote:
router 1 is 192.168.11.1, router 2 is 192.168.11.2
both have 255.255.255.0 as subnet mask
Router 1 gives out addresses starting at 192.168.11.5
Try giving the basement computer a static IP of 192.168.11.3 with gateway of 192.168.11.2
Well I have my Debian laptop connected to router 2 by ethernet as you describe for admin and testing, so ya I can view the router web interface and ping the router of course also.
Neither the laptop, nor the wirelessless (tm) computer can access the internet this way.
Make sure that you can ping the basement router
Make sure you can access the basement router's control panel
Make sure that the basement router has a gateway of 192.168.11.1
Yes
Use Open DNS on the basement computer
Not sure what you mean, sorry. You mean blank, or use OpenDNS, the company? The problem is it can't get past the router it is connected to so...
Try to ping an external IP
Try to ping a domain
Either using gateway of .1 or .2 made no difference at all.
No DNS, nothing. I tried 8.8.8.8, host unreachable.
Thanks for replying! This is driving me bonkers...router 2 will not communicate with router 1 and I can't see why.
Could the problem be that router 1 is dual band? ie. it has two SSID's, one for 2.4 and one for 5 GHz. -- Thomas Milne
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sorry, wasn't thinking when I typed it. Did you try http://lifehacker.com/how-to-extend-your-wi-fi-network-with-an-old-router-91... So 2nd router as as wireless repeater, the channel needs to be different or else they would fight with each other. The SSID shouldn't be the same as per the article. Most mobile devices supports multiple access point profile and they will auto-connect to which ever has greater strength. I'm pretty sure you are looking at http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/article.php/3810281 "Technically, when in client mode, your router can only pass the incoming wireless signal to clients connected to one of the router's LAN ports. To re-broadcast the signal wirelessly, the router would need to be configured as a repeater—unfortunately, Tomato does not yet support repeater mode." http://www.linksysinfo.org/index.php?threads/using-tomato-as-wireless-repeat... I don't have a tomato so I wouldn't know, but I've tested it with 2 DD-WRT, 1 in Primary Gateway (DNS+DHCP) and one acting as wireless repeater and it works for me. On 1/7/2015 9:22 PM, Thomas Milne wrote:
I don't think you understood what I am trying to do. The routers will
not be physically connected, only over wireless.
On Jan 7, 2015 9:19 PM, <littlebear@xxw.ca <mailto:littlebear@xxw.ca>>
wrote:
Plug the second router (acting as switch) WAN port to regular
port. There should be no WAN Ethernet connected on the second router
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Here's another project I'm working on that is driving me around
the bend.
Sorry this is such a long story...
A computer in our basement has no wireless, so instead of running a long cable to it, I wanted to put a router beside it and have it connect to that router by ethernet, and then have that router connect to the main one over wireless. No, I did not plug the computer into the WAN port... ;-)
I have an old Linksys router WRT54GL v. 1.1 running Tomato 1.28, and my main router, the Buffalo N600 which has DD-WRT.
According to about a hundred different howto's it should be very
simple.
I set the second router to an IP outside the DHCP range of the first, and set also set it to use the first router as gateway and DNS. I also set the SSID and password the same, and also the type of security used. Oh, and obviously I set the second router as 'Wireless Ethernet Bridge'.
router 1 is 192.168.11.1, router 2 is 192.168.11.2
both have 255.255.255.0 as subnet mask
Router 1 gives out addresses starting at 192.168.11.5
Am I correct in assuming that DHCP broadcasts should be relayed by the second router? In wireless bridge mode it doesn't appear to even have the option of offering DHCP...
I noticed that the Buffalo will let you set up a virtual interface, so I tried using that with no security at all.
I also found something here:
http://www.cnet.com/how-to/reuse-an-old-router-to-bridge-devices-to-your-wir...
that said I should set the second router to operate as a router and not as a gateway so I changed that.
Still no ping response from google.com <http://google.com> :-\
The only thing I can think of is that maybe the firewall settings are wrong on the second router, running Tomato.
