Re: [GTALUG] [offtopic] Global telenetworking
Hi Evan. Why not get more camp involvement? I think the telenetworking initiative may be more successful if the camp is involved, drives, and buys-into the entire life cycle especially the front-end (e.g. positioning, marketing, sales, presentations, music, speeches, videos, etc.) Ie Raw camp led initiatives may reach people in a way that polished initiatives can not reach people . If timed properly (following housing, food, water, sewage, medical, internal governance, mail) such initiatives might reduce internal crime, vandalism, conflict, etc and provide the entire camp with opportunities and hope. Brent From: Evan Leibovitch Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 21:58 To: GTALUG Talk Reply To: GTALUG Talk Subject: [GTALUG] [offtopic] Global telenetworking Greetings from the GTALUG Geneva bureau. (The "G" does stand for "greater", doesn't it?) I have a question deriving from my current task at hand, and I'm wondering if anyone here can help. Does anyone have any information, lists, research, etc on what companies hire or contract teleworkers (ie, people not required to be physically present at the office to do the work)? This is different from telecommuting, where you have a local job but can work from home. I mean companies that are into hiring software developers, customer service reps, etc from other countries. (in my context, I'm specifically looking for those willing to hire talented people working out of refugee camps who are, for various reasons, bound to their current locations.) Any help at all, directly or to pointers, is appreciated. Apologies to those who realize this isn't Linux specific. Thanks! -- Evan Leibovitch Geneva, CH Em: evan at telly dot org or leibovit at unhcr dot org Sk: evanleibovitch Tw: el56 THIS MESSAGE IS FOR THE USE OF THE INTENDED RECIPIENT(S) ONLY AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, PROPRIETARY, CONFIDENTIAL, AND/OR EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER ANY RELEVANT PRIVACY LEGISLATION. No rights to any privilege have been waived. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, copying, conversion to hard copy, taking of action in reliance on or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this message in error, please notify me by return e-mail and delete or destroy all copies of this message.
On 26/06/2015 8:37 AM, Brent Kimberley wrote: ...
If timed properly (following housing, food, water, sewage, medical, internal governance, mail) such initiatives might reduce internal crime, vandalism, conflict, etc and provide the entire camp with opportunities and hope.
Lumping these problems with food, water and basic essentials risk making the problem unmanageably complex. I expect given Evan's background, he's focusing on the areas where he can make the most impact. There are people who are talented contractors who would normally be knowledge workers outside the camp, who's skills aren't being used and risk irrelevance while they're stuck there. Evan, does that sum up your target audience for this? If I were looking for info on this, I would seriously consider doing some lightning talks in the European FOSS and hacker conference circuits. Lots of European hackers play with the digital nomad lifestyle and might be able to help. It's hard to know how it would be received. I would expect that you're likely to get a lot of good names and good volunteers, some who may have lived through the experience. The Chaos Camp is on this year near Berlin. Let me know if you head out there, I might be in the neighbourhood :-) Another spot to ask might be Telcom Sans Frontieres, they may have people who have insight into local talent during crisis. I expect you probably already bent their ears though. I have a friend who may have contacts there. Other than the above $.02, I'm clueless on the subject. Mike
Sorry. This was intended to be a private email to Evan. (In hindsight, it appears that Evan's email mapped back to the list.) Cheers Brent Original Message From: Mike Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 09:29 To: talk@gtalug.org Reply To: GTALUG Talk Subject: Re: [GTALUG] [offtopic] Global telenetworking On 26/06/2015 8:37 AM, Brent Kimberley wrote: ...
If timed properly (following housing, food, water, sewage, medical, internal governance, mail) such initiatives might reduce internal crime, vandalism, conflict, etc and provide the entire camp with opportunities and hope.
