Thanks! I had looked for glassdoor.in. That didn't exist, but I was offered a chance to buy it (;-)) I later heard that the company wasn't liked by its employees, so I was lucky! --dave On 12/16/24 16:54, Don Tai wrote:

Job descriptions are often not even close to what the hiring manager actually wants. Then there is the cynical view that the job was already spoken for, but the company put out a job ad to satisfy legal requirements. glassdoor.co.in <http://glassdoor.co.in> does exist

On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 at 16:46, David Collier-Brown via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:

I applied for a position that fit me to a tee on Saturday, hoping to be near the front of the line. It seems I was: I got a rejection letter at 5:30 AM Monday.

I suspect there were no humans involved, unless Glassdoor has an India office (they're don't list one, and they're based in California).

--dave

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On 12/16/24 17:29, Lennart Sorensen wrote:

I even remember a manager at a previous job who told HR he did not want them to filter resumes anymore for him because they were doing a shit job at it.

At a previous job I did all the co-op student reviews and sat in on the interviews. That was because the HR head was a friend, and complained her regular folks couldn't understand a word the kids said. --dave -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest davecb@spamcop.net | -- Mark Twain

Now that I'm between jobs, I got rejected in 12 hours last month. ;-) I'm pretty sure it was "keyword scan bot". I'm currently using Indeed and LinkedIn. They both seem to have similar listing. -- On 2024-12-16 17:47, Howard Gibson via talk wrote:

On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 16:45:54 -0500 David Collier-Brown via talk <talk@gtalug.org> wrote:

...

I applied for a position that fit me to a tee on Saturday, hoping to be near the front of the line. It seems I was: I got a rejection letter at 5:30 AM Monday.

I suspect there were no humans involved, unless Glassdoor has an India office (they're don't list one, and they're based in California).

David,

A couple of years ago, I applied to a job ad asking for "CAD Ninja". I am a mechanical designer. I got a response and we bounced emails back and forth. At some point, he warned me that they were paying $40-50K. I replied to him stating that "CAD Ninjas" don't work for that kind of money. I diplomatically pointed out that with 3D parametric CAD like SolidWorks, there are fifteen ways to do anything, twelve of which are wrong. My undiplomatic rant is that 3D CAD is not the least bit idiot resistant. Don't hire idiots. Maybe your guy will be smart enough to turn the computer on somehow. A few months later, he replied and I got an interview. It appears that their "CAD Ninja" was not working out. I did not get the job.

In my most recent job search, Indeed.com got most of my interviews.

On 12/17/24 10:33, Howard Gibson via talk wrote:

When I was laid off in 2017, they had us sit down with job search consultants, who re-wrote all of our resumes. Your resume has to get past ATS software, which is a pain. I have always assume that if you are too dumb to write your own resume, you are too dumb to take on a professional position.

The problem with those consultants is the next one will claim your resume is now all wrong. Been there, done that!  I have also come across buzz word HR filters and even one HR type who mistook the name of a company I had done some work for, for the name of a software package I had never heard of.

I have a little section called "keywords" at the very bottom of my resume, for the convenience of the scanners we used at zylog, who owned brainhunter. --dave On 12/17/24 11:13, William Park via talk wrote:

Yeah, hard part is getting past the scanner.  They have so many applications.  They aren't going to read them all.

I include both cover letter and resume in one PDF in my application. Cover letter is where I use the same/similar keywords as in the job posts.  Resume is pretty much static.

You have to get the a human being.  Eg. You see "robotic" a lot. But, if you really drill down, you have "local" robotic task, and you have "external" integration with outside system.  So, a human being will be looking for fundamentals, like network skills, reading/writing API, server/client expertise, etc.  But, a scanner will be looking for robotic vision, machine learning, AI, etc.

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Two of my recent companies have preferentially /looked/ for old guys. A different one, based in New York screamed in fear, until they found out that they didn't have to buy me health insurance. They literally didn't know that the entire rest of the world doesn't soak the employer (;-)) I figure I win about as much as I lose in the recruiting sweepstakes. --dave On 12/17/24 13:35, Alvin Starr via talk wrote:

Have you considered that you may have been tagged as an old white guy.

On 2024-12-17 12:42, David Collier-Brown via talk wrote:

...

I have a little section called "keywords" at the very bottom of my resume, for the convenience of the scanners we used at zylog, who owned brainhunter.

--dave

On 12/17/24 11:13, William Park via talk wrote:

...

Yeah, hard part is getting past the scanner.  They have so many applications.  They aren't going to read them all.

I include both cover letter and resume in one PDF in my application. Cover letter is where I use the same/similar keywords as in the job posts.  Resume is pretty much static.

You have to get the a human being.  Eg. You see "robotic" a lot. But, if you really drill down, you have "local" robotic task, and you have "external" integration with outside system.  So, a human being will be looking for fundamentals, like network skills, reading/writing API, server/client expertise, etc.  But, a scanner will be looking for robotic vision, machine learning, AI, etc.

-- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest davecb@spamcop.net | -- Mark Twain