Respond to ICMP is unchecked, Allow Multicast is unchecked, NAT Loopback is set to Forwarded Only, and Enable SYN cookies is unchecked.
Help!
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On Jan 7, 2015 9:43 PM, "Little Bear" <littlebear@xxw.ca> wrote:
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Sorry, wasn't thinking when I typed it. Did you try
http://lifehacker.com/how-to-extend-your-wi-fi-network-with-an-old-router-91...
So 2nd router as as wireless repeater, the channel needs to be different or else they would fight with each other. The SSID shouldn't be the same as per the article. Most mobile devices supports multiple access point profile and they will auto-connect to which ever has greater strength.
I'm pretty sure you are looking at http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/article.php/3810281
"Technically, when in client mode, your router can only pass the incoming wireless signal to clients connected to one of the router's LAN ports. To re-broadcast the signal wirelessly, the router would need to be configured as a repeater—unfortunately, Tomato does not yet support repeater mode."
Well that's exactly what I am doing though. The computer WILL be connected to router 2 by ethernet, as it does not have wireless. If it did, I would not have this problem. I do not want a repeater. I want a bridge :-) That's also why both routers must have same SSID and pass.
http://www.linksysinfo.org/index.php?threads/using-tomato-as-wireless-repeat...
I don't have a tomato so I wouldn't know, but I've tested it with 2 DD-WRT, 1 in Primary Gateway (DNS+DHCP) and one acting as wireless repeater and it works for me. On 1/7/2015 9:22 PM, Thomas Milne wrote:
I don't think you understood what I am trying to do. The routers will
not be physically connected, only over wireless.
On Jan 7, 2015 9:19 PM, <littlebear@xxw.ca <mailto:littlebear@xxw.ca>>
wrote:
Plug the second router (acting as switch) WAN port to regular
port. There should be no WAN Ethernet connected on the second router
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Here's another project I'm working on that is driving me around
the bend.
Sorry this is such a long story...
A computer in our basement has no wireless, so instead of running a long cable to it, I wanted to put a router beside it and have it connect to that router by ethernet, and then have that router
to the main one over wireless. No, I did not plug the computer into the WAN port... ;-)
I have an old Linksys router WRT54GL v. 1.1 running Tomato 1.28, and my main router, the Buffalo N600 which has DD-WRT.
According to about a hundred different howto's it should be very
simple.
I set the second router to an IP outside the DHCP range of the
first,
and set also set it to use the first router as gateway and DNS. I
also
set the SSID and password the same, and also the type of security used. Oh, and obviously I set the second router as 'Wireless
Ethernet
Bridge'.
router 1 is 192.168.11.1, router 2 is 192.168.11.2
both have 255.255.255.0 as subnet mask
Router 1 gives out addresses starting at 192.168.11.5
Am I correct in assuming that DHCP broadcasts should be relayed by
connect the
second router? In wireless bridge mode it doesn't appear to even
have
the option of offering DHCP...
I noticed that the Buffalo will let you set up a virtual interface,
so
I tried using that with no security at all.
I also found something here:
http://www.cnet.com/how-to/reuse-an-old-router-to-bridge-devices-to-your-wir...
that said I should set the second router to operate as a router and not as a gateway so I changed that.
Still no ping response from google.com <http://google.com> :-\
The only thing I can think of is that maybe the firewall settings
are
wrong on the second router, running Tomato.
Respond to ICMP is unchecked, Allow Multicast is unchecked, NAT Loopback is set to Forwarded Only, and Enable SYN cookies is unchecked.
Help!
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On Jan 7, 2015 9:43 PM, "Little Bear" <littlebear@xxw.ca> wrote:
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Sorry, wasn't thinking when I typed it. Did you try
http://lifehacker.com/how-to-extend-your-wi-fi-network-with-an-old-router-91...
So 2nd router as as wireless repeater, the channel needs to be different or else they would fight with each other. The SSID shouldn't be the same as per the article. Most mobile devices supports multiple access point profile and they will auto-connect to which ever has greater strength.