Lumping these problems with food, water and basic essentials risk making the problem unmanageably complex. I expect given Evan's background, he's focusing on the areas where he can make the most impact. There are people who are talented contractors who would normally be knowledge workers outside the camp, who's skills aren't being used and risk irrelevance while they're stuck there. Evan, does that sum up your target audience for this? If I were looking for info on this, I would seriously consider doing some lightning talks in the European FOSS and hacker conference circuits. Lots of European hackers play with the digital nomad lifestyle and might be able to help. It's hard to know how it would be received. I would expect that you're likely to get a lot of good names and good volunteers, some who may have lived through the experience. The Chaos Camp is on this year near Berlin. Let me know if you head out there, I might be in the neighbourhood :-) Another spot to ask might be Telcom Sans Frontieres, they may have people who have insight into local talent during crisis. I expect you probably already bent their ears though. I have a friend who may have contacts there. Other than the above $.02, I'm clueless on the subject. Mike --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org http://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk THIS MESSAGE IS FOR THE USE OF THE INTENDED RECIPIENT(S) ONLY AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, PROPRIETARY, CONFIDENTIAL, AND/OR EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER ANY RELEVANT PRIVACY LEGISLATION. No rights to any privilege have been waived. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, copying, conversion to hard copy, taking of action in reliance on or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this message in error, please notify me by return e-mail and delete or destroy all copies of this message.
I get plenty of private mail so I don't know what happened to Brent's. I really don't want to get too far afield, and I appreciate all the tips and pointers from those who did answer my question helpfully. I won't have the bandwidth to offer many more answers. But there is one comment to be made. Brent's "help" hasn't hasn't been helpful at all, and I am replying publicly because there are lessons within. I asked for assistance with A and get in return volunteer advice on B; that seems to happen often in Linux forums. But in this case, the advice was grounded in assumptions (ie, about crime and vandalism) that are baseless and borderline racist. Refugee settlements are not ethnic ghettos. They mix colours, tribes and religions, generally in peace. What their residents share, for the most part, is having been through absolute hell; for some of them the choice was "live in a community or die alone". They have every reason to be bitter, angry or resigned, but those I met were none of that. That's not to say all is well. There was a hanging one morning during the time I was at the settlement; the victim was identified as a spy for a government that people were running away from, and not a resident of the settlement. I saw the body after it was cut down; I was told this was not a common occurrence. Nothing that I or any other do-gooder helper can do is going to eliminate THAT kind of conflict through rich-world "community building" exercises. Based on what I saw, people running away from atrocity can sometimes teach us more about community and cohesion and sharing than we could ever teach them. (I heard the word "Ubuntu" used in context that had nothing to do with Linux.) So... if you didn't have advice for what I asked, that's cool, it was a fairly specialized request. But please, think twice before using the request to indulge in gratuitous "why don't we just...." commentary. It's an unhelpful distraction that betrays bias more than it offers help. On 26 June 2015 at 15:53, Brent Kimberley <Brent.Kimberley@durham.ca> wrote:
Sorry. This was intended to be a private email to Evan. (In hindsight, it appears that Evan's email mapped back to the list.)
Cheers Brent
Original Message From: Mike Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 09:29 To: talk@gtalug.org Reply To: GTALUG Talk Subject: Re: [GTALUG] [offtopic] Global telenetworking
On 26/06/2015 8:37 AM, Brent Kimberley wrote: ...
If timed properly (following housing, food, water, sewage, medical, internal governance, mail) such initiatives might reduce internal crime, vandalism, conflict, etc and provide the entire camp with opportunities and hope.
Lumping these problems with food, water and basic essentials risk making the problem unmanageably complex. I expect given Evan's background, he's focusing on the areas where he can make the most impact.
There are people who are talented contractors who would normally be knowledge workers outside the camp, who's skills aren't being used and risk irrelevance while they're stuck there.
Evan, does that sum up your target audience for this?
If I were looking for info on this, I would seriously consider doing some lightning talks in the European FOSS and hacker conference circuits. Lots of European hackers play with the digital nomad lifestyle and might be able to help. It's hard to know how it would be received. I would expect that you're likely to get a lot of good names and good volunteers, some who may have lived through the experience. The Chaos Camp is on this year near Berlin. Let me know if you head out there, I might be in the neighbourhood :-)
Another spot to ask might be Telcom Sans Frontieres, they may have people who have insight into local talent during crisis. I expect you probably already bent their ears though. I have a friend who may have contacts there.
Other than the above $.02, I'm clueless on the subject.
Mike --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org http://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk THIS MESSAGE IS FOR THE USE OF THE INTENDED RECIPIENT(S) ONLY AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, PROPRIETARY, CONFIDENTIAL, AND/OR EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER ANY RELEVANT PRIVACY LEGISLATION. No rights to any privilege have been waived. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, copying, conversion to hard copy, taking of action in reliance on or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this message in error, please notify me by return e-mail and delete or destroy all copies of this message. --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org http://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
-- Evan Leibovitch Geneva, CH Em: evan at telly dot org Sk: evanleibovitch Tw: el56
On Jun 26, 2015 2:29 PM, "Evan Leibovitch" <evan@telly.org> wrote:
I get plenty of private mail so I don't know what happened to Brent's.