I'm pretty sure you are looking at http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/article.php/3810281
Oh hey now that is interesting. This has given me a clue. I can look in Wireless Survey in the Tomato interface of router 2 and see router 1. So...that is something.
"Technically, when in client mode, your router can only pass the incoming wireless signal to clients connected to one of the router's LAN ports. To re-broadcast the signal wirelessly, the router would need to be configured as a repeater—unfortunately, Tomato does not yet support repeater mode."
http://www.linksysinfo.org/index.php?threads/using-tomato-as-wireless-repeat...
I don't have a tomato so I wouldn't know, but I've tested it with 2 DD-WRT, 1 in Primary Gateway (DNS+DHCP) and one acting as wireless repeater and it works for me. On 1/7/2015 9:22 PM, Thomas Milne wrote:
I don't think you understood what I am trying to do. The routers will
not be physically connected, only over wireless.
On Jan 7, 2015 9:19 PM, <littlebear@xxw.ca <mailto:littlebear@xxw.ca>>
wrote:
Plug the second router (acting as switch) WAN port to regular
port. There should be no WAN Ethernet connected on the second router
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Here's another project I'm working on that is driving me around
the bend.
Sorry this is such a long story...
A computer in our basement has no wireless, so instead of running a long cable to it, I wanted to put a router beside it and have it connect to that router by ethernet, and then have that router
to the main one over wireless. No, I did not plug the computer into the WAN port... ;-)
I have an old Linksys router WRT54GL v. 1.1 running Tomato 1.28, and my main router, the Buffalo N600 which has DD-WRT.
According to about a hundred different howto's it should be very
simple.
I set the second router to an IP outside the DHCP range of the
first,
and set also set it to use the first router as gateway and DNS. I
also
set the SSID and password the same, and also the type of security used. Oh, and obviously I set the second router as 'Wireless
Ethernet
Bridge'.
router 1 is 192.168.11.1, router 2 is 192.168.11.2
both have 255.255.255.0 as subnet mask
Router 1 gives out addresses starting at 192.168.11.5
Am I correct in assuming that DHCP broadcasts should be relayed by
connect the
second router? In wireless bridge mode it doesn't appear to even
have
the option of offering DHCP...
I noticed that the Buffalo will let you set up a virtual interface,
so
I tried using that with no security at all.
I also found something here:
http://www.cnet.com/how-to/reuse-an-old-router-to-bridge-devices-to-your-wir...
that said I should set the second router to operate as a router and not as a gateway so I changed that.
Still no ping response from google.com <http://google.com> :-\
The only thing I can think of is that maybe the firewall settings
are
wrong on the second router, running Tomato.
Respond to ICMP is unchecked, Allow Multicast is unchecked, NAT Loopback is set to Forwarded Only, and Enable SYN cookies is unchecked.
Help!
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Sorry, wasn't thinking when I typed it. Did you try http://lifehacker.com/how-to-extend-your-wi-fi-network-with-an-old-router-91...
So 2nd router as as wireless repeater, the channel needs to be different or else they would fight with each other. The SSID shouldn't be the same as per the article. Most mobile devices supports multiple access point profile and they will auto-connect to which ever has greater strength.
I'm pretty sure you are looking at http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/article.php/3810281
Thank you very much for this link, BTW
"Technically, when in client mode, your router can only pass the incoming wireless signal to clients connected to one of the router's LAN ports. To re-broadcast the signal wirelessly, the router would need to be configured as a repeater—unfortunately, Tomato does not yet support repeater mode."
http://www.linksysinfo.org/index.php?threads/using-tomato-as-wireless-repeat...
I don't have a tomato so I wouldn't know, but I've tested it with 2 DD-WRT, 1 in Primary Gateway (DNS+DHCP) and one acting as wireless repeater and it works for me. On 1/7/2015 9:22 PM, Thomas Milne wrote:
I don't think you understood what I am trying to do. The routers will
not be physically connected, only over wireless.
On Jan 7, 2015 9:19 PM, <littlebear@xxw.ca <mailto:littlebear@xxw.ca>>
wrote:
Plug the second router (acting as switch) WAN port to regular
port. There should be no WAN Ethernet connected on the second router
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Here's another project I'm working on that is driving me around
the bend.
Sorry this is such a long story...
A computer in our basement has no wireless, so instead of running a long cable to it, I wanted to put a router beside it and have it connect to that router by ethernet, and then have that router connect to the main one over wireless. No, I did not plug the computer into the WAN port... ;-)
I have an old Linksys router WRT54GL v. 1.1 running Tomato 1.28, and my main router, the Buffalo N600 which has DD-WRT.
According to about a hundred different howto's it should be very
simple.
I set the second router to an IP outside the DHCP range of the first, and set also set it to use the first router as gateway and DNS. I also set the SSID and password the same, and also the type of security used. Oh, and obviously I set the second router as 'Wireless Ethernet Bridge'.
router 1 is 192.168.11.1, router 2 is 192.168.11.2
both have 255.255.255.0 as subnet mask
Router 1 gives out addresses starting at 192.168.11.5
Am I correct in assuming that DHCP broadcasts should be relayed by the second router? In wireless bridge mode it doesn't appear to even have the option of offering DHCP...
I noticed that the Buffalo will let you set up a virtual interface, so I tried using that with no security at all.
I also found something here:
http://www.cnet.com/how-to/reuse-an-old-router-to-bridge-devices-to-your-wir...
that said I should set the second router to operate as a router and not as a gateway so I changed that.
Still no ping response from google.com <http://google.com> :-\
The only thing I can think of is that maybe the firewall settings are wrong on the second router, running Tomato.
Respond to ICMP is unchecked, Allow Multicast is unchecked, NAT Loopback is set to Forwarded Only, and Enable SYN cookies is unchecked.
Help!
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On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:43 PM, Little Bear <littlebear@xxw.ca> wrote:
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Sorry, wasn't thinking when I typed it. Did you try http://lifehacker.com/how-to-extend-your-wi-fi-network-with-an-old-router-91...
So 2nd router as as wireless repeater, the channel needs to be different or else they would fight with each other. The SSID shouldn't be the same as per the article. Most mobile devices supports multiple access point profile and they will auto-connect to which ever has greater strength.
I'm pretty sure you are looking at http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/article.php/3810281
Oh, my gosh I am so sorry to everyone. I have been neglecting to snip and when I went to do it the last message instead of backspace I hit something else and sent with all the accompanying stuff that I intended to snip. It is not entirely my fault...top posting...and so on ;) This is just to show that I do in fact know how to snip. Good night for now -- Thomas Milne
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:50 PM, Thomas Milne <thomas.bruce.milne@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:43 PM, Little Bear <littlebear@xxw.ca> wrote:
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Sorry, wasn't thinking when I typed it. Did you try http://lifehacker.com/how-to-extend-your-wi-fi-network-with-an-old-router-91...
So 2nd router as as wireless repeater, the channel needs to be different or else they would fight with each other. The SSID shouldn't be the same as per the article. Most mobile devices supports multiple access point profile and they will auto-connect to which ever has greater strength.
I'm pretty sure you are looking at http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/article.php/3810281
Oh, my gosh I am so sorry to everyone. I have been neglecting to snip and when I went to do it the last message instead of backspace I hit something else and sent with all the accompanying stuff that I intended to snip.
It is not entirely my fault...top posting...and so on ;)
This is just to show that I do in fact know how to snip.
Good night for now
Couldn't let it go. Okay so without any security enabled it works. Really really well in fact, I'm getting full speed down here. I will continue fiddling with it until it breaks again, of course. -- Thomas Milne
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Thomas Milne <thomas.bruce.milne@gmail.com> wrote:
Here's another project I'm working on that is driving me around the bend.
Sorry this is such a long story...