I really don't want to get too far afield, and I appreciate all the tips
and pointers from those who did answer my question helpfully. I won't have the bandwidth to offer many more answers. But there is one comment to be made.
Brent's "help" hasn't hasn't been helpful at all, and I am replying
publicly because there are lessons within. I asked for assistance with A and get in return volunteer advice on B; that seems to happen often in Linux forums. But in this case, the advice was grounded in assumptions (ie, about crime and vandalism) that are baseless and borderline racist. Re-read the thread from the beginning. Where exactly are the assumptions about crime and vandalism except in casual relation to the dynamics of a life in conflict. Most especially point out just exactly the borderline racisim is in that thread. His thread was modern slavery which is about abuse of dominance and creating a culture of hope therein.
Refugee settlements are not ethnic ghettos. They mix colours, tribes and
<snip the ghetto stuff> So... if you didn't have advice for what I asked, that's cool, it was a fairly specialized request. But please, think twice before using the request to indulge in gratuitous "why don't we just...." commentary. It's an unhelpful distraction that betrays bias more than it offers help. You bashed the guy with your UN creds, while fishing for more specialized information for your own needs and now do it again in this email by alluding to nonexistent borderline racism. Gotta hand it to you that's real chutzpah.
On 26 June 2015 at 15:53, Brent Kimberley <Brent.Kimberley@durham.ca>
Sorry. This was intended to be a private email to Evan. (In
hindsight, it appears that Evan's email mapped back to the list.)
Cheers Brent
Original Message From: Mike Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 09:29 To: talk@gtalug.org Reply To: GTALUG Talk Subject: Re: [GTALUG] [offtopic] Global telenetworking
On 26/06/2015 8:37 AM, Brent Kimberley wrote: ...
If timed properly (following housing, food, water, sewage, medical, internal governance, mail) such initiatives might reduce internal
crime,
vandalism, conflict, etc and provide the entire camp with opportunities and hope.
Lumping these problems with food, water and basic essentials risk making the problem unmanageably complex. I expect given Evan's background, he's focusing on the areas where he can make the most impact.
There are people who are talented contractors who would normally be knowledge workers outside the camp, who's skills aren't being used and risk irrelevance while they're stuck there.
Evan, does that sum up your target audience for this?
If I were looking for info on this, I would seriously consider doing some lightning talks in the European FOSS and hacker conference circuits. Lots of European hackers play with the digital nomad lifestyle and might be able to help. It's hard to know how it would be received. I would expect that you're likely to get a lot of good names and good volunteers, some who may have lived through the experience. The Chaos Camp is on this year near Berlin. Let me know if you head out there, I might be in the neighbourhood :-)
Another spot to ask might be Telcom Sans Frontieres, they may have people who have insight into local talent during crisis. I expect you probably already bent their ears though. I have a friend who may have contacts there.
Other than the above $.02, I'm clueless on the subject.
Mike --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org http://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk THIS MESSAGE IS FOR THE USE OF THE INTENDED RECIPIENT(S) ONLY AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, PROPRIETARY, CONFIDENTIAL, AND/OR EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER ANY RELEVANT PRIVACY LEGISLATION. No rights to any privilege have been waived. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, copying, conversion to hard copy, taking of action in reliance on or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this message in error,
wrote: please notify me by return e-mail and delete or destroy all copies of this message.
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-- Evan Leibovitch Geneva, CH
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On 26 June 2015 at 14:28, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> wrote:
I get plenty of private mail so I don't know what happened to Brent's.
On 26 June 2015 at 15:53, Brent Kimberley <Brent.Kimberley@durham.ca> wrote:
Sorry. This was intended to be a private email to Evan. (In hindsight, it appears that Evan's email mapped back to the list.)
I think it has to do with the fact that emails sent to the list retain the "from:" of the original sender but have a "reply-to:" to the mailing list. So it depends on the UI used for emails, but it's pretty easy to hit "reply" to an email from the mailing list and think you're making a private reply when it actually sends the email to the mailing list. I think I may have done that myself... ;)
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