A computer in our basement has no wireless, so instead of running a long cable to it, I wanted to put a router beside it and have it connect to that router by ethernet, and then have that router connect to the main one over wireless. No, I did not plug the computer into the WAN port... ;-)
I have an old Linksys router WRT54GL v. 1.1 running Tomato 1.28, and my main router, the Buffalo N600 which has DD-WRT.
According to about a hundred different howto's it should be very simple.
I set the second router to an IP outside the DHCP range of the first, and set also set it to use the first router as gateway and DNS. I also set the SSID and password the same, and also the type of security used. Oh, and obviously I set the second router as 'Wireless Ethernet Bridge'.
router 1 is 192.168.11.1, router 2 is 192.168.11.2
both have 255.255.255.0 as subnet mask
Router 1 gives out addresses starting at 192.168.11.5
Am I correct in assuming that DHCP broadcasts should be relayed by the second router? In wireless bridge mode it doesn't appear to even have the option of offering DHCP...
I noticed that the Buffalo will let you set up a virtual interface, so I tried using that with no security at all.
I also found something here:
http://www.cnet.com/how-to/reuse-an-old-router-to-bridge-devices-to-your-wir...
that said I should set the second router to operate as a router and not as a gateway so I changed that.
Still no ping response from google.com :-\
The only thing I can think of is that maybe the firewall settings are wrong on the second router, running Tomato.
Respond to ICMP is unchecked, Allow Multicast is unchecked, NAT Loopback is set to Forwarded Only, and Enable SYN cookies is unchecked.
Help!
Oh, I should also say I set both routers to use the same wireless network mode, G. Some howtos said they had to uses the same channel, some said different channel. I have tried both. I also tried setting the second router as gateway, not router, because of this: http://www.cyberciti.biz/networking/howto-connect-two-wireless-router-wirele... which at least was using a Tomato router so most of it had the same options. It's very hard when there are so many conflicting instructions :-/ -- Thomas Milne
On Wed, Jan 07, 2015 at 07:10:09PM -0500, Thomas Milne wrote:
Here's another project I'm working on that is driving me around the bend.
Sorry this is such a long story...
A computer in our basement has no wireless, so instead of running a long cable to it, I wanted to put a router beside it and have it connect to that router by ethernet, and then have that router connect to the main one over wireless. No, I did not plug the computer into the WAN port... ;-)
I have an old Linksys router WRT54GL v. 1.1 running Tomato 1.28, and my main router, the Buffalo N600 which has DD-WRT.
According to about a hundred different howto's it should be very simple.
I set the second router to an IP outside the DHCP range of the first, and set also set it to use the first router as gateway and DNS. I also set the SSID and password the same, and also the type of security used. Oh, and obviously I set the second router as 'Wireless Ethernet Bridge'.
router 1 is 192.168.11.1, router 2 is 192.168.11.2
both have 255.255.255.0 as subnet mask
Router 1 gives out addresses starting at 192.168.11.5
Am I correct in assuming that DHCP broadcasts should be relayed by the second router? In wireless bridge mode it doesn't appear to even have the option of offering DHCP...
I noticed that the Buffalo will let you set up a virtual interface, so I tried using that with no security at all.
I also found something here:
http://www.cnet.com/how-to/reuse-an-old-router-to-bridge-devices-to-your-wir...
that said I should set the second router to operate as a router and not as a gateway so I changed that.
Still no ping response from google.com :-\
The only thing I can think of is that maybe the firewall settings are wrong on the second router, running Tomato.
Respond to ICMP is unchecked, Allow Multicast is unchecked, NAT Loopback is set to Forwarded Only, and Enable SYN cookies is unchecked.
If you set the second router into wireless ethernet bridge mode (not wireless client mode), then dhcp requests should just pass through to the dhcp server on the main router that is the wifi access point. The second router should not have any firewall or anything like that enabled. It is purely a wired to wireless ethernet bridge and should not be getting involved in the actual packets anymore. -- Len Sorensen
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Lennart Sorensen <lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
If you set the second router into wireless ethernet bridge mode (not wireless client mode), then dhcp requests should just pass through to the dhcp server on the main router that is the wifi access point.
The second router should not have any firewall or anything like that enabled. It is purely a wired to wireless ethernet bridge and should not be getting involved in the actual packets anymore.
Not every device supports this mode though: you need to be able to use 4-address framing at the wireless level, so that the source address on the ethernet segment is preserved (see: http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto/clientmode) If you happen to have ath9k on board, you can use 802.11s for this kind of thing: run both a mesh and AP interface on each access point and join them with the mesh interface. Then, your clients can connect to either AP and even roam between them based on RSSI or whatever. 11s is designed to make all the participants look like they are on the same LAN so DHCP etc. will work across it and you don't have to run separate IP networks. (I work on 802.11s in Linux.) -- Bob Copeland %% www.bobcopeland.com
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Bob Copeland <bcopeland@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Lennart Sorensen <lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
If you set the second router into wireless ethernet bridge mode (not wireless client mode), then dhcp requests should just pass through to the dhcp server on the main router that is the wifi access point.
The second router should not have any firewall or anything like that enabled. It is purely a wired to wireless ethernet bridge and should not be getting involved in the actual packets anymore.
Not every device supports this mode though: you need to be able to use 4-address framing at the wireless level, so that the source address on the ethernet segment is preserved (see: http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto/clientmode)
If you happen to have ath9k on board, you can use 802.11s for this kind of thing: run both a mesh and AP interface on each access point and join them with the mesh interface. Then, your clients can connect to either AP and even roam between them based on RSSI or whatever. 11s is designed to make all the participants look like they are on the same LAN so DHCP etc. will work across it and you don't have to run separate IP networks.
(I work on 802.11s in Linux.)
Embarrassingly, I understand very little of that...however, it is working. The computer has internet, and everyone can see each other on the network. The only limitation is security. It only works with WPA and AES, no WPA2 or TKIP enabled on either router. I suppose my neck is exposed security wise? I never needed anyone to connect wirelessly to the second router. The signal from the main router, the Buffalo N600, is amazing, it covers the entire house. Actually, as I understood it, the second router would not even be offering wireless connectivity to devices in Wireless Bridge Mode. -- Thomas Milne
Embarrassingly, I understand very little of that...however, it is working. The computer has internet, and everyone can see each other on the network. The only limitation is security. It only works with WPA and AES, no WPA2 or TKIP enabled on either router. I suppose my neck is exposed security wise?
WPA/AES-CCMP should be OK for most purposes. Honestly I'm not really sure what Tomato is doing for "Wireless bridge mode," a quick google didn't turn up an answer. It would be interesting to see some wireless frame captures from the setup. If it's doing some WDS 4-address mode, then that's great. If not, you may have some problems reaching some machines behind the client router. Sounds like "Wireless client mode" is running two different IP networks and routing at layer 3 between them (i.e. the network behind the client router would be on its own subnet compared from the AP network). This mode will work with any AP.
I never needed anyone to connect wirelessly to the second router. The signal from the main router, the Buffalo N600, is amazing, it covers the entire house. Actually, as I understood it, the second router would not even be offering wireless connectivity to devices in Wireless Bridge Mode.
Yes, this is something 'extra' that mesh could offer (if you wanted -- you can also just bridge the wireless traffic onto an ethernet LAN like you are doing, without running a second AP). Mesh also has some better encryption facilities built in. But, I'd say having an AP that supports mesh is highly unlikely unless you put openwrt on it yourself and the hardware is Atheros-based. -- Bob Copeland %% www.bobcopeland.com
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Bob Copeland <bcopeland@gmail.com> wrote:
Embarrassingly, I understand very little of that...however, it is working. The computer has internet, and everyone can see each other on the network. The only limitation is security. It only works with WPA and AES, no WPA2 or TKIP enabled on either router. I suppose my neck is exposed security wise?
WPA/AES-CCMP should be OK for most purposes.
Okay good to know, thanks.
Honestly I'm not really sure what Tomato is doing for "Wireless bridge mode," a quick google didn't turn up an answer. It would be interesting to see some wireless frame captures from the setup. If
I'm going to google how to do that.
it's doing some WDS 4-address mode, then that's great. If not, you may have some problems reaching some machines behind the client router.
Funny you should say that. The one computer I wanted to connect using the bridge is running Windows 7 Home Premium. It's strictly for Steam games that just won't run well under emulation and so on. Anyhow, like all Windows machines I've ever used, it is an absolute nightmare as far as networking. Even when it was connected directly to the primary network by an ethernet cable it would not let me access any SMB shares or access my Chromecast. It still won't. Of course every other device or computer, running Mac, Linux, Android or iOS will see and access the shares just fine, over wireless or ethernet. I actually tried using WDS to no avail. Now that I know the security mode may have been the hindrance I might give that a try again. Maybe Windows will like that better. I'm not holding my breath.
Sounds like "Wireless client mode" is running two different IP networks and routing at layer 3 between them (i.e. the network behind the client router would be on its own subnet compared from the AP network). This mode will work with any AP.
I never needed anyone to connect wirelessly to the second router. The signal from the main router, the Buffalo N600, is amazing, it covers the entire house. Actually, as I understood it, the second router would not even be offering wireless connectivity to devices in Wireless Bridge Mode.
Yes, this is something 'extra' that mesh could offer (if you wanted -- you can also just bridge the wireless traffic onto an ethernet LAN like you are doing, without running a second AP). Mesh also has some better encryption facilities built in. But, I'd say having an AP that supports mesh is highly unlikely unless you put openwrt on it yourself and the hardware is Atheros-based.
Ya I kinda like it the way it is. The less Windows can access my network the less harm it can do. It is good for modding and playing Fallout, that's it :-) I'm curious tho, how would I bridge wireless to ethernet without a second router? Wouldn't I need some sort of separate device? -- Thomas Milne
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Thomas Milne <thomas.bruce.milne@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm curious tho, how would I bridge wireless to ethernet without a second router? Wouldn't I need some sort of separate device?
Sorry for the confusion, I meant "AP" as in the access point service, not the AP/wireless hardware itself, which, of course, you would need. -- Bob Copeland %% www.bobcopeland.com
On Jan 8, 2015 5:11 PM, "Bob Copeland" <me@bobcopeland.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Thomas Milne <thomas.bruce.milne@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm curious tho, how would I bridge wireless to ethernet without a second router? Wouldn't I need some sort of separate device?
Sorry for the confusion, I meant "AP" as in the access point service, not the AP/wireless hardware itself, which, of course, you would need.
Oh hahaha OK I was thinking what can accomplish this sorcery??
On 15-01-07 07:10 PM, Thomas Milne wrote:
A computer in our basement has no wireless, so instead of running a long cable to it, I wanted to put a router beside it and have it connect to that router by ethernet, and then have that router connect to the main one over wireless.
Are you wanting to use a second router because you already had one on hand? I would have thought it a lot easier to just pick up another WiFi adapter for the machine in the basement. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful!" #include <disclaimer/favourite> | --Chris Hardwick
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Kevin Cozens <kevin@ve3syb.ca> wrote:
On 15-01-07 07:10 PM, Thomas Milne wrote:
A computer in our basement has no wireless, so instead of running a long cable to it, I wanted to put a router beside it and have it connect to that router by ethernet, and then have that router connect to the main one over wireless.
Are you wanting to use a second router because you already had one on hand? I would have thought it a lot easier to just pick up another WiFi adapter for the machine in the basement.
Of course, yes. Also, this will let me connect a few more devices should the need ever arise. I keep thinking our home is at the saturation point for devices, but, you know... This old Linksys has been very very useful on a number of occasions. When we go on family trips we sometimes bring the Playstation for rainy days and I can even access PSN and Netflix on hotel networks that try and block it. -- Thomas Milne